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One former teacher's opinion/testimony on teaching Gen Z

Torn Mind said:
Interesting to listen to, although her experience is probably limited to one district.
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"Limited to one district??" 🙄

Her video sounds exactly like the explanations given by both my teacher-friends as to why they made career-changes.

Why would any sane person choose to be a public school teacher in America?
 
Captante said:
"Limited to one district??" 🙄

Her video sounds exactly like the explanations given by both my teacher-friends as to why they made career-changes.

Why would any sane person choose to be a public school teacher in America?
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I don't have teacher friends. I'm just basically covering my own ass in case someone says "I don't know anything, here is a counterexample." 😉
 
This is something that has been growing slowly and slowly generation after generation. It's not a Gen-Z thing, it's a society thing. It's simply reached a peak level where idiots are JUST NOW starting to see it.


You know, kinda like how single parenthood has slowly been creeping up to its now record levels. You would think that MIGHT just play a factor in respecting authority? Well, no shit Sherlock.
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Just like having little middle-schoolers with smart phones on social media at an early age plays a factor.

People just stop taking accountability. People stop having shame in looking like a failure, or impeding others. We give everyone a trophy even when you're a loser.



All of these things play factors into things. It's not any 1 thing - but a plethora of things that I would simply roll-up to "an unhealthy society"
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
This is something that has been growing slowly and slowly generation after generation. It's not a Gen-Z thing, it's a society thing. It's simply reached a peak level where idiots are JUST NOW starting to see it.


You know, kinda like how single parenthood has slowly been creeping up to its now record levels. You would think that MIGHT just play a factor in respecting authority? Well, no shit Sherlock.
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Just like having little middle-schoolers with smart phones on social media at an early age plays a factor.

People just stop taking accountability. People stop having shame in looking like a failure, or impeding others. We give everyone a trophy even when you're a loser.



All of these things play factors into things. It's not any 1 thing - but a plethora of things that I would simply roll-up to "an unhealthy society"
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I hardly would correlate marriage and unwed birth to lack of respect. This also completely ignores the idea that marriage is no longer the socially necessary thing to do - plenty of couples are in long term relationships and do not get married because realistically the concept of it is hardly necessary any longer.
 
deadlyapp said:
I hardly would correlate marriage and unwed birth to lack of respect. This also completely ignores the idea that marriage is no longer the socially necessary thing to do - plenty of couples are in long term relationships and do not get married because realistically the concept of it is hardly necessary any longer.
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Uhhhhh, wut? Are you under a rock on this subject?

There's plenty of stats out there to show that having a 2 parent household is essential to healthy living lol. Everything from grades to high correlation (I believe over 80%?) with those that do acts like school shootings.

Are there outliers? Yeah sure, but I'll just theorize those are probably people that get divorced and are rich enough for it not impact the overall household.

There is no question: A 2-Parent household is better and has a VERY LARGE impact on the outcome of kids.
 
deadlyapp said:
I hardly would correlate marriage and unwed birth to lack of respect. This also completely ignores the idea that marriage is no longer the socially necessary thing to do - plenty of couples are in long term relationships and do not get married because realistically the concept of it is hardly necessary any longer.
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Don't need to be married to have two involved parents.

Interestingly, young elephant males without an elder behave far more aggressively than those who get "disciplined" by a old male.
Thankfully, my mom was a rather harmonious, gave total care and sacrifice sort of parent. She also is a master of well...whatever the home equivalent of filibustering is.

With that said, even the single parent thing is superficial matter.

The gist I seem to be getting is that the "gradeseekers" in class are now parents and they've done what they did as students to their teachers now to their kids' teachers.

Not everyone is internally motivated for school. The concern to assist those who tend to fall behind with a more forgiving and "thorough" system winds up being a "don't need to pass shit until the very last chance" sort of deal.

I was a weird guy, because when the gradeseekers bitched...I sided with the teacher's plight even though I also was a student. Because I was one those "I do want to learn and master this shit" kind of guy.

The cohort doesn't care. Their parents are more interested in keeping them in a sort of spoiled happiness. Meanwhile, the administrations are so concerned with "helping" the disadvantaged populations that they embraced a system without realizing how the students will take advantage of the system. So these three forces put teachers into a checkmate where nothing can be done.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Uhhhhh, wut? Are you under a rock on this subject?

There's plenty of stats out there to show that having a 2 parent household is essential to healthy living lol. Everything from grades to high correlation (I believe over 80%?) with those that do acts like school shootings.

Are there outliers? Yeah sure, but I'll just theorize those are probably people that get divorced and are rich enough for it not impact the overall household.

There is no question: A 2-Parent household is better and has a VERY LARGE impact on the outcome of kids.
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I guess my point was that marriage alone is not an indicator, cohabitating partners etc exist without marriage. That's probably the easiest metric for them to look at though because nobody is surveying unmarried partners raising kids.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
This is something that has been growing slowly and slowly generation after generation. It's not a Gen-Z thing, it's a society thing. It's simply reached a peak level where idiots are JUST NOW starting to see it.


You know, kinda like how single parenthood has slowly been creeping up to its now record levels. You would think that MIGHT just play a factor in respecting authority? Well, no shit Sherlock.
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Just like having little middle-schoolers with smart phones on social media at an early age plays a factor.

People just stop taking accountability. People stop having shame in looking like a failure, or impeding others. We give everyone a trophy even when you're a loser.



All of these things play factors into things. It's not any 1 thing - but a plethora of things that I would simply roll-up to "an unhealthy society"
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Lol "respecting authority," look who is still pretending adults aren't just kids trying to pretend they know anything about anything.
 
deadlyapp said:
I guess my point was that marriage alone is not an indicator, cohabitating partners etc exist without marriage. That's probably the easiest metric for them to look at though because nobody is surveying unmarried partners raising kids.
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Been a while since I've seen the stats, but that has been researched and it was found that on average married parents still produce better results than cohabitating parents. Probably because, in general marriage is actually more stable than cohabitating.

ETA: https://www.brookings.edu/research/cohabiting-parents-differ-from-married-ones-in-three-big-ways/
 
Zorba said:
Been a while since I've seen the stats, but that has been researched and it was found that on average married parents still produce better results than cohabitating parents. Probably because, in general marriage is actually more stable than cohabitating.

ETA: https://www.brookings.edu/research/cohabiting-parents-differ-from-married-ones-in-three-big-ways/
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Yeah and just to be clear, my point was on single-parenthood which has continued to grow.

I have nothing against cohabiting parents and what-not, though I do believe not having a biological male (or vice-versa biological female) in a home will always result in disadvantages.
 
I do think cell phones and other electronics should be banned from schools. All the teachers I know have issues with them. But the problem has gotten so big schools have decided to not deal with it.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Yeah and just to be clear, my point was on single-parenthood which has continued to grow.

I have nothing against cohabiting parents and what-not, though I do believe not having a biological male (or vice-versa biological female) in a home will always result in disadvantages.
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"It takes a village," not "it takes 2 opposite-sex parents."
 
Zorba said:
I do think cell phones and other electronics should be banned from schools. All the teachers I know have issues with them. But the problem has gotten so big schools have decided to not deal with it.
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Agreed, they stay in your locker. You can use them at recess or lunch, but never in a classroom setting, at the least.
 
dank69 said:
"It takes a village," not "it takes 2 opposite-sex parents."
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Unfortunately, statistics show 2 parents are better. Especially two parents that don't have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. Never seen data on same-sex vs opposite-sex, which makes me think that probably isn't much of a factor.

Progressives need to learn there is a line between not demonizing single parents/supporting them and pretending there are no negative effects. Humans evolved with marriage because it had net benefits to our offspring, so much so that it outweighed the benefits of men fucking every woman they could.

I don't know how you fix the issue, but it definitely isn't pretending that there is no detrimental effect on kids with single parents. And for the record, I was raised by a single parent from the time I was ten it had some pretty obvious downfalls and did impact my education.
 
Zorba said:
Unfortunately, statistics show 2 parents are better. Especially two parents that don't have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. Never seen data on same-sex vs opposite-sex, which makes me think that probably isn't much of a factor.

Progressives need to learn there is a line between not demonizing single parents/supporting them and pretending there are no negative effects. Humans evolved with marriage because it had net benefits to our offspring, so much so that it outweighed the benefits of men fucking every woman they could.

I don't know how you fix the issue, but it definitely isn't pretending that there is no detrimental effect on kids with single parents. And for the record, I was raised by a single parent from the time I was ten it had some pretty obvious downfalls and did impact my education.
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Men and women are inherently different - so simply teaching things from multiple points of view is beneficial. As I mentioned earlier there is a striking correlation between hotly debated topics like school shooters have disproportionately been committed by kids without fathers.

It's not to say gay couples, etc... don't have multiple points of view - just that men vs. women have point of view differences that can only be had from having both.

There is no question that having 2 parents though is better than 1 of course as you mentioned.
 
Zorba said:
Unfortunately, statistics show 2 parents are better. Especially two parents that don't have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. Never seen data on same-sex vs opposite-sex, which makes me think that probably isn't much of a factor.

Progressives need to learn there is a line between not demonizing single parents/supporting them and pretending there are no negative effects. Humans evolved with marriage because it had net benefits to our offspring, so much so that it outweighed the benefits of men fucking every woman they could.

I don't know how you fix the issue, but it definitely isn't pretending that there is no detrimental effect on kids with single parents. And for the record, I was raised by a single parent from the time I was ten it had some pretty obvious downfalls and did impact my education.
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Maybe getting back to a point where it's reasonable to support a family on a single wage?
 
nakedfrog said:
Maybe getting back to a point where it's reasonable to support a family on a single wage?
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Not sure what that has to do with single parents and educational outcomes. Except that it makes it even harder for single parents.

I'd say, though, "needing" two incomes to maintain a desired standard of living was a pretty obvious outcome of a majority of households getting a second income. Also if everyone over the age of 24 was married, housing demand would likely drop a lot.
 
Zorba said:
Not sure what that has to do with single parents and educational outcomes. Except that it makes it even harder for single parents.

I'd say, though, "needing" two incomes to maintain a desired standard of living was a pretty obvious outcome of a majority of households getting a second income. Also if everyone over the age of 24 was married, housing demand would likely drop a lot.
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It has everything to do with parents, whether single or plural, and education outcomes.
 
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