On the question of why 'I' am right and 'you' are wrong.

[LunarRay]

TotalCommand,
You are using your thinking to analyze mine... hehehehe... they are different... I am different..
I don't exist by your rules but, by mine. I don't opine based on your thinking but, by mine. I said earlier that I don't need consensus to find justification for my thinking I only need me. What I think is all that matters to me.
Tis why when I see a political event or some news story I don't align with the appropriate party and denounce or support the item... I simply determine how I feel about it and then commence to comment. Where the chips fall they fall...

You see, Logic is nice and so are banana splits... I accept what is as is. I'm fond of banana splits but, not so beer. The point is that no matter the issue nor the opposition it all boils down to how I feel about it. It don't matter a twit if I know everything or nothing or a bit about it.. I can always change my feeling if new information causes that to occur... I'd never stifle my feelings based on the certainty of knowing all there possibly could be to know..

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So the analogy here is: We're running around hitting topics with our blunted intellect? That makes sense to me, after all 2000 years ago we looked up into the night sky with total bewilderment. No wonder we made up Gods who alternately watch over us and take the blame for bad things that happen to us. We plug the holes in our knowledge with the nails of our ignorance. Only when we're way down the road do we ever look back and realize how silly we were.

Hehehehe

I'd only add that some are placing nails in baloons and others on rock and still others in sand... Some of us never look to see what the nails may do... but, plug away, anyhow... Once in awhile a tree gets in our way and we figure what the heck... I'll put some nails in there too...

Palms and feet is where they usually go.

Ouch! Well, if suffering is where it's at (i.e. it's the "bottom" you speak of), I suppose that's one way to do it.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ouch! Well, if suffering is where it's at (i.e. it's the "bottom" you speak of), I suppose that's one way to do it.

Don't know about that, but the only way out is through.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
if you have to remove yourself from this perspective of reality in order to think... well, it's sad

With all due respect, LMK, WHOOOOOOOOSH!

. . . that is to rely on the Lord to make your path striate and walk in the path set before you in both the love and grace that you feel from the Lord.

MUCH better! Objective reality, if it exists, most certainly consists of layers upon layers, that's the striate truth!

A character in a novel I once read said you could only apprehend "reality" fleetingly, and then only by squinting sideways. I always liked that.

So, existence? Have pun with the "layers". The yolk is on us, anyway.

Food for thought: Try new recipies. Hatch a plan to change the way you think. Don't coop yourself up choosing the same tired conclusions from the same old menu. Come out of your shell.

I egg you on not to be chicken about questioning what came first, you or your ideas about you. Make a clean breast of it. Marinate your mind with wine, and call it coq au vin. See what shows up for you, and chew on it.

Throw up your arms in defiance, and refuse to regurgitate the same tired thinking. Give it a rest.

Then taste your just desserts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I am right because if I am not, I am weak, and if I am weak then I am faulty, worthless. I cannot face that so I must tear you down to build myself up. If I ever have confidence in myself and realize that my self worth is not based on what I own or who my military can beat up to make myself feel better, then I might understand that I needn't use someone else as a false metric to judge my own value. If I did that, then I would have to realize that the same holds for you, and I simply cannot allow that because I am too afraid I might really be what I fear.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The truth about knowing nothing and thus being wise isn?t that you question existence, it's to lack question for anything and allow the unknown world to work itself out, that is to rely on the Lord to make your path striate and walk in the path set before you in both the love and grace that you feel from the Lord.

You mean the love and grace that restricts truth only to Christians?

Edit: To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail.

You are wrong, we can know what we know but we can not know what we do not know.

Question everything, be a child when it comes to knowledge, don't be afraid to ask questions.

You speak of the Lord, like if you knew the existance of a Lord, you are proclaiming to know what you do not know, i say you are wrong.

Now what?

Klixxer, I don't know to whom you are addressing your question. In case you interpreted "You mean the love and grace that restricts truth to Christians?", let me rephrase it. You mean the lack of love and grace that arrogantly assumes that only Christians, and perhaps only ones of a certain type, have a handle on truth?" It wasn't me who was speaking of the Lord but you quoted my post.

I see my mistake, please accept my apology for misunderstanding and my agreement with the intended meaning.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LunarRay
MB

Edit: To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail.

To the man with a nail .. nothing looks like a hammer....

Doesn't work, how often haven't you used whatever was handy to hammer down that nail?

Oh i get the symbolism, but the symbols have to work for the symbolism to work.

Lots of times I haven't.

My point is subtle... One has an issue and nothing seems to provide the answer... so one is left to use the next best thing to solve the problem... The next best thing don't give the warm and fuzzies to the process even if at the end of the day the nail has been driven...

I got your point and i agree, but the thing is that we will use whatever is handy and be ok with it most of the time.

Eventhough the job becomes harder and the end result poorer we will many times whatever is handy to do the job.

Sometimes we will grab a hammer to do the job, sometimes we will discover it and use whatever is handy. I am just taking your point one step further.

I realize that i expressed myself a bit clumsily to make my point.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I am right because if I am not, I am weak, and if I am weak then I am faulty, worthless. I cannot face that so I must tear you down to build myself up. If I ever have confidence in myself and realize that my self worth is not based on what I own or who my military can beat up to make myself feel better, then I might understand that I needn't use someone else as a false metric to judge my own value. If I did that, then I would have to realize that the same holds for you, and I simply cannot allow that because I am too afraid I might really be what I fear.

That is so true.. it is the reality clouded by our fears..

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LunarRay
MB

Edit: To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail.

To the man with a nail .. nothing looks like a hammer....

Doesn't work, how often haven't you used whatever was handy to hammer down that nail?

Oh i get the symbolism, but the symbols have to work for the symbolism to work.

Lots of times I haven't.

My point is subtle... One has an issue and nothing seems to provide the answer... so one is left to use the next best thing to solve the problem... The next best thing don't give the warm and fuzzies to the process even if at the end of the day the nail has been driven...

I got your point and i agree, but the thing is that we will use whatever is handy and be ok with it most of the time.

Eventhough the job becomes harder and the end result poorer we will many times whatever is handy to do the job.

Sometimes we will grab a hammer to do the job, sometimes we will discover it and use whatever is handy. I am just taking your point one step further.

I realize that i expressed myself a bit clumsily to make my point.

You did just fine, IMO..
My cryptic metaphores and ananolgy is sitting in my mind... Not always easy to get my drift..

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LunarRay
MB

Edit: To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail.

To the man with a nail .. nothing looks like a hammer....

Doesn't work, how often haven't you used whatever was handy to hammer down that nail?

Oh i get the symbolism, but the symbols have to work for the symbolism to work.

Lots of times I haven't.

My point is subtle... One has an issue and nothing seems to provide the answer... so one is left to use the next best thing to solve the problem... The next best thing don't give the warm and fuzzies to the process even if at the end of the day the nail has been driven...

I got your point and i agree, but the thing is that we will use whatever is handy and be ok with it most of the time.

Eventhough the job becomes harder and the end result poorer we will many times whatever is handy to do the job.

Sometimes we will grab a hammer to do the job, sometimes we will discover it and use whatever is handy. I am just taking your point one step further.

I realize that i expressed myself a bit clumsily to make my point.

You did just fine, IMO..
My cryptic metaphores and ananolgy is sitting in my mind... Not always easy to get my drift..

I was completely snowed by your drift.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I am right because if I am not, I am weak, and if I am weak then I am faulty, worthless. I cannot face that so I must tear you down to build myself up. If I ever have confidence in myself and realize that my self worth is not based on what I own or who my military can beat up to make myself feel better, then I might understand that I needn't use someone else as a false metric to judge my own value. If I did that, then I would have to realize that the same holds for you, and I simply cannot allow that because I am too afraid I might really be what I fear.

That is so true.. it is the reality clouded by our fears..

I want to second that with spades.

 

[LunarRay]

MB,

I was completely snowed by your drift.

The larger the shovel the shorter the time to clear the path to poetic understanding.... As well as to clean up the garage...