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OMG, More Terrorism In Kashmir

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routan

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11296951

Shams Irfan, freelance journalist, Pampore
I live in Pampore, a small town not far from Srinagar and famous for its saffron fields. Yesterday three people were killed by the police during protests against the desecration of the Koran.
I left my hometown to go to Delhi for work a couple of days ago, but when I spoke to my father on the phone I could hear gunfire. In the middle of our conversation, a shell landed close to our front door. My cousin was injured. Someone I have known since my childhood was also killed.
I am a journalist working for a weekly magazine. There have been huge restrictions on all Kashmiri media in the past few months. Our magazine was shut down again for two days.

They say the newspapers are creating the problems, but newspapers only tell the truth and that is what they don't want to hear.
We have to be careful not just about what we write in our articles, but also what we say on Facebook and other social networking sites. People have been rounded up by local security forces for saying things on Facebook.
Kashmiris are sentimental people. If anything happens around the world with the Koran - they will be against it.
But the underlying anger is really against the unlawful and cruel Indian rule that has been pushing the otherwise peaceful people of Kashmir towards such "violent" protests. It is against the unnecessary fortification of Kashmir by Indian troops that causes real friction.
Why do we need a one million-strong Indian army here? To fight against the estimated 500 active militants who haven't done anything major for the past three or four years? Those who get killed are not Pakistan-sponsored terrorists, they are normal people like you and me. They are not on the streets because some jihadi in Pakistan is guiding them, they are out because they are fed up with the suffocating Indian rule.
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Two more stories in the link provided.

Of course, with AT, every finger will point towards the Muslim majority country in the neighborhood.

What will be the majority opinion now... this whole drama was incited by Pakistan? Kashmiris want to remain as Indians? The protestors were "terrorists"? lol
 
routan said:
arent you the point fingers to everyone else guy? haha
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Pointing finger is not trolling, trolling is an art that you have mastered over the years (yup, I said it and I mean it), I am nothing compared to you. And I do not point finger at "everyone else" guy I just point finger at "ppl like you"
 
DesiPower said:
Pointing finger is not trolling, trolling is an art that you have mastered over the years (yup, I said it and I mean it), I am nothing compared to you. And I do not point finger at "everyone else" guy I just point finger at "ppl like you"
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lol. stop being an idiot. ganesh commmands you
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DesiPower said:
That's what Pakistanis do, aint it? Force Kashmirs to help terrorists or die? Stop posting troll threads.
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doesnt look like the comments from the link refer to anyone helping them. as expected, you have yet again pointed fingers elsewhere. According to you, either the deaths didnt happen, or Pakistan held the police/soliders hands to fire on the protestors. Maoists from China. Media and political propaganda. you are a right tool. best to ignore tools. post away, i cant be bothered to reply to morons.
 
routan said:
doesnt look like the comments from the link refer to anyone helping them. as expected, you have yet again pointed fingers elsewhere. According to you, either the deaths didnt happen, or Pakistan held the police/soliders hands to fire on the protestors. Maoists from China. Media and political propaganda. you are a right tool. best to ignore tools. post away, i cant be bothered to reply to morons.
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But you constantly are... you created this new ID 3 days back and already racked up 90+ trolls.

Why do you want to ignore the fact that problem in Kashmir is created by pak? It will be a peaceful place as soon as you leave that place and stop inciting them about "independence". They have more freedom than they would ever have under Pakistan. The only reason they are "imprisoned" is because there are terrorists hiding amongst them. You Pakistanis leave and Indian army will restore the normalcy.
That brings me to the next point, the underlying problem is that pakis are cowards, they don't have the balls to come out and fight, after loosing 2 wars now they are showing their true colors. They hide amongst women and children and fight. Real Muslims like the Arabs are not cowards, Islam came out of Arab and real Arab ppl they then started spreading their religion, when they came to Indian subcontinent, they started converting Indians by force, now the weak and feeble got converted, the strong and braves either dies or stayed Hindu, so now all these ppl with weak genes migrated to Pak during partition and now they hide behind Kashmir's and fight their wars, if they came out and fought like real men we would not have this problem.

Even the Arabs know about the weaker Muslims in Pakistan, Indians get Visas to Arab countries more easily than Pakistanis, coz they don't want low grade humans in their country,
 
The place is a friggin war zone. Its been infiltrated so many times that the security forces are trigger happy. its going to take time for peace to take hold, with the atmosphere of distrust that's pervading the place.

As for why there's a strong indian army presence, if a certain islamic country hadn't constantly tried to infiltrate and attack (as recently as ten years ago) cough kargil cough maybe there wouldn't need to be said presence
 
The linked article is an opinion piece, and not hard journalism. Statements like the following make it difficult to believe that the rest of the article isn't highly slanted towards the writer's point of view. I think most intelligent people would realize that articles that don't present both sides are pretty much worthless. Just sayin'

They say the newspapers are creating the problems, but newspapers only tell the truth and that is what they don't want to hear.
 
Why do the Indians want Kashmir if it is so much trouble? Does it provide lots of revenue via taxes or natural resources? As a buffer against other states? To prevent it from being used as a staging area for attacks against India proper? Fearing that other provinces will demand independence if that one is granted self-determination? Fearing that the inhabitants will mistreat Hindus if they withdraw?
 
Schadenfroh said:
Why do the Indians want Kashmir if it is so much trouble? Does it provide lots of revenue via taxes or natural resources? As a buffer against other states? To prevent it from being used as a staging area for attacks against India proper? Fearing that other provinces will demand independence if that one is granted self-determination? Fearing that the inhabitants will mistreat Hindus if they withdraw?
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This
 
NuclearNed said:
The linked article is an opinion piece, and not hard journalism. Statements like the following make it difficult to believe that the rest of the article isn't highly slanted towards the writer's point of view. I think most intelligent people would realize that articles that don't present both sides are pretty much worthless. Just sayin'

They say the newspapers are creating the problems, but newspapers only tell the truth and that is what they don't want to hear.
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Hard journalism is difficult where restrictions are placed by the government. You italicised quote is testament to that.
 
nixium said:
The place is a friggin war zone. Its been infiltrated so many times that the security forces are trigger happy. its going to take time for peace to take hold, with the atmosphere of distrust that's pervading the place.

As for why there's a strong indian army presence, if a certain islamic country hadn't constantly tried to infiltrate and attack (as recently as ten years ago) cough kargil cough maybe there wouldn't need to be said presence
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Fair enough. I will agree to the point that certain Islamic country has caused considerable if not most damage to the region.

However, if that was the entire cause of discontent, would India need a blanket protection on its armed forces? That is completely contrary to protection of Kashmiris - that India claims to be Indian citizens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11308539

It will decide whether to lift 20-year-old emergency laws that shield Indian forces from prosecution.
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Even the government has not blamed the certain Islamic country for this years violence. Very positive sign. :thumbsup:
 
Schadenfroh said:
Why do the Indians want Kashmir if it is so much trouble? Does it provide lots of revenue via taxes or natural resources? As a buffer against other states? To prevent it from being used as a staging area for attacks against India proper? Fearing that other provinces will demand independence if that one is granted self-determination? Fearing that the inhabitants will mistreat Hindus if they withdraw?
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Probably the same reason American's would want Alabama back if China took it from us 😀
 
yasasvy said:
This.
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uh, the border between the two countries is massive. Very stupid suggestion that any armed venture would go through a mountaineous region to then reach a flat terrain (to be completely visible), and then proceed to attack.

the map of India is below. Ridiculous suggestion that any major city in India is closer to Kashmir region than mainland Pakistan

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routan said:
Hard journalism is difficult where restrictions are placed by the government. You italicised quote is testament to that.
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That doesn't change the fact that your linked article is largely opinion, and thus worthless for anything other than fluffy entertainment.
 
NuclearNed said:
That doesn't change the fact that your linked article is largely opinion, and thus worthless for anything other than fluffy entertainment.
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uh, i didnt present it as "news". Even "news" will bring a slant to events. I posted this article to present voices of the people of Kashmir, so that people sitting on their couches posting away "facts" about a far off region are aware of the ground realities the people on the ground face.
 
routan said:
uh, the border between the two countries is massive. Very stupid suggestion that any armed venture would go through a mountaineous region to then reach a flat terrain (to be completely visible), and then proceed to attack. the map of India is below. Ridiculous suggestion that any major city in India is closer to Kashmir region than mainland Pakistan
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Moron, you have no sense of reality. Why do you think India spends millions of dollars on a single base on top of Siachen. It is also the worlds highest military base.

Have you ever read anything about Kargil war, and how it was fought?

It is easier to infiltrate into main land using the cover of mountains. Have you even wondered why is it taking so freaking long to catch a man known as Osama?
There is more probability that he will die of natural causes than by America/NATO bullets.
 
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