OMG! Hillary pulls way out in front in the Super Tuesday polls!!

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I am just telling it like it is. If Obama wants to be the candidate for African Americans, he may alienate other ethnic groups. I think we saw that in play in Nevada where he lost the Hispanic vote big time.

How about I play one of your usual ugly bigot cards and ask what makes you believe that hispanics will actually vote for a woman? :roll:

They did in Nevada. I am not playing any cards, I am just commenting on what has already happened.
Hillary bashers are the ones trying to make it as if Obamas support among African Americans is his salvation, seems like race card to me.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hillary would be the best gift the Republicans could hope for come November. Want to get every churchgoer in the US to vote? Tell them another Clinton is running for president, they'll vote for the Republican even if it was Satan himself.

That's because if you ask a Democrat, they'll tell you Satan is a Bush. If you ask a Republican, they'll tell you Satan is a Clinton. And for 20 f-ing years this has been the single most dominating issue in American politics, and I am sick of it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I am just telling it like it is. If Obama wants to be the candidate for African Americans, he may alienate other ethnic groups. I think we saw that in play in Nevada where he lost the Hispanic vote big time.

How about I play one of your usual ugly bigot cards and ask what makes you believe that hispanics will actually vote for a woman? :roll:

They did in Nevada. I am not playing any cards, I am just commenting on what has already happened.
Hillary bashers are the ones trying to make it as if Obamas support among African Americans is his salvation, seems like race card to me.

Spin spin spin it just don't stop. Hillary won in Nevada by silencing the unions.

Obama's broad bipartisan support is his salvation. That he happens to be black is IMO purely incidental.

 

[jman19]

Maybe if the OP contained up-to-date poll numbers this thread wouldn't be a total troll, but alas...

Oh, and senseamp, your ignorance is showing.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic
Spin spin spin it just don't stop. Hillary won in Nevada by silencing the unions.
Obama's broad bipartisan support is his salvation. That he happens to be black is IMO purely incidental.

Another baseless accusation by you like the one with HMOs being her biggest donor?
Hillary hating is strong with you. You need to relax. The Clintons know how to run this country properly, you have nothing to worry about, no matter what the rightwing paranoia machine is saying.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I am just telling it like it is. If Obama wants to be the candidate for African Americans, he may alienate other ethnic groups. I think we saw that in play in Nevada where he lost the Hispanic vote big time.

How about I play one of your usual ugly bigot cards and ask what makes you believe that hispanics will actually vote for a woman? :roll:

They did in Nevada. I am not playing any cards, I am just commenting on what has already happened.
Hillary bashers are the ones trying to make it as if Obamas support among African Americans is his salvation, seems like race card to me.

Spin spin spin it just don't stop. Hillary won in Nevada by silencing the unions.

Obama's broad bipartisan support is his salvation. That he happens to be black is IMO purely incidental.

And lets not forget that while Hillary won the popular vote, Obama eeked out a 1 delegate lead.

Actually when it comes down to it, Obama has more delegates from the Primaries and Caucuses. Whats giving Hillary the delegates she has are the Super Delegates. Delegates from inside the beltway.

I will say now, the Super Delegates are what will decide it, since the Dems have proportional representation in all of their primaries. Reps and Senators will ultimately decide who gets the Dem nominee, not the people. The Dems really need to do away with the Super Delegate crap.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic
Spin spin spin it just don't stop. Hillary won in Nevada by silencing the unions.
Obama's broad bipartisan support is his salvation. That he happens to be black is IMO purely incidental.

Another baseless accusation by you like the one with HMOs being her biggest donor?
Hillary hating is strong with you. You need to relax. The Clintons know how to run this country properly, you have nothing to worry about, no matter what the rightwing paranoia machine is saying.

Baseless? That's not what the Culinary Workers Union is saying. Text
I already addressed the issue and proven that the HMOs have given Hillary more money than any other candidate.

Next, I know that the various blogs and slanted internet sources tell you that the best way to attack people who are supporting another candidate is to claim that they "hate" your candidate. Professional politicos, however, would tell you that that is a recipe for disaster.
I don't "hate" Hillary. I'm sure she's a fine President. I don't have to "hate" anyone to not want them to hold the highest office in the land. That's something that a person earns, not acquires by default.
Nor am I concerned about Bill's ability to run this country, as I voted for him in both 92 and 96. But OTOH that's the point right there. What I do want is for someone NEW to run this country. Someone who will not be just fodder for the partisan hacks to squabble over. Someone who is NOT a Bush or a Clinton. 20 years of that has been 8 years too many. And it's not the "rightwing paranoia machine" that is saying this. It's the American people.

Look around you.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Jesse Jackson in 1988 won 11 primaries and caucuses including SC (and Michigan, VA, Deleware, etc.). Didn't mean much as Dukakis was the front runner by then. Hillary Clinton is no Dukakis. She will have the best Democratic strategist of our lifetime in Bill Clinton in her corner.

SC is next. Hillary is already conceding that state to Obama. Then comes the non-contest in Florida where everyone has pledged not to campaign but where Hillary Clinton is up by 20 points.

Then comes Super Tuesday.

Clinton is up 12% in California where early/absentee voting is good for Clinton as she has the lead and can bank those voters.
Clinton is up 26% in New York.
Clinton is up 20% and Obama is in third place in Oklahoma
Clinton is up by 14% in Connecticut
Clinton is up 12% in New Jersey
Clinton is up 37% in Massachusetts
Edit to add : Clinton is up by 24 points in Arizona.
Edit to add: Clinton is up 15 points in Alabama
and 19 in Missouri


Obama leads by 6% in Georgia



Basically, Clinton has a tight grip in the Northeast. Obama needs to cut into her lead there. Obama needs to do well in the midwest like Minnesota, Kansas and Missouri (not much polling there) and he needs to cut into her lead in California where she is strong with unions, females and Latinos (who will also be critical in other Feb. 5 states like NM, AZ and CO). I am okay with either candidate but it looks like Clinton clearly has the advantage going into Feb. 5.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic
Spin spin spin it just don't stop. Hillary won in Nevada by silencing the unions.
Obama's broad bipartisan support is his salvation. That he happens to be black is IMO purely incidental.

Another baseless accusation by you like the one with HMOs being her biggest donor?
Hillary hating is strong with you. You need to relax. The Clintons know how to run this country properly, you have nothing to worry about, no matter what the rightwing paranoia machine is saying.

Baseless? That's not what the Culinary Workers Union is saying. Text
I already addressed the issue and proven that the HMOs have given Hillary more money than any other candidate.

Next, I know that the various blogs and slanted internet sources tell you that the best way to attack people who are supporting another candidate is to claim that they "hate" your candidate. Professional politicos, however, would tell you that that is a recipe for disaster.
I don't "hate" Hillary. I'm sure she's a fine President. I don't have to "hate" anyone to not want them to hold the highest office in the land. That's something that a person earns, not acquires by default.
Nor am I concerned about Bill's ability to run this country, as I voted for him in both 92 and 96. But OTOH that's the point right there. What I do want is for someone NEW to run this country. Someone who will not be just fodder for the partisan hacks to squabble over. Someone who is NOT a Bush or a Clinton. 20 years of that has been 8 years too many. And it's not the "rightwing paranoia machine" that is saying this. It's the American people.

Look around you.

Culinary workers are Obama supporters. They are just peeved they couldn't play kingmaker this time. They couldn't turn out their people for Obama, which diminished their perceived power, so now they want to come up with excuses. How can they be taken seriously if they can't even turn out their people to vote?
I don't discriminate against Hillary just because she is a Clinton. To me it's a plus. My problem with w/ isn't that he is a Bush, but that he is an idiot.
Also, many groups have given more money to Hillary than any other candidate. Maybe because she has wide ranging support among all sorts of people and careers, or maybe because people like to back winners. Probably a little bit of both.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Jesse Jackson in 1988 won 11 primaries and caucuses including SC (and Michigan, VA, Deleware, etc.). Didn't mean much as Dukakis was the front runner by then. Hillary Clinton is no Dukakis. She will have the best Democratic strategist of our lifetime in Bill Clinton in her corner.

SC is next. Hillary is already conceding that state to Obama. Then comes the non-contest in Florida where everyone has pledged not to campaign but where Hillary Clinton is up by 30 points.

Then comes Super Tuesday.

Clinton is up 12% in California where early/absentee voting is good for Clinton as she has the lead and can bank those voters.
Clinton is up 26% in New YorkNY.
Clinton is up 20% and Obama is in third place in Oklahoma
Clinton is up by 14% in Connecticut
Clinton is up 12% in New Jersey
Clinton is up 33% in Massachusetts

QFT


Clinton is basically tied with Obama in Alabama
and Georgia


Basically, Clinton has a tight grip in the Northeast. Obama needs to cut into her lead there. Obama needs to do well in the midwest like Minnesota, Kansas and Missouri (not much polling there) and he needs to cut into her lead in California where she is strong with unions, females and Latinos (who will also be critical in other Feb. 5 states like NM, AZ and CO). I am okay with either candidate but it looks like Clinton clearly has the advantage going into Feb. 5.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Culinary workers are Obama supporters. They are just peeved they couldn't play kingmaker this time. They couldn't turn out their people for Obama, which diminished their perceived power, so now they want to come up with excuses. How can they be taken seriously if they can't even turn out their people to vote?
I don't discriminate against Hillary just because she is a Clinton. To me it's a plus. My problem with w/ isn't that he is a Bush, but that he is an idiot.
Also, many groups have given more money to Hillary than any other candidate. Maybe because she has wide ranging support among all sorts of people and careers, or maybe because people like to back winners. Probably a little bit of both.

Oooookay. How'd he lock up that one, bang Rachel Ray on videotape?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Culinary workers are Obama supporters. They are just peeved they couldn't play kingmaker this time. They couldn't turn out their people for Obama, which diminished their perceived power, so now they want to come up with excuses. How can they be taken seriously if they can't even turn out their people to vote?
I don't discriminate against Hillary just because she is a Clinton. To me it's a plus. My problem with w/ isn't that he is a Bush, but that he is an idiot.
Also, many groups have given more money to Hillary than any other candidate. Maybe because she has wide ranging support among all sorts of people and careers, or maybe because people like to back winners. Probably a little bit of both.

Oooookay. How'd he lock up that one, bang Rachel Ray on videotape?

They endorsed him, but they couldn't turn their people out for him, inspite of special caucus sites set up just for them.
How do you think that makes them look? Weak and pathetic, not an image that is helpful if you are a union. So of course now they are coming up with excuses. Union organizers complaining that Hillary suppressed their vote? I mean it's just laughable. They have much more power over their member employees than Hillary does, and they let Hillary suppress their vote? They are either pathetic losers or pathetic liars.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I don't see how his statement is a bad one at all. He actually makes a good point in that any would-be candidate has to appeal to all Americans point blank. If all Obama can appeal to and get is the black vote then I don't see him getting anywhere fast. Just the black vote alone is not enough to win a presidential election let alone a primary. It's just basic math in the end.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I don't see how his statement is a bad one at all. He actually makes a good point in that any would be candidate has to appeal to all Americans point blank. If all Obama can appeal to and get is the black vote then I don't see him getting anywhere fast as the just the black vote alone is not enough to win a presidential election let alone a primary.

Agreed.
In fact, most people can't think of one good thing Obama did as a Senator or even name one of his campaign positions, outside of his get us out of Iraq position.
Obama is too young and inexperienced. He has run a great campaign, but he needs to get out before he is inexperience makes him look foolish.
It is critical Obama withdraw shortly after Super Tuesday if he wants any future in the Democratic party.

 

[theeedude]

I don't think he needs to withdraw, but he needs to stop bashing Hillary, that's for sure. Seriously, it doesn't help him anyways. If he resorts to the politics as usual, it detracts from his main selling point of being above the fray. Of course, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but that's because he set himself up as the holier than thou demagogue candidate. He has only himself to blame.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I don't see how his statement is a bad one at all. He actually makes a good point in that any would be candidate has to appeal to all Americans point blank. If all Obama can appeal to and get is the black vote then I don't see him getting anywhere fast as the just the black vote alone is not enough to win a presidential election let alone a primary.

Agreed.
In fact, most people can't think of one good thing Obama did as a Senator or even name one of his campaign positions, outside of his get us out of Iraq position.
Obama is too young and inexperienced. He has run a great campaign, but he needs to get out before he is inexperience makes him look foolish.
It is critical Obama withdraw shortly after Super Tuesday if he wants any future in the Democratic party.

Obama haters: "Doesn't that 'boy' know his place?" :frown:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I don't think he needs to withdraw, but he needs to stop bashing Hillary, that's for sure. Seriously, it doesn't help him anyways. If he resorts to the politics as usual, it detracts from his main selling point of being above the fray. Of course, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but that's because he set himself up as the holier than thou demagogue candidate. He has only himself to blame.

Is that a joke?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I don't see how his statement is a bad one at all. He actually makes a good point in that any would be candidate has to appeal to all Americans point blank. If all Obama can appeal to and get is the black vote then I don't see him getting anywhere fast as the just the black vote alone is not enough to win a presidential election let alone a primary.

Agreed.
In fact, most people can't think of one good thing Obama did as a Senator or even name one of his campaign positions, outside of his get us out of Iraq position.
Obama is too young and inexperienced. He has run a great campaign, but he needs to get out before he is inexperience makes him look foolish.
It is critical Obama withdraw shortly after Super Tuesday if he wants any future in the Democratic party.

Obama haters: "Doesn't that 'boy' know his place?" :frown:

Still with the race baiting trolling? Noone is biting.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I don't see how his statement is a bad one at all. He actually makes a good point in that any would be candidate has to appeal to all Americans point blank. If all Obama can appeal to and get is the black vote then I don't see him getting anywhere fast as the just the black vote alone is not enough to win a presidential election let alone a primary.

Agreed.
In fact, most people can't think of one good thing Obama did as a Senator or even name one of his campaign positions, outside of his get us out of Iraq position.
Obama is too young and inexperienced. He has run a great campaign, but he needs to get out before he is inexperience makes him look foolish.
It is critical Obama withdraw shortly after Super Tuesday if he wants any future in the Democratic party.

Obama haters: "Doesn't that 'boy' know his place?" :frown:

Still with the race baiting trolling? Noone is biting.

No, you're just trying to cover up the obvious. Look at the comments from you and techs in this thread. He better drop out if he knows what's good for him. America would never vote for a black President. The African American vote is meaningless. Etc. and so forth.

In the meantime, everyone who doesn't give toe the line to Hillary is a Hillary "hater." Winning plan there!

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

SC is throwaway state, it never votes Democrat anyways. Honestly noone cares about it except the media.

What South Carolina represents is a growing movement of political engagement by the African American community...in past years, candidates like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were not viable because they did not attract white voters, and black voters were not as engaged in the nomination process.

Obama is the first viable African American Presidential candidate, and black voters are starting to take notice.

An overwhelming victory in S.C. could change the polling and support base for Obama going into Super Tuesday...especially in the South, and yes, even in NY.

Sounds pretty desperate if he's tying his fortunes to the black vote in South Carolina.
He has to be careful of not becoming the African-American candidate like Jesse Jackson and alienating whites and Hispanics.

There's like no low too low for you to sink to, is there?

I don't see how his statement is a bad one at all. He actually makes a good point in that any would be candidate has to appeal to all Americans point blank. If all Obama can appeal to and get is the black vote then I don't see him getting anywhere fast as the just the black vote alone is not enough to win a presidential election let alone a primary.

Agreed.
In fact, most people can't think of one good thing Obama did as a Senator or even name one of his campaign positions, outside of his get us out of Iraq position.
Obama is too young and inexperienced. He has run a great campaign, but he needs to get out before he is inexperience makes him look foolish.
It is critical Obama withdraw shortly after Super Tuesday if he wants any future in the Democratic party.

Obama haters: "Doesn't that 'boy' know his place?" :frown:

Still with the race baiting trolling? Noone is biting.

No, you're just trying to cover up the obvious. Look at the comments from you and techs in this thread. He better drop out if he knows what's good for him. America would never vote for a black President. The African American vote is meaningless. Etc. and so forth.

That's your opinion, stop trying to assign it to others

In the meantime, everyone who doesn't give toe the line to Hillary is a Hillary "hater." Winning plan there!

Not everyone is Hillary hater, but you certainly are.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Not everyone is Hillary hater, but you certainly are.

Not at all. I made my position on this clear years ago. You could search here clear back to 2005 and I bet you could find a post from me saying something to this effect: I don't know who I will vote for in 2008, but their last name will not be either Bush or Clinton.
And my position hasn't changed in all that time. Nor will it. In fact, I'll expand on it. If I live to be 100, I will never vote for a Clinton or a Bush for President again. Not for Hillary, not for Jeb, not for Chelsea, not for George P., none of them. Those 2 families have had their chance.
So how does that make me a Hillary "hater"?

Now, I've always been clear about the fact that I don't like you, but that's because you're a typical brainwashed line-toeing hack who's only real interest is not in the good of the country but in a agenda of continuously perpetuating partisan hatred. So it's no surprise to me to find you backing the most divisive candidate out there, especially when I'm backing a candidate with a very similar agenda but who enjoys a reasonable amount of bipartisan support.
It just goes to show what I've always believed about you and your ilk. It's not about health care for you, or ending the war in Iraq, or any of that. It's about pissing off the wingnuts. You'll pardon me if I'm fully sick of that childish crap.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp
Not everyone is Hillary hater, but you certainly are.

Not at all. I made my position on this clear years ago. You could search here clear back to 2005 and I bet you could find a post from me saying something to this effect: I don't know who I will vote for in 2008, but their last name will not be either Bush or Clinton.
And my position hasn't changed in all that time. Nor will it. In fact, I'll expand on it. If I live to be 100, I will never vote for a Clinton or a Bush for President again. Not for Hillary, not for Jeb, not for Chelsea, not for George P., none of them. Those 2 families have had their chance.
So how does that make me a Hillary "hater"?

Now, I've always been clear about the fact that I don't like you, but that's because you're a typical brainwashed line-toeing hack who's only real interest is not in the good of the country but in a agenda of continuously perpetuating partisan hatred. So it's no surprise to me to find you backing the most divisive candidate out there, especially when I'm backing a candidate with a very similar agenda but who enjoys a reasonable amount of bipartisan support.
It just goes to show what I've always believed about you and your ilk. It's not about health care for you, or ending the war in Iraq, or any of that. It's about pissing off the wingnuts. You'll pardon me if I'm fully sick of that childish crap.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[theeedude]

That's your call, you don't have to vote for who you don't want to. I'll vote for who I think is the best candidate, regardless of their last name.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your call, you don't have to vote for who you don't want to. I'll vote for who I think is the best candidate, regardless of their last name.

So how is she the best candidate?

Tell me that.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp
Not everyone is Hillary hater, but you certainly are.

Not at all. I made my position on this clear years ago. You could search here clear back to 2005 and I bet you could find a post from me saying something to this effect: I don't know who I will vote for in 2008, but their last name will not be either Bush or Clinton.
And my position hasn't changed in all that time. Nor will it. In fact, I'll expand on it. If I live to be 100, I will never vote for a Clinton or a Bush for President again. Not for Hillary, not for Jeb, not for Chelsea, not for George P., none of them. Those 2 families have had their chance.
So how does that make me a Hillary "hater"?

Now, I've always been clear about the fact that I don't like you, but that's because you're a typical brainwashed line-toeing hack who's only real interest is not in the good of the country but in a agenda of continuously perpetuating partisan hatred. So it's no surprise to me to find you backing the most divisive candidate out there, especially when I'm backing a candidate with a very similar agenda but who enjoys a reasonable amount of bipartisan support.
It just goes to show what I've always believed about you and your ilk. It's not about health care for you, or ending the war in Iraq, or any of that. It's about pissing off the wingnuts. You'll pardon me if I'm fully sick of that childish crap.

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