On-court payback left ballplayer unconscious

[iRONic]

FWIW... I watched the interview with the father and son on CNN this morning. The son said that he came down with a rebound and elbowed the black kid. That precipitated the pushing match that ocurred coming up court. Then the sucker punch and subsequent Bertuzziing of the white kid.

The father is the coach. He's been calling the county DA for three months and never gets an answer. He felt his only recourse was to release that video to the media.

 

[Babbles]

Wow, that is just amazing to watch that.

I don't think the kid should be tried as an adult, however he should face severe repercussions, fines, or whatever. He also should not be allowed to participate in any more organized youth sports. I don't think he should go to any sort of jail or juvenile because I think that does nothing to fix the kid's problems. He is probably already on the fast-track to be a sore on society, however you throw him in juvenile or jail and that would essentially seal the deal.

Also, I was thinking I am sort of surprised - and maybe it was not caught on camera - that the white kids teammates didn't proceed to beat the snot out of the black kid.

 

[mundane]

Disgusting.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
That POS needs to be kicked out of school and brought up on charges immediately. :|

good idea...i'm sure without even a hope of making something out of his life, he'll become a better person

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
That POS needs to be kicked out of school and brought up on charges immediately. :|

good idea...i'm sure without even a hope of making something out of his life, he'll become a better person

You're right. We should reward him with a sports scholorship to a top college and give him a shot at the big league. and all the kids who bust their asses and never get in trouble can just understand that sometimes in life, it is better to just step aside for the trouble makers... and that those who cause the most trouble need and get the biggest handout of help.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
That's why I hate playing basketball with black "kids", they are unruly, destructive, and don't practice good judgement under emotional stress on the court. Call me racist all you want, I grew up in Philly and played with thousands of them, they almost always try to talk smack and have no trouble throwing an elbow into you on defense or offense. I'm sure all that happened was a little jostling between the two, than maybe some yapping because of it, the one says something that might've angered him and he decides it's time to start throwing punches, just ridiculous.

I played with black kids when I played ball. Most of them just smack talk, and it is part of the culture. You have to show up or shut up in most cases.

You will find that most black (African-American) people are the most friendly and accomadating people. It is part of their culture. African culture also makes most of the people very nice and respectful (I have met a lot of native Africans from Toastmasters).

It is the poor ghetto trash that I'm concerned about (this includes all races), but because of how the stystem was 30-40 years ago, it is predominantly black and now more recently hispanics (because of the way it is now). Because it was 30-40 years ago, the race card is used a lot as an excuse for improper behavior and bad situations nowadays instead of real situation. Mind you the system is still messed up, but the poor need to be weened and weaned off the notion that the rich should take care of all their needs because of what happened 100 years ago. It has become a self imposed handicap and should be dealt with drastically.

I agree with a lot of what Bill Cosby got flack for BTW.

No kidding.

I'm Scottish but you don't see ME trying to get repartitions from the English from back when the Scots where basically THEIR slaves.

Get over it and start excepting responsibility for your own situation instead of blaming EVERYTHING on what was done to your ancestors.

As far a violence goes, anyone can be violent no matter what your culture or background. But it can only be expected to get worse if not nipped in the bud early on.

Should the kid get jail time? Probably not, but he SHOULD be held accountable for his actions and in some why be made to pay for them.

 

[j00fek]

rofl pwnt

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
That POS needs to be kicked out of school and brought up on charges immediately. :|

good idea...i'm sure without even a hope of making something out of his life, he'll become a better person

Consequences for actions, genius. I suppose you think it's ok to commit crimes at a young age and let people off, because if we were to punish them, they wouldn't have a hope of making something out of their lives.

I'm gonna have my son beat the fvck out of you. Maybe you'll get it then.

 

[iliopsoas]

Harvey County District Attorney
David Yoder
316-284-6834

This numbnut hasn't done squat in the pursuit of justice. Maybe it's time he gets inundated with calls.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Just watched the video. If my son was the victim, I'd beat the crap out the thug right there on the court.

Mugs you're right: "kill" is a strong word. I meant what BlueWeasel said above: it would take an army (with guns) to get me off that kid. I'd put his face right through that arena floor, and I'd do it with my foot.

I figured as much. 😉

As for the chain of events, it looks like the two got tangled up at some point (unclear as to whether the tangling was intentional on the part of the black kid, but it kind of looks that way). The white kid responds with a push, and that's when the black kid haymaker's whitey and a ground-and-pound ensues.

That's what I thought. While the black kid responded with a HUGE overreaction, I don't think you can ignore the fact that the white kid started it with the push. That was a really dumb thing to do, and if they charge the black kid with assault or battery or whatever the legal term for beating the crap out of someone is, I think you'd have to charge the white kid with something to. The only way to justify letting the white kid off the hook is by saying his push was just "part of the game," even though it was completely illegal in the game. There's some debate over whether something that happens in the course of a game should subject a person to criminal prosecution - should hockey players be charged with assault if they get in a fight in a game?

Of course fighting is more a "part" of hockey than in baskeball, and the push was obviously more a "part" of the game than the beatdown. But the push instigated the beatdown, so in any other context I think the white kid would be in trouble too...

I'm just rambling mostly, but I don't agree that the black kid should be tried as an adult and put in prison for years. He certainly needs to make financial restitution for the damage he did (i.e. to the kid's braces), and he needs to be punished severely, but the kid overreacted in the heat of the moment. He's not a cold-blooded criminal.

I'm going to have to disagree. What the white kid did was against the rules, but he was also being bumped as he was going down the court, which is also a foul. The black kid he pushed was also the one that was pressing him when he recovered the loose ball, so the white kid might've already been pissed at what he thought was being fouled and the ref not calling it.

If he had just thrown the one punch and walked away, I'd be fine with the kid getting a flagrant and nothing more. Fights are a part of the game, it happens.

But what he proceeded to do was not a fight, and definitely not part of the game. The kid is lifeless on the ground, and the player gets in 3 good shots to the kids head. The hockey example would be more relavent if someone had just knocked a person out on the boards, and then proceeded to beat them in the head with their stick.

At the very least, the kid needs to do some community service and offer financial restitution to the family. Depending on if the kid has a history or not, they should decide whether to charge him as an adult and seek imprisonment.

are you joking?

1) FIGHTING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. it shows you cannot control yourself, and on part of the child, poor parenting.

2) this kid needs to have his ass kicked for his assault. the punch was bad enough, but now you're beating someone who is unconscious and unable to defend themselves? and to boot, you're hitting them in the head, giving a good chance of brain damage.

no, your ass needs to be thrown in the slammer.

 

[classy]

Now his son looks like he threw a shoulder or elbow into the boy first. His son started it.

 

[classy]

I watched it again, the white kid threw an elbow at the black kid. Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him, but he should have kept his hands and elbows to himself. And he clearly did it on purpose. So all the outrage is bs, his son started some stuff and paid for it.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

i saw it. the white kid got what he deserved. that will make him think twice about going after someone.

i don't think its criminal cause adrenaline was flowing. it was a competitive basketball game. who knows what had been going on up to that point. we don't see the whole game.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

i saw it. the white kid got what he deserved. that will make him think twice about going after someone.

i don't think its criminal cause adrenaline was flowing. it was a competitive basketball game. who knows what had been going on up to that point. we don't see the whole game.

even if it is the white kid's fault (i wish i could play the video in slow-mo to get a better idea), there is no reason to beat him unconscious and then beat him while he's unconscious. there's a point where "self defense" (note the quotes) becomes assault/murder. the black kid should have walked away, and instead he crossed the line and kept running.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: classy
I watched it again, the white kid threw an elbow at the black kid. Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him, but he should have kept his hands and elbows to himself. And he clearly did it on purpose. So all the outrage is bs, his son started some stuff and paid for it.

even if it is the white kid's fault (i wish i could play the video in slow-mo to get a better idea), there is no reason to beat him unconscious and then beat him while he's unconscious. there's a point where "self defense" (note the quotes) becomes assault/murder. the black kid should have walked away, and instead he crossed the line and kept running.

It's not worth talking with classy, he's only interested and will only be interested in one thing here: justification.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: classy
I watched it again, the white kid threw an elbow at the black kid. Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him, but he should have kept his hands and elbows to himself. And he clearly did it on purpose. So all the outrage is bs, his son started some stuff and paid for it.

even if it is the white kid's fault (i wish i could play the video in slow-mo to get a better idea), there is no reason to beat him unconscious and then beat him while he's unconscious. there's a point where "self defense" (note the quotes) becomes assault/murder. the black kid should have walked away, and instead he crossed the line and kept running.

Note that classy said "Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him".

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: classy
I watched it again, the white kid threw an elbow at the black kid. Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him, but he should have kept his hands and elbows to himself. And he clearly did it on purpose. So all the outrage is bs, his son started some stuff and paid for it.

even if it is the white kid's fault (i wish i could play the video in slow-mo to get a better idea), there is no reason to beat him unconscious and then beat him while he's unconscious. there's a point where "self defense" (note the quotes) becomes assault/murder. the black kid should have walked away, and instead he crossed the line and kept running.

It's not worth talking with classy, he's only interested and will only be interested in one thing here: justification.

Thats odd. Because you and many others want to throw the person who responded to the threat of assault under a bus, but completely ignore the instigator. Could it be the old ugly lets look the other way because the person who started it was white. And lets add this, the white kid admits he threw an elbow at the kid after a rebound and you can clearly see he throws another elbow at the kid going down the court. Now while the kid should have eased up on his punk @ss after he was down, the little bastard got what he deserved. HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS HANDS AND ELBOWS TO HIMSELF. Hows that for justification? Moral of the story: If you can't fight, don't pretend 😛

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: classy
I watched it again, the white kid threw an elbow at the black kid. Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him, but he should have kept his hands and elbows to himself. And he clearly did it on purpose. So all the outrage is bs, his son started some stuff and paid for it.

even if it is the white kid's fault (i wish i could play the video in slow-mo to get a better idea), there is no reason to beat him unconscious and then beat him while he's unconscious. there's a point where "self defense" (note the quotes) becomes assault/murder. the black kid should have walked away, and instead he crossed the line and kept running.

Note that classy said "Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him".

doh, i think i meant to quote quasarsky 🙁

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: classy
Thats odd. Because you and many others want to throw the person who responded to the threat of assault under a bus, but completely ignore the instigator. Could it be the old ugly lets look the other way because the person who started it was white. And lets add this, the white kid admits he threw an elbow at the kid after a rebound and you can clearly see he throws another elbow at the kid going down the court. Now while the kid should have eased up on his punk @ss after he was down, the little bastard got what he deserved. HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS HANDS AND ELBOWS TO HIMSELF. Hows that for justification? Moral of the story: If you can't fight, don't pretend 😛

I didn't say anything about what I thought should happen to either of the kids here. As I said, you are only interested in justification. Your token "Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him" is clearly only there to deflect criticism as you drive home the point you're really intent on focusing on, which is that it's all pretty much the victim's fault.

 

[iamaelephant]

Anyone got a link to the video at a site other than CNN? I can't stream off them.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: classy
Thats odd. Because you and many others want to throw the person who responded to the threat of assault under a bus, but completely ignore the instigator. Could it be the old ugly lets look the other way because the person who started it was white. And lets add this, the white kid admits he threw an elbow at the kid after a rebound and you can clearly see he throws another elbow at the kid going down the court. Now while the kid should have eased up on his punk @ss after he was down, the little bastard got what he deserved. HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS HANDS AND ELBOWS TO HIMSELF. Hows that for justification? Moral of the story: If you can't fight, don't pretend 😛

Man, don't you realize you lose all credibility when you make it a racial issue?

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Looks to me like the white kid picks up the ball, the black kid reaches in on him three times and at least one was probably foul-worthy, and after the second time the white kid starts pivoting and clearing out, which is what you do when people are slapping your arms trying to strip the ball and no whistles are blowing. He wasn't throwing flagrantly high elbows and aiming for heads either. There's a difference between clearing out and "throwin' 'bows" Dikembe-style.

The black kid runs back and stays slightly ahead of the white kid, bumping back into him and I assume talking sh!t the entire way (maybe both of them are), and it looks like he hooks the white kid's arm. At that point the white kid pushes him away (that's a clothesline? not a chance) and then the haymaker comes.

Maybe there was other stuff that happened before this footage, but there's plenty to see in this particular clip. I don't see anything worthy of getting decked over. What's shown there should have ended in a bunch of pushing and shoving and "hold me back" crap, and then double T's. The black kid deserves criminal punishment for wailing on an unconcious victim.

I like your description, its exactly what I saw.

I definately think that kid needs some time in juvenile detention at the least.
The problem is after he gave him the hook, the white kid was already on the ground not responding. Then the black kid gave him some more needless pounding...definately warrent some type of criminal charges.

Man, I just watches the videos 2 more times and that white kid definately play within the confine of the games.
The clearing out was not malicious.
After they got hooked up, the white kid pushed off just to get loose.
There must have been ongoing stuff before the incident.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: classy
Thats odd. Because you and many others want to throw the person who responded to the threat of assault under a bus, but completely ignore the instigator. Could it be the old ugly lets look the other way because the person who started it was white. And lets add this, the white kid admits he threw an elbow at the kid after a rebound and you can clearly see he throws another elbow at the kid going down the court. Now while the kid should have eased up on his punk @ss after he was down, the little bastard got what he deserved. HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS HANDS AND ELBOWS TO HIMSELF. Hows that for justification? Moral of the story: If you can't fight, don't pretend 😛

I didn't say anything about what I thought should happen to either of the kids here. As I said, you are only interested in justification. Your token "Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him" is clearly only there to deflect criticism as you drive home the point you're really intent on focusing on, which is that it's all pretty much the victim's fault.

See this is the bs the p!sses me off. I looked at the same damn video everyone else looked at. But guess what? Most of you failed to mentioned the "the innocent little victim" was throwing elbows? Now I wonder why that is? :roll: You tell me. The kid is throwing elbows, period, even admits it, he gets his @ss handed to him, now lets get the boy who he was throwing elbows at, because he beat @ss to bad. Give me a break. Some of yall could at least try to fake the Sh!t at least, but your so damn blatant a blind and deaf person could see your true angle. Hello, calling Helen Keller

All the other bs about me blaming the victim is preposterous.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: classy
Thats odd. Because you and many others want to throw the person who responded to the threat of assault under a bus, but completely ignore the instigator. Could it be the old ugly lets look the other way because the person who started it was white. And lets add this, the white kid admits he threw an elbow at the kid after a rebound and you can clearly see he throws another elbow at the kid going down the court. Now while the kid should have eased up on his punk @ss after he was down, the little bastard got what he deserved. HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS HANDS AND ELBOWS TO HIMSELF. Hows that for justification? Moral of the story: If you can't fight, don't pretend 😛

I didn't say anything about what I thought should happen to either of the kids here. As I said, you are only interested in justification. Your token "Now I don't condone the absolute beatdown the black kid gave him" is clearly only there to deflect criticism as you drive home the point you're really intent on focusing on, which is that it's all pretty much the victim's fault.

See this is the bs the p!sses me off. I looked at the same damn video everyone else looked at. But guess what? Most of you failed to mentioned the "the innocent little victim" was throwing elbows? Now I wonder why that is? :roll: You tell me. The kid is throwing elbows, period, even admits it, he gets his @ss handed to him, now lets get the boy who he was throwing elbows at, because he beat @ss to bad. Give me a break. Some of yall could at least try to fake the Sh!t at least, but your so damn blatant a blind and deaf person could see your true angle. Hello, calling Helen Keller

All the other bs about me blaming the victim is preposterous.

edit:

the kid is clearing out and in the process hits the other kid. accidental or not, it doesn't warrant a response attack, especially one of that magnitude.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: classy
See this is the bs the p!sses me off. I looked at the same damn video everyone else looked at. But guess what? Most of you failed to mentioned the "the innocent little victim" was throwing elbows? Now I wonder why that is? :roll: You tell me. The kid is throwing elbows, period, even admits it, he gets his @ss handed to him, now lets get the boy who he was throwing elbows at, because he beat @ss to bad. Give me a break. Some of yall could at least try to fake the Sh!t at least, but your so damn blatant a blind and deaf person could see your true angle. Hello, calling Helen Keller

All the other bs about me blaming the victim is preposterous.

I watched the video and saw only one act worthy of outrage, and that was the beating. Nobody gives a damn about "elbows" because "elbowing" isn't a big deal. You're bringing it up because of your bias, which is extremely petty, but predictable. This is a waste of time though, it always is. You're one of the thick-headed members of a forum full of thick-headed members.