One former teacher's opinion/testimony on teaching Gen Z

[Captante]

Capitalism is such a $hit way to run a country.

"God bless America" .... what a fvcking joke.

 

[dank69]

Dual income would be enough to early retire to a life of luxury. As it should be.
There's my concern. People forever working on the low end shouldn't just up and retire to a "life of luxury", sorry.

Okay, yes, dual minimum wage will probably not retire to a life of luxury, but they will retire comfortably.

 

[dank69]

Capitalism is such a $hit way to run a country.

"God bless America" .... what a fvcking joke.

Capitalism is fine when it is well-regulated. Americans have been gaslit into believing regulations are the enemy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Well, it could be that the wild times might no longer interest someone looking to marry and they finally want to "settle down".

Whereas, cohabitors are still basically doing now-acceptable mode of operation of being wild and having arguably deviant fun but are kinda of closer than mere fuck buddies.

lol where are you getting this notion that there is this rampant growing group of people that fuck around, but are also in committed relationships worthy of sharing a home together?

I mean, I'm sure some examples exist, but it's by no means some kind of growing trend. Just like anything else they either eventually get married or break off.

 

[Torn Mind]

Capitalism is fine when it is well-regulated. Americans have been gaslit into believing regulations are the enemy.

It depends on the system set up by the regulations and what is being regulated. Many regulations are not well thought out.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Capitalism is such a $hit way to run a country.

"God bless America" .... what a fvcking joke.

Yeah, I mean, it's only the most successful in the history of the world, with opposing models all ending in complete failures with millions upon millions of people historically counted as deaths from a direct cause of it.

 

[RPD]

Okay, yes, dual minimum wage will probably not retire to a life of luxury, but they will retire comfortably.

Eh, if you are going to do the minimum working, expect the minimum in retirement.

 

[dank69]

It depends on the system set up by the regulations and what is being regulated. Many regulations are not well thought out.

This is what I mean by gaslighting. Millions of dollars are spent every year to convince laypeople that regulations are "stupid" or "not well thought out" when in reality they exist for a specific reason that is conveniently not mentioned.

 

[dank69]

Eh, if you are going to do the minimum working, expect the minimum in retirement.

That's what I mean by comfortable. Basic needs met and reasonable entertainment.

 

[Torn Mind]

lol where are you getting this notion that there is this rampant growing group of people that fuck around, but are also in committed relationships worthy of sharing a home together?

I mean, I'm sure some examples exist, but it's by no means some kind of growing trend. Just like anything else they either eventually get married or break off.

I am not sure how the hell you got to inferring that from my post. My gist was that cohabiters might have a mindset not conducive to commitment. Whereas someone who does decide to marry eventually might seriously be committed to "the one" even after a wild youth. Heck, one forum user here has sowed his oats but he might have found his "one" recently.

Marriage is not just living together...there are some other legal matters that the "binding act" of marriage does(taxes, inheritance, protection from certain liens if a married couple both hold title to a house). Some are benefits, others are avenues to loss without a prenup similar. Or in other words, it's also a fucking business decision with all the trappings of business. However, with the taboo of treating "love relationships" as business punishes victims who are not good at putting on faces while quasi-psychopaths who manipulate the social norms often make bank.

BTW, you haven't given me my request for a reasonable accommodation in the other thread. I believe I need sue you OT-style for discrimination against time-strapped forum users for not providing timestamps for an hour and 20 minute youtube soliloquy that is not entertaining. . 😉

 

[Captante]

Capitalism is fine when it is well-regulated

And where does this mythical "well-regulated" capitalism actually exist?

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And to the a$$-clown who thinks it's funny that somebody who grew up loving America and actually believing the lies we were sold about "freedom" and "rights" being important is now completely DISGUSTED with the country and think's it's swirling in the bowl ... be advised that when the $hit hit's the fan your stupid a$$ will be getting splattered too.

Also be advised that I'm FAR from alone.

 

[snoopy7548]

UBI would be awesome. $24k/year tax-free for every US citizen over the age of 18, for life, regardless of how much they make working one, two, three, or 20 jobs. $2k/month for a single person definitely covers food, gas, clothing, and goes a long way towards shelter. You'd have incentive to get a job, but even something like being a waiter/waitress would be enough for a decent lifestyle.

 

[Torn Mind]

This is what I mean by gaslighting. Millions of dollars are spent every year to convince laypeople that regulations are "stupid" or "not well thought out" when in reality they exist for a specific reason that is conveniently not mentioned.

On the contrary. Some regulations are indeed not beneficial or effective due to the design of how they are enforced or what is being addressed.

Just like the situation of the teacher in the OP. The intent of whatever was implement is not itself bad, I myself might have benefitted from it. But how the "machine" is actually working is exactly the opposite of what was intended.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This is what I mean by gaslighting. Millions of dollars are spent every year to convince laypeople that regulations are "stupid" or "not well thought out" when in reality they exist for a specific reason that is conveniently not mentioned.

You realize that regulations are INCREDIBLY valuable and incredibly favored by big companies, right?

It's often simply bottlenecking and paper pushing in many instances which large companies can handle, and small ones cannot.

It's not to say that all regulations are bad regulations - but look at our healthcare industry and banking industry. The first thing you have to do at either of them is fill out and sign papers that no one reads. Those are regulations.

 

[Captante]

Yeah, I mean, it's only the most successful in the history of the world

That's what I used to think too....

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

UBI would be awesome. $24k/year tax-free for every US citizen over the age of 18, for life, regardless of how much they make working one, two, three, or 20 jobs. $2k/month for a single person definitely covers food, gas, clothing, and goes a long way towards shelter. You'd have incentive to get a job, but even something like being a waiter/waitress would be enough for a decent lifestyle.

Yeah, sure bud, I mean - it's not like there are other effects from government reaching their hands into the money jar like... oh I don't know... rampant inflation....

But yeah sure, give everyone $2000/month. What could possibly go wrong lol.

 

[Torn Mind]

And where does this mythical "well-regulated" capitalism actually exist?

😕


And to the a$$-clown who thinks it's funny that somebody who grew up loving America and actually believing the lies we were sold about "freedom" and "rights" being important is now completely DISGUSTED with the country and think's it's swirling in the bowl ... when the $hit hit's the fan your stupid a$$ will be getting splattered too.

Funny, I was an America-bashing bitch in my teens. On that now-dead Yu-gi-oh forum, another member did eventually confront me. At first, I was obviously abrasively resistant. But with some time to settle down, I had to agree somewhat.

It's better than certain places, but the corruption is real. Now, it just isn't the private sector...but also the "bureaucratic" sector of "the public".

By better, at least you won't be rounded up by the state, by monitored 24/7 while in detention, even while you shit, and be forced to confess "betrayal and repentance" to the state or else the detention exists indefinitely.

 

[dank69]

On the contrary. Some regulations are indeed not beneficial or effective due to the design of how they are enforced or what is being addressed.

Just like the situation of the teacher in the OP. The intent of whatever was implement is not itself bad, I myself might have benefitted from it. But how the "machine" is actually working is exactly the opposite of what was intended.

You realize that regulations are INCREDIBLY valuable and incredibly favored by big companies, right?

It's often simply bottlenecking and paper pushing in many instances which large companies can handle, and small ones cannot.

It's not to say that all regulations are bad regulations - but look at our healthcare industry and banking industry. The first thing you have to do at either of them is fill out and sign papers that no one reads. Those are regulations.

Of course many regulations are bad, especially now that they are mostly written by moneyed interests, but you can also bet that the regulations that get tossed like this were bad for moneyed interests and good for you:

 

[Captante]

By better, at least you won't be rounded up by the state, by monitored 24/7 while in detention, even while you shit, and be forced to confess "betrayal and repentance" to the state or else the detention exists indefinitely.

So "the greatest country in the world" is now reduced to "could be worse"??



Say what you will about "baby-boomers", at least we (really "they" I'm a "boomer" by 1 year!) did something about Vietnam back in the late 1960's.... 2022 America is too brain-washed to give a crap.

 

[Torn Mind]

Yeah, sure bud, I mean - it's not like there are other effects from government reaching their hands into the money jar like... oh I don't know... rampant inflation....

But yeah sure, give everyone $2000/month. What could possibly go wrong lol.

UBI could be on the table if a real funding source that doesn't fuck Main St due media-whipped "Wall St. hate" exists.

Alaska can afford to pay people a small payment because they got gas and oil reserves, for example.

 

[Torn Mind]

Of course many regulations are bad, especially now that they are mostly written by moneyed interests, but you can also bet that the regulations that get tossed like this were bad for moneyed interests and good for you:

Sometimes the regulations don't have enough bite because the system laid down really has no punishment. Such as making insurance companies update their damn provider directories to show how few docs really take their insurance. United Healthcare is such a bitch.

 

[dank69]

Yeah, sure bud, I mean - it's not like there are other effects from government reaching their hands into the money jar like... oh I don't know... rampant inflation....

But yeah sure, give everyone $2000/month. What could possibly go wrong lol.

How about you take your attitude over to P&N. Yeah, you won't do that because the people there that actually understand economics beyond Fox Noise soundbites will hand you your ass as usual.

 

[dank69]

UBI could be on the table if a real funding source that doesn't fuck Main St due media-whipped "Wall St. hate" exists.

Alaska can afford to pay people a small payment because they got gas and oil reserves, for example.

There are budget-neutral UBI proposals out there.

 

[Torn Mind]

So "the greatest country in the world" is now reduced to "could be worse"??



Say what you will about "baby-boomers", at least we (really "they" I'm a "boomer" by 1 year!) did something about Vietnam back in the late 1960's.... 2022 America is too brain-washed to give a crap.

I don't like Maryland, but I'm not exactly going expect a flood of sunshine and roses bailing out of this country of 50 little countries into another Anglosphere country. I at least know the ropes around the state of Maryland. Leaving would require at least little inquiry and education on how things operate in the new country compared to here.

I'd like to stay in L.A, NY, and Nashville for a bit before going as well...because music lol.

Ain't no fucking way I'd go to China though. WIth my internet history and sometimes brazen personality, I'd probably be locked up.

 

[RPD]

Getting way off topic here, but name another country of similar size or development (jokes aside) where the average Joe would have it better than the US? The list won't be that long. People are literally willing to risk their lives to get here, sure you can say look where they are coming from, but you can do the same math for pretty much anywhere else in the world.
Are people from India dying trying to cross into China like Mexico/US? Some countries may have some specific set of circumstances that align better with some individuals. For me the only place that comes to mind quickly is Japan, but I'm sure there's something there I wouldn't agree with or like and I'm sure there is some small European country that might qualify as well, but nothing really jumps out at me.