On the question of whether left wing authoritarianism is a real thing:

[Pohemi]

Tf is this?

Trolling...or pure idiocy. Take your pick.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Trolling...or pure idiocy. Take your pick.

Tell that to Andy Ngo. He is an expert on their tactics having been beaten by them on more than one occasion.

If you ax me they are just as bad as the right wing groups that go out there and cause trouble. I oppose violence.

Organized peaceful protests are fine and part of our democratic rights but when they turn into thugs traveling the country beating up people who disagree with them and destroying public and private property that is going too far.

 

[dank69]

Tell that to Andy Ngo. He is an expert on their tactics having been beaten by them on more than one occasion.

If you ax me they are just as bad as the right wing groups that go out there and cause trouble. I oppose violence.

Organized peaceful protests are fine and part of our democratic rights but when they turn into thugs traveling the country beating up people who disagree with them and destroying public and private property that is going too far.

Ngo hasn't been beaten enough. Fashies get the bashies. You wouldn't say our WWII soldiers were out of line for killing Nazis but here you are protecting a little wannabe Goebbels.

 

[HomerJS]

Tell that to Andy Ngo. He is an expert on their tactics having been beaten by them on more than one occasion.

If you ax me they are just as bad as the right wing groups that go out there and cause trouble. I oppose violence.

Organized peaceful protests are fine and part of our democratic rights but when they turn into thugs traveling the country beating up people who disagree with them and destroying public and private property that is going too far.

What the fuck are you talking about? You people defined J6 as normal political discourse.

 

[Greenman]

Minority rule is authoritarian.

Recently scientists have taken an interest in the subject perhaps because of the emergence of the expression Trump Derangement Syndrome and have begun to question whether or not authoritarianism on the left is present of even possible. New research seems to indicate that it is real and present on some of the progressive left, not, by the way, the left I would call progressive:

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.

www.theatlantic.com

Is the myth of left-wing authoritarianism itself a myth?

Is left-wing authoritarianism (LWA) closer to a myth or a reality? Twelve studies test the empirical existence and theoretical relevance of LWA. Study 1 reveals that both conservative and liberal Americans identify a large number of left-wing authoritarians in their lives. In Study 2...

www.frontiersin.org

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2102/2102.11009.pdf

as some examples.

It seems that owing to the endless 'game of both sides' this information is still not well know or well received on the left and goes unrecognized. This means that the left can create what it fears.

I have another thread that caused me to post this where the left is challenged by Maher and Peterson where this lack of realization seems to be evident:

Interesting dialog between Bill Maher and Jordan Peterson in part on the difference between liberalism and wokeness not being the same thing.....

Pretty long for most here I suspect but the section i mentioned in the thread title I found pretty interesting. I have suggested we have an authoritarian problem on the left that liberals are ignoring including Trump derangement syndrome, race at the center of everything, fear driven climate...

forums.anandtech.com

Is left wing authoritarianism a real thing in your opinion and, if not, how do you square that with the science suggesting it is real.

Doesn't it all depend on which side of the equation you're on? If you're getting no cost health care, government checks every month, and subsidized housing, the left are all angels that care about everyone. If you happen to be the people the money for that is being taken from, you probably have a different opinion.

 

[FelixDeCat]

What the fuck are you talking about? You people defined J6 as normal political discourse.

What do you mean "you people"?

I oppose political violence. Always have, always will. I have been consistent in this. I never supported Trumps coup attempt, so take that nonsense to the trash bin.

IIRC You spoke in favor of the rioting that took place in 2019 to 2020. Am I correct?

 

[Stokely]

Left and Right are most accurately about economics. You can be libertarian or authoritarian and be hard left or hard right, they are independent. Whenever you hear someone say "but but the Nazis were left wing!" time to find a better conversation.

If there's a Trump derangement syndrome, it's in the people *still* flying flags and banners around my county--which barely went for Biden btw--after 8 years. I've never seen that before. It's a cult of personality, a ton of people see this guy as somewhere between a hero and small-g god.

Personally I detest him as a human but as a voter I strongly oppose his policies and the people he chooses to run things in the government, which are maybe more important than the top dog. I think he's dangerously incompetent, has a bad temperment to be a leader, and we got off rather lightly that there actually was a "deep state" consisting of career dept workers that kept him from acting on his worst impulses.

I have an equal amount of dislike for Desantis and everything he stands for, so if I have TDS I guess I have DDS and throw in PDS for Mr. Jesus Pence while you are at it. It's fricking sad that I'd leap to vote for Mitt Romney over any of these choads--and I couldn't vote against Romney fast enough when he ran. The GOP has gone off a cliff.

 

[HomerJS]

What do you mean "you people"?

I oppose political violence. Always have, always will. I have been consistent in this. I never supported Trumps coup attempt, so take that nonsense to the trash bin.

IIRC You spoke in favor of the rioting that took place in 2019 to 2020. Am I correct?

That violence was not supported by a political group like J6. You are partly responsible since you voted for that racist incompetent asshole. I attended BLM rallies and supported them. I never condoned any violence. At least I know from where I speak.

Violence at BLM rallies was nothing more than random shit that can break out putting a bunch of dumb people in a small area. When the Nuggets won the title violence broke out on the streets. That was NOT sponsored by the NBA or the team. Stop conflating.

 

[Moonbeam]

Doesn't it all depend on which side of the equation you're on? If you're getting no cost health care, government checks every month, and subsidized housing, the left are all angels that care about everyone. If you happen to be the people the money for that is being taken from, you probably have a different opinion.

My personal opinion is that whether you are an authoritarian or not is dependent on a persons personal history, the organic equipment we come into life with, our human nature with all its potentials being the canvas on which that unique individual history is written. As you probably know all too well, I believe that the way our use of language works as the mechanism by which we can talk to ourselves and each other creates the potential for thinking and that through fear and imagination, all things we were born to be able to experience, thought can become the imagining of anything. Via thought made possible by language we divide and name the world into concepts and comparisons and divisions which gives rise to duality. We believe that good and evil are real because we were taught by words and deeds that there are dangerous consequences if we don't know the difference.

Thought and language then, becomes a means of control. Be good and be rewarded, be bad and go to hell, etc. Our morality, then, becomes a matter of great concern. And it falls easily to us to use words and language of threat and reward to control other and especially our children, far easier that allowing children to feel completely free to emulate behaviors that correspond to their deepest human potential of the kind available to people who have by one means or another seen past the duality state and see the oneness of everything as we experienced life as very young children.

So, when it comes to childhood experience, some of us are subjected to profound pressures to conform to whatever moral code they are being raised under and others less so. In this way, I believe, we create greater and lesser degrees of authoritarian personality, all the way from full blown full blown Stockholm Syndrome suffers to extreme objectors to any authority and control. A third segment of the population may wind up very much less uptight and more open to tolerance.

So, while it is true that each will see things from their particular perspective, I don't think it is the perspective that is derived from the equation but the equation that defines the perspective. How we see the world will not be what the world is but how we were conditioned to experience it.

The world, then, is seen by two types of past experience, those who conform and those who reject, as a war of moral values and a more invisible group of people who do not believe that good and evil exist. The first two are wedded to the delusion of duality and belief, a faith in this and that and a war of ideologies.

With regard to the question you posed, then, and of course in my opinion, the equation and to which side of it you are on, isn't a real thing. There is no equation because we are all the same. Whether to rob Peter to pay Paul ceases to be a question when Paul realizes that Peter is just himself. How can it be theft to take care of yourself and what could be better than to have achieved in one's own person the capacity to take care of many?

To hate one's self is to hate others. To love one's self is to love life itself in all its manifestations. There is only love.

 

[cytg111]

Doesn't it all depend on which side of the equation you're on? If you're getting no cost health care, government checks every month, and subsidized housing, the left are all angels that care about everyone. If you happen to be the people the money for that is being taken from, you probably have a different opinion.

Yes, that is the defining essence of the paste decade, conflating opinion with fact.

 

[Pohemi]

Tell that to Andy Ngo.

Oh, you mean the guy who trolls people/protests IRL? Yeah. He needs to get punched more, fuck that guy.

Doesn't it all depend on which side of the equation you're on? If you're getting no cost health care, government checks every month, and subsidized housing, the left are all angels that care about everyone. If you happen to be the people the money for that is being taken from, you probably have a different opinion.

Statements like the above are why it's laughable when you pretend to be some even-keeled and neutral minded person, and not the GOP stooge you are in reality.

You believe that no one receives benefits who votes GOP.
You believe no one who votes for Democrats pays into the system.

Way to oversimplify and stereotype. Typical.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Ngo hasn't been beaten enough. Fashies get the bashies. You wouldn't say our WWII soldiers were out of line for killing Nazis but here you are protecting a little wannabe Goebbels.

Andy Ngo is doing an excellent job of exposing the left wing members of Antifa, their dark pasts and psychotic antics. I was going to post one here but it was NSFW as the individual had participated in all sorts of sexually deviant and criminal acts. You know, typical Antifa member.

No wonder they love beating on him.

 

[MrSquished]

Doesn't it all depend on which side of the equation you're on? If you're getting no cost health care, government checks every month, and subsidized housing, the left are all angels that care about everyone. If you happen to be the people the money for that is being taken from, you probably have a different opinion.

where's your buddy @fskimospy to let us know how smart you are.

even though everyone else realizes what a dumbass ignorant jackwagon fucknut you are and will always be.

 

[MrSquished]

Andy Ngo is doing an excellent job of exposing the left wing members of Antifa, their dark pasts and psychotic antics. I was going to post one here but it was NSFW as the individual had participated in all sorts of sexually deviant and criminal acts. You know, typical Antifa member.

No wonder they love beating on him.

how's your pre-existing condition doing? no I'm not talking about your fucking evil brain, I mean the physical one.

 

[Pohemi]

More secret sources from FDC to supposedly support his shitheadedness.

Sure thing, troll.

 

[FelixDeCat]

how's your pre-existing condition doing? no I'm not talking about your fucking evil brain, I mean the physical one.

Its being treated with loving kindness and relatively under control, thanks for asking.

 

[MrSquished]

Its being treated with loving kindness and relatively under control, thanks for asking.

You're making me wish Obama didn't fight for coverage for pre-existing conditions though. I'm not happy he helped you out. Over the last 6 years you people have shown me you don't deserve any of it.

 

[Moonbeam]

You're making me wish Obama didn't fight for coverage for pre-existing conditions though. I'm not happy he helped you out. Over the last 6 years you people have shown me you don't deserve any of it.

He didn't make you wish that. He just made you feel what you already felt because you were taught that to have any self respect yourself you had to conform to what you were taught was right and he doesn't qualify as you didn't either early on.