hello.
the OP shared a video. if you want to discuss the politics of the video, get the hell out of OT and post in P&N.
kthxbye.
the OP shared a video. if you want to discuss the politics of the video, get the hell out of OT and post in P&N.
kthxbye.
Anti-government, anti-neocon, etc does not equal anti-american...in fact, I would argue that those things are about as American as you can get. It's blind patriotism, elitism, etc which are anti-american.
As to why we stay, to fight to make this nation as great as it can be...to help realize the potential of a dream which began over two-hundred years ago.
Originally posted by: scottish144
THATS why we're in Afghanistan and Iraq people.
Actually, that's NOT why we're in Iraq, Afghanistan yes, but not Iraq. We went to Iraq because we believed (at the time) that Saddam had WMDs. It was not until after we were there that the Bush Administration officially released information which pointed to Saddam harboring terrorists. There was no intelligence proving this (along with the WMD 'intelligence'), so really Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, besides the fact that Iraq is in the middle of the area of the earth which produces the most amount of terrorists. We had much more intelligence pointing to Iran harboring terrorists, but Iraq was a much better political fit. If America is going to act as the World Police, then Darfur and Iran should have been 'liberated' a long time ago. Isn't it a shame those countries don't have any oil?.....
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Lifer
brigden
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Sometime soon, in the near future, Americans, and the entire World's population, will look back on this time in our shared history and shake their heads. They will marvel at the master manipulation so many have succumb to.
Regardless of whether the Bush government had sufficient knowledge of the events surrounding 9/11, regardless of how they chose to act on that intelligence; the fact remains: 9/11 was the catalyst the neo-cons needed to propel their agenda into full-throttle.
American foreign policy, your freedoms, the fates of thousands upon thousands of innocents is dictated by the desire of these people to see their narrow-minded world view realized. They will only stop once America is a unilateral superpower and American interests, at home and abroad, are secure. These interests will be secured through fear and intimidation.
The Iraq war isn't just about oil; it's about their concept of the American way of life. Invading sovereign countries is but a means to an end.
Regardless of whether the Bush government had sufficient knowledge of the events surrounding 9/11, regardless of how they chose to act on that intelligence; the fact remains: 9/11 was the catalyst the neo-cons needed to propel their agenda into full-throttle.
American foreign policy, your freedoms, the fates of thousands upon thousands of innocents is dictated by the desire of these people to see their narrow-minded world view realized. They will only stop once America is a unilateral superpower and American interests, at home and abroad, are secure. These interests will be secured through fear and intimidation.
The Iraq war isn't just about oil; it's about their concept of the American way of life. Invading sovereign countries is but a means to an end.
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if i had been in one of those towers, i woulda tried to get some ass one more time, i mean if you were trapped in a room in that situation, and there was a hot coworker...IDK, i would hope that she would agree with my views...and then i would jump out holding her hand, buck ass naked.
I definitely think there was some sort of conspiracy. I mean just watch videos of the tower collapsing and it's almost as clear as day there were explosives placed inside. I just say that Bush wasn't the conspirator, but rather other government officials. But then again, who am I to know?
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Lifer
qft. americans have become SOOOO lazy and self-gratifyingly greedy that we'd rather not deal with differing opinions, values, ethnicities, tragedies, cultures, or governments. we say, "fvck it... let's just make everyone like we are so i can be happier," and use our companies to do it. THAT'S why everyone in the world hates us... it's the americanization and raping of other historical, beautiful cultures that we do.
i know many of you bleeding heart "patriots" may disagree with me, but that's fine. i don't really care. i honestly love and embrace diversity and you can't get more american than that.
I see what you mean when you say this. Even though I disagree with you, I still respect your opinion. I don't want to make enemies because of a strong ideological difference. I hope you understand what I mean
.The thing is, you would have had no idea that the towers were fated to collapse. Only a very few structural engineers saw it coming. Are you a structural engineer?
BTW, I know of one architect who immediately said that the first tower hit was at risk of collapsing due to the heat of the burning jet fuel. He was teaching a university class and when they got word he turned on a TV and made that comment before the second plane hit. I assume that there are a good number of people who realized this, though I don't think any of the first responders got the info.
Rough way to die. Could've been worse though - fire or drowning. Not such a bad way to die in the big picture. And young men? He looked like he was at least 45 ish?
lol I say lock this thread,
"...if i had been in one of those towers, i woulda tried to get some ass one more time..."
O_O
"...if i had been in one of those towers, i woulda tried to get some ass one more time..."
O_O
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Lifer
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I see what you mean when you say this. Even though I disagree with you, I still respect your opinion. I don't want to make enemies because of a strong ideological difference. I hope you understand what I mean
totally cool, man
i think about 80% of my friends feel the same way as you, so it's all good.
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Lifer
it would actually be virtually impossible. whenever your sympathetic nervous system kicks in for the fight or flight response, you lose your boner. adrenaline is like nature's castrator. it's because whenever our caveman ancestors were getting busy with their women in caves, if a saber-toothed tiger hops into the cave, you don't want to still be sitting there having sex if you're gonna need to fight.
that's why you lose your boner whenever you're beating off to pron and someone knocks on the door.
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