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runzwithsizorz

runzwithsizorz

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Admittedly, there are quite a few adult looking teens in size, and stature, But a 12 year old? If the kid was really out to do harm, wouldn't he have done so before the cops arrived? Are we to believe the kid actually drew down on the cop? This is what happens when you quit teaching in our schools, and instead, indoctrinate.
http://news.yahoo.com/boy-fake-gun-dies-shot-ohio-officer-170034176.html

Hmm, I'm sure it's just me, but does the emblem on the side of that police car in the photo look like a smiling pig? LOL
 
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MustISO

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How do they go about finding out it's fake. If the cop told him to put his hands up and instead he pulls out a gun, what should the cop have done? I'm not saying they should have shot the kid but they have no way to know it was a fake gun.
 
zanejohnson

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this really is getting out of hand, there's no defending that.

i hope they burn Ferguson to the ground, people need a wake up call.. the people, AND, the cops, need a wake up call...

those people who are stocking up on guns and ammo to "protect," their property.. they need a wake up call.. quit turning a blind fucking eye to these corrupt, killer, cops. it's YOUR responsibility to reign these psycho cops in. and they might just pay with their homes and lives. Maybe then they'll feel what it's like to be a young black man in the United States, to worry about a REAL threat to their person, because that's really what those people face every day., i hope it comes right to those hypocrites living rooms.
 
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Depending on how fast he drew what looks exactly like a real gun he absolutely deserved to be shot. This has happened before and police cannot possibly act in any manner different. Since we don't have video, that article doesn't give enough information to determine if the kid was acting like he was playing around or truly appeared to be a threat, but 12 year olds murder with handguns all the time.

Oh, and play stupid games win stupid prizes.
 
runzwithsizorz

runzwithsizorz

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MustISO said:
How do they go about finding out it's fake. If the cop told him to put his hands up and instead he pulls out a gun, what should the cop have done? I'm not saying they should have shot the kid but they have no way to know it was a fake gun.
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It was reported as probably a toy, the lack of people fleeing in panic, he was observed by the cops prior with the toy sitting on a table. In short,---
deductive reasoning.
 
zanejohnson

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really i think this all stems from just TOO MANY DAMN COPS. EVERYWHERE.

most of these situations, whether the young black man acted "aggressively," or not, there really have just never been contact with LEO in the first place! that's the real problem!

in my town for instance, a small town of around 30,000 people.... you can't drive through the main streets from one side of town to the other without seeing at least 5 cops...and that's just the main thoroughfares of the city! not to mention they are all in brand spanking new sooped up SUV's... totally unnecessary.....

people wanna claim that the youth is more violent, or the crime is incredibly high (the only crime that is higher is the crime the state freaking creates, drug possessions, and such)... what happened to one horse towns, a sheriff and a few deputys, not GD'd small armys to police towns... THAT'S what creates this mess.
 
zanejohnson

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why is a cop even responding to a call of a kid with a toy gun?

i used to walk around my neighborhood with a pellet gun when i was a kid.

why because it's a black neighborhood are the cops coming all gungho guns a blazin at this child?
 
JEDIYoda

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Blanky said:
Depending on how fast he drew what looks exactly like a real gun he absolutely deserved to be shot. This has happened before and police cannot possibly act in any manner different. Since we don't have video, that article doesn't give enough information to determine if the kid was acting like he was playing around or truly appeared to be a threat, but 12 year olds murder with handguns all the time.

Oh, and play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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Bull shit!! You have to be kidding if you think 12 year old with a toy gun would actually draw on a Cop who had his weapon pointed at the 12 year old. This whole thing smells and you know it!
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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runzwithsizorz said:
It was reported as probably a toy, the lack of people fleeing in panic, he was observed by the cops prior with the toy sitting on a table. In short,---
deductive reasoning.
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nowadays it is taught that you shoot first and expla,,,oops..cover up later!
 
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Real brave cop there. I can only wish the same happens to his family.
 
Blanky

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zanejohnson said:
why is a cop even responding to a call of a kid with a toy gun?

i used to walk around my neighborhood with a pellet gun when i was a kid.

why because it's a black neighborhood are the cops coming all gungho guns a blazin at this child?
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Serious?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hot-stomach-cops-waving-BB-gun-play-area.html

"'The guy keeps pulling it in and out…it’s probably fake, but he’s scaring the s*** out of people.' "

And you think the cops should just say "Yeah, it's definitely fake, we won't bother sending anybody out."
Bull shit!! You have to be kidding if you think 12 year old with a toy gun would actually draw on a Cop who had his weapon pointed at the 12 year old. This whole thing smells and you know it!
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I have long since learned that many people in society act in exceptionally stupid ways.

If the police would start wearing cameras much of this stuff would be on film.
i'd rather take a bullet than shoot a kid. but thats just me.
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Yep, it is, but of course circumstances are always to be considered.
nowadays it is taught that you shoot first and expla,,,oops..cover up later!
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Many cops are shoot first ask questions later. You see the cop recently who shot the man who was going for papers in his car? It was unbelievably ridiculous.
 
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Read somewhere that the orange tip to indicate it was a toy gun was removed as well...

Take that for whatever it is worth....
 
The Merg

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Let's see here...

after the boy pulled the fake weapon — which was lacking the orange safety indicator usually found on the muzzle — from his waistband
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A man who called 911 told dispatchers the boy was on a swing set and pointing a pistol that was "probably fake" and scaring everyone.
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The officer called to the playground outside a city recreation center saw the pistol sitting on a table or bench, and watched the boy grab it and put it in his waistband
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The caller said the boy was pulling the gun in and out of his pants.

"I don't know if it's real or not," the caller said.
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The boy did not make any verbal threats but grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands
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Yeah, definitely a bad shoot...

- Merg
 
zanejohnson

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The Merg said:
Let's see here...











Yeah, definitely a bad shoot...

- Merg
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two things i gathered from that that are bigger problems than the kid playing with a toy gun in public.

1.the busybody who called cops.
2.the psychotic cop who shot dead a 12 year old child.
 
Bitek

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There is just no excuse for this. In the end the #1 job of the police is to make communities safer and serve the public. Shooting children in the playground is horrendous.

Furgeson will get attention this week, but this story deserves it so much more
 
The Merg

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zanejohnson said:
two things i gathered from that that are bigger problems than the kid playing with a toy gun in public.

1.the busybody who called cops.
2.the psychotic cop who shot dead a 12 year old child.
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I will say this... The one article doesn't give the whole story. However, if we use what is given in this article, what was the cop supposed to do?

If the cops told him to raise his hands and he reached for the gun, what was the cop supposed to do next? That's right, he could wait to see if the tip of the barrel had the orange tip that definitely means the gun is a toy. Sorry, not in this case, the tip was gone (and don't think that criminals haven't colored the tips of real guns). Or he could wait to see if the kid pointed the gun at him and pulled the trigger only to see that it was an airsoft gun and not a real gun.

As for the person who called the cops, according to them he was scaring people with the gun. They don't know if it is real or not. What would you want them to do?

- Merg
 
The Merg

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One thing I like is that the family attorney even states that he wants more information so that he doesn't make a rush to judgement.

Even though the article slants towards showing that the shooting was justified, I'll keep an open mind in that if more evidence comes forward that this was a bad shoot, appropriate action needs to be taken.

I would hope people here discussing this incident can take a cue from the family attorney as well (and I'll try to as well).

- Merg
 
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