On-court payback left ballplayer unconscious

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: EKKC
not to defend the dude who attacked the guy, but there was some contact, he overreacted and suckered punched the white boy

Uhh... it didn't exactly end there, Haus.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Just watched the video. If my son was the victim, I'd beat the crap out the thug right there on the court.

Mugs you're right: "kill" is a strong word. I meant what BlueWeasel said above: it would take an army (with guns) to get me off that kid. I'd put his face right through that arena floor, and I'd do it with my foot.

I figured as much. 😉

As for the chain of events, it looks like the two got tangled up at some point (unclear as to whether the tangling was intentional on the part of the black kid, but it kind of looks that way). The white kid responds with a push, and that's when the black kid haymaker's whitey and a ground-and-pound ensues.

That's what I thought. While the black kid responded with a HUGE overreaction, I don't think you can ignore the fact that the white kid started it with the push. That was a really dumb thing to do, and if they charge the black kid with assault or battery or whatever the legal term for beating the crap out of someone is, I think you'd have to charge the white kid with something to. The only way to justify letting the white kid off the hook is by saying his push was just "part of the game," even though it was completely illegal in the game. There's some debate over whether something that happens in the course of a game should subject a person to criminal prosecution - should hockey players be charged with assault if they get in a fight in a game?

Of course fighting is more a "part" of hockey than in baskeball, and the push was obviously more a "part" of the game than the beatdown. But the push instigated the beatdown, so in any other context I think the white kid would be in trouble too...

I'm just rambling mostly, but I don't agree that the black kid should be tried as an adult and put in prison for years. He certainly needs to make financial restitution for the damage he did (i.e. to the kid's braces), and he needs to be punished severely, but the kid overreacted in the heat of the moment. He's not a cold-blooded criminal.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

clothesline? I saw the two kids get tangled up some, the white kid push the black kid off and then the black kid sucker punch the white kid, throw him down and then start wailing on him. No clothesline.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

i think you are the one who is blind. the white kid DID push the black kid first, but the "clothesline" comment was talking about what the black kid did to the white kid.

and who cares about their skin color. even if you reverse it the kid who gave the other kid that severe beatdown should NO DOUBT be charged with assault.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

I pointed that out in the fourth post of the thread. Are you blind? 😉😛

 

[JulesMaximus]

That POS needs to be kicked out of school and brought up on charges immediately. :|

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

clothesline? I saw the two kids get tangled up some, the white kid push the black kid off and then the black kid sucker punch the white kid, throw him down and then start wailing on him. No clothesline.

Do you need me to define clothesline for you? Give me a break. They were barely in the paint and nowhere near the ball. They didn't get "tangled up". That's a very interesting view. I must reiterate for the ignorant out there that I am *NOT* defending the black guy. But don't add fuel to the fire by saying "I don't really get what started it. I am so confused."

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Just watched the video. If my son was the victim, I'd beat the crap out the thug right there on the court.

Mugs you're right: "kill" is a strong word. I meant what BlueWeasel said above: it would take an army (with guns) to get me off that kid. I'd put his face right through that arena floor, and I'd do it with my foot.

I figured as much. 😉

As for the chain of events, it looks like the two got tangled up at some point (unclear as to whether the tangling was intentional on the part of the black kid, but it kind of looks that way). The white kid responds with a push, and that's when the black kid haymaker's whitey and a ground-and-pound ensues.

That's what I thought. While the black kid responded with a HUGE overreaction, I don't think you can ignore the fact that the white kid started it with the push. That was a really dumb thing to do, and if they charge the black kid with assault or battery or whatever the legal term for beating the crap out of someone is, I think you'd have to charge the white kid with something to. The only way to justify letting the white kid off the hook is by saying his push was just "part of the game," even though it was completely illegal in the game. There's some debate over whether something that happens in the course of a game should subject a person to criminal prosecution - should hockey players be charged with assault if they get in a fight in a game?

Of course fighting is more a "part" of hockey than in baskeball, and the push was obviously more a "part" of the game than the beatdown. But the push instigated the beatdown, so in any other context I think the white kid would be in trouble too...

I'm just rambling mostly, but I don't agree that the black kid should be tried as an adult and put in prison for years. He certainly needs to make financial restitution for the damage he did (i.e. to the kid's braces), and he needs to be punished severely, but the kid overreacted in the heat of the moment. He's not a cold-blooded criminal.

Are you kidding? Pushing is part of the game. If you get caught, you get called a foul. It's NO EXCUSE to start pummeling someone that just fouled you. What that kid did is not comparable.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Just watched the video. If my son was the victim, I'd beat the crap out the thug right there on the court.

Mugs you're right: "kill" is a strong word. I meant what BlueWeasel said above: it would take an army (with guns) to get me off that kid. I'd put his face right through that arena floor, and I'd do it with my foot.

I figured as much. 😉

As for the chain of events, it looks like the two got tangled up at some point (unclear as to whether the tangling was intentional on the part of the black kid, but it kind of looks that way). The white kid responds with a push, and that's when the black kid haymaker's whitey and a ground-and-pound ensues.

That's what I thought. While the black kid responded with a HUGE overreaction, I don't think you can ignore the fact that the white kid started it with the push. That was a really dumb thing to do, and if they charge the black kid with assault or battery or whatever the legal term for beating the crap out of someone is, I think you'd have to charge the white kid with something to. The only way to justify letting the white kid off the hook is by saying his push was just "part of the game," even though it was completely illegal in the game. There's some debate over whether something that happens in the course of a game should subject a person to criminal prosecution - should hockey players be charged with assault if they get in a fight in a game?

Of course fighting is more a "part" of hockey than in baskeball, and the push was obviously more a "part" of the game than the beatdown. But the push instigated the beatdown, so in any other context I think the white kid would be in trouble too...

I'm just rambling mostly, but I don't agree that the black kid should be tried as an adult and put in prison for years. He certainly needs to make financial restitution for the damage he did (i.e. to the kid's braces), and he needs to be punished severely, but the kid overreacted in the heat of the moment. He's not a cold-blooded criminal.

Push=haymaker, ok that's acceptable, probably an overreaction, but when you then, get on top of the kid and keep beating on him, that IS aggravated assault. He was out, that's where the fight stops, anything else is criminal.

 

[purbeast0]

I saw the video on the local new last night. man it was very brutal. the kid kept beating the kid after he clotheslined him and knocked him unconscious. i hope he gets some type of criminal charge for that. it was pretty bad. the worst part is it was middle school.

EDIT: and i dont know what the video you guys are seeing shows, but if you see some guy go out after the son gets knocked out, it's his dad running out and falls on top of his son to protect him. he was talking about it on the new last night.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

clothesline? I saw the two kids get tangled up some, the white kid push the black kid off and then the black kid sucker punch the white kid, throw him down and then start wailing on him. No clothesline.

Do you need me to define clothesline for you? Give me a break. They were barely in the paint and nowhere near the ball. They didn't get "tangled up". That's a very interesting view. I must reiterate for the ignorant out there that I am *NOT* defending the black guy. But don't add fuel to the fire by saying "I don't really get what started it. I am so confused."

you are defending the black guy. don't play that you aren't.

we don't know what happened during the rest of the game. i'd bet they were both pushing on each other. the white kid pushed again and the black kid went ballistic.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Anghang
saw the video, its ranked #2 on the CNN top viewed videos list (#1 is the AOL Cancellation phone call)...craziness!...

if it were my son i think i would've run up and booted the guy that was beating on my son in the head, then continue to stomp on his head...the follow up stomping may not be justifiable, but nor was beating on the head of my already unconscious son laid out on the floor...

The Power of ATOT - it's now No.1

 

[EKKC]

i think those calling out the fact that the white boy did make the push first, will turn whatever trial the black kid will face into a debate on whether it was instigated or not.

how severe the punishment for the black kid will depend on how the jury react to that "instigating" punch that made minor contact. but nevertheless, the white kid initiated this. now, it was unclear if the two had more contact before the video we saw, we know that you just don't go off a guy all of a sudden, there must have been some cheap shots, elbowing, or trash talk beforehand, and the white kid grabbing the rebound, adding the push, probably pushed him over the edge.

btw ron artest didnt serve jail time for fighting a fan! this is america! you only go to jail if you're a suspected terrorist!

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

What freakin video are you watching?

They got tangled running back down the court (and it looked to me like the black kid was trying to inconpicously hold the white kid up). The white kid pushed the black kid away and the black kid DECKED and CLOTHESLINED him and then POUNDED him into oblivion.

At exactly what point did you see the white kid clothesline the black kid???

 

[altonb1]

Thug mentality and if the role was revered, this would be considered a hate crime, I'm sure.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Just watched the video. If my son was the victim, I'd beat the crap out the thug right there on the court.

Mugs you're right: "kill" is a strong word. I meant what BlueWeasel said above: it would take an army (with guns) to get me off that kid. I'd put his face right through that arena floor, and I'd do it with my foot.

I figured as much. 😉

As for the chain of events, it looks like the two got tangled up at some point (unclear as to whether the tangling was intentional on the part of the black kid, but it kind of looks that way). The white kid responds with a push, and that's when the black kid haymaker's whitey and a ground-and-pound ensues.

That's what I thought. While the black kid responded with a HUGE overreaction, I don't think you can ignore the fact that the white kid started it with the push. That was a really dumb thing to do, and if they charge the black kid with assault or battery or whatever the legal term for beating the crap out of someone is, I think you'd have to charge the white kid with something to. The only way to justify letting the white kid off the hook is by saying his push was just "part of the game," even though it was completely illegal in the game. There's some debate over whether something that happens in the course of a game should subject a person to criminal prosecution - should hockey players be charged with assault if they get in a fight in a game?

Of course fighting is more a "part" of hockey than in baskeball, and the push was obviously more a "part" of the game than the beatdown. But the push instigated the beatdown, so in any other context I think the white kid would be in trouble too...

I'm just rambling mostly, but I don't agree that the black kid should be tried as an adult and put in prison for years. He certainly needs to make financial restitution for the damage he did (i.e. to the kid's braces), and he needs to be punished severely, but the kid overreacted in the heat of the moment. He's not a cold-blooded criminal.

Push=haymaker, ok that's acceptable, probably an overreaction, but when you then, get on top of the kid and keep beating on him, that IS aggravated assault. He was out, that's where the fight stops, anything else is criminal.

I would agree. The haymaker, while still way over the line in response to an everyday push in a basketball game, can be viewed as an overreaction. The ground-and-pound, on the other hand, is CRIMINAL.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: altonb1
Thug mentality and if the role was revered, this would be considered a hate crime, I'm sure.

i was waiting for someone to say this, and it's true.

not only that "the Reverands" would probably show up. :roll:

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sygyzy
That was definitely outrageous but I think the most interesting thing is not a single person here saw the white kid clothesline the black kid. Are you blind people?

clothesline? I saw the two kids get tangled up some, the white kid push the black kid off and then the black kid sucker punch the white kid, throw him down and then start wailing on him. No clothesline.

Do you need me to define clothesline for you? Give me a break. They were barely in the paint and nowhere near the ball. They didn't get "tangled up". That's a very interesting view. I must reiterate for the ignorant out there that I am *NOT* defending the black guy. But don't add fuel to the fire by saying "I don't really get what started it. I am so confused."

Tell me exactly what point in the video the white kid clotheslined the black kid. I never said they were in the paint or near the ball. The two kids were running side by side down the court and looked like they were tangling up their arms. The white kid then pushed the black kid. The closest thing to a clothesline in the video that I see is when the black kid wraps his arm around the white kids neck and throws him down...and that was closer to a headlock than a clothesline IMHO.

 

[chambersc]

prosecute easily

 

[ViviTheMage]

link

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Just watched the video. If my son was the victim, I'd beat the crap out the thug right there on the court.

Mugs you're right: "kill" is a strong word. I meant what BlueWeasel said above: it would take an army (with guns) to get me off that kid. I'd put his face right through that arena floor, and I'd do it with my foot.

I figured as much. 😉

As for the chain of events, it looks like the two got tangled up at some point (unclear as to whether the tangling was intentional on the part of the black kid, but it kind of looks that way). The white kid responds with a push, and that's when the black kid haymaker's whitey and a ground-and-pound ensues.

That's what I thought. While the black kid responded with a HUGE overreaction, I don't think you can ignore the fact that the white kid started it with the push. That was a really dumb thing to do, and if they charge the black kid with assault or battery or whatever the legal term for beating the crap out of someone is, I think you'd have to charge the white kid with something to. The only way to justify letting the white kid off the hook is by saying his push was just "part of the game," even though it was completely illegal in the game. There's some debate over whether something that happens in the course of a game should subject a person to criminal prosecution - should hockey players be charged with assault if they get in a fight in a game?

Of course fighting is more a "part" of hockey than in baskeball, and the push was obviously more a "part" of the game than the beatdown. But the push instigated the beatdown, so in any other context I think the white kid would be in trouble too...

I'm just rambling mostly, but I don't agree that the black kid should be tried as an adult and put in prison for years. He certainly needs to make financial restitution for the damage he did (i.e. to the kid's braces), and he needs to be punished severely, but the kid overreacted in the heat of the moment. He's not a cold-blooded criminal.

I'm going to have to disagree. What the white kid did was against the rules, but he was also being bumped as he was going down the court, which is also a foul. The black kid he pushed was also the one that was pressing him when he recovered the loose ball, so the white kid might've already been pissed at what he thought was being fouled and the ref not calling it.

If he had just thrown the one punch and walked away, I'd be fine with the kid getting a flagrant and nothing more. Fights are a part of the game, it happens.

But what he proceeded to do was not a fight, and definitely not part of the game. The kid is lifeless on the ground, and the player gets in 3 good shots to the kids head. The hockey example would be more relavent if someone had just knocked a person out on the boards, and then proceeded to beat them in the head with their stick.

At the very least, the kid needs to do some community service and offer financial restitution to the family. Depending on if the kid has a history or not, they should decide whether to charge him as an adult and seek imprisonment.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JS80
Are you kidding? Pushing is part of the game. If you get caught, you get called a foul. It's NO EXCUSE to start pummeling someone that just fouled you. What that kid did is not comparable.

Jeez, did you read my post or just a few words and cobble together what you think I was saying? 😕 Just about everything you just said, I said in the post you were replying to.

Originally posted by: djheater
Push=haymaker, ok that's acceptable, probably an overreaction, but when you then, get on top of the kid and keep beating on him, that IS aggravated assault. He was out, that's where the fight stops, anything else is criminal.

I never said it wasn't an overreaction, and I never said the black kid shouldn't get in trouble. I said in any other context the white kid would be in trouble too.

 

[Skiddex]

from the wdaf website:

Kansas City, MO -- Kris Maples coaches the Wichita Youth Basketball league team that squared off against a team of 14-year-olds from Lawrence March 26th.

After being shoved, one of Maples' players clotheslined and then pummeled a player from the Lawrence team.
Home video caught it all on tape.

Maples says his player was only responding to several elbows the Lawrence player had thrown during the course of the game.

The Harvey County District Attorney's office will not say whether they plan to file criminal charges.

Steve Shaw Fox Four News.

 

[Queasy]

Maples says his player was only responding to several elbows the Lawrence player had thrown during the course of the game.

Maples should be removed as coach. Getting elbowed doesn't give you the right to sucker punch and beat a person unconcious on the ground.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Maples says his player was only responding to several elbows the Lawrence player had thrown during the course of the game.

Maples should be removed as coach. Getting elbowed doesn't give you the right to sucker punch and beat a person unconcious on the ground.

Yep. It's that exact stupid idiot mentality - of both the coach and likely his parents - that lead punks like this to believe this behavior is acceptable.