OMG! Hillary pulls way out in front in the Super Tuesday polls!!

[jonks]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Just in case anyone wasn't sure how much of a moron the OP is...

Super Tuesday Won't Decide Nominations

WASHINGTON (AP) - Don't look to crown any presidential nominees on Super Tuesday. The race for delegates is so close in both parties that it is mathematically impossible for any candidate to lock up the nomination on Feb. 5, according to an Associated Press analysis of the states in play that day.
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Maybe mathematically it isn't possible, but so what? In most election years the nominee gains momentum and by the 4th or 5th primary the nom is pretty much decided anyway even though mathematically only a few % of nationwide delegates have been accounted for.

To illustrate, for argument's sake, say Hillary does in fact win every single delegate at play during Super Tuesday. No, she doesn't have enough of them to declare victory, but in order for her to lose the nom, Obama would have to win every single delegate in the remaining states without Hillary getting any. Not likely.

If there is a very large split in delegates on Super Tuesay in favor of either Clinton or Obama, I'd expect the other to bow out to ensure party unity as soon as possible. If however the votes remain very close in each state and the delegates more or less evenly split, then by all means take it all the way to the DNC.

 

[Pabster]

Kerry actually was an early clincher in 2004.

Like it or not, Feb 5 isn't going to be the end point.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Kerry actually was an early clincher in 2004.

Like it or not, Feb 5 isn't going to be the end point.

Depends on what the super delegates say. They are currently saying they'll wait for the vote in their state to make an endorsement. Presumably once their state votes, we'll find out who they endorse relatively quickly, and it will be the end.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: techs


Yeah conservative support for Obama! That's the funniest thing I ever heard. WTF? Why would anyone support someone with the views furthest from their own?
Oh, thats right, to support the candidate with the least chance of beating your candidate.

I think the Republicans are beyond desperate. Their party should be put on a suicide watch!

good god stop posting.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Hillary is inevitable. Learn it, Love it!.

this sounds borderline Orwellian.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: senseamp


Still with the race baiting trolling? Noone is biting.

actually it was you doing the race bait trolling and he bit.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I will never underestimate the ability of the Dems to nominate the worst Candidate.

I'd vote for Obama over any Republican.

I'd vote for any Republican over Hillary.

Looks like I might be voting (R).


After the smears the last couple weeks I think alot of Obama supporters are not going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nom.

A lot of his "supporters" are not going to vote for him if he gets the nom either
They are just using him to try to stop Hillary before it's too late for them.

why would they be trying to stop hillary? It's the best present they could get since nader.

 

[jman19]

I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

My sentiments exactly except that I would include all Hildebeast Fanatics!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

 

[StageLeft]

The only two candidates I've seen a zealot following for were Ron Paul and Hillary. Why do some of these Hillary-lovers so badly want it to be here and not Obama? Is it just to rub it in the faces of Republicans, who hate Hillary? Is Obama bad by definition because some republicans actually would vote for him (and they're not just saying that as a facade)?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

Yes, you are probably pissing off people like that, but you are also pissing off people like me as well. Its already been covered in this thread, but alienating people who disagree with you isn't going to get you very far in the long run.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

Yes, you are probably pissing off people like that, but you are also pissing off people like me as well. Its already been covered in this thread, but alienating people who disagree with you isn't going to get you very far in the long run.

Well, define long run? Is it more than 8 years? Not that I'd want the next pres to emulate Bush, but he's pretty much had his way on nearly everything except when he ran up against 90% of everyone in washington (Harriet Myers). And he's been pissing people off since before he was innagurated.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

That's fine, but she isn't going to win the general election that way.

Haven't we learned that being polarized does NOT help policy making and execution?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

He's ignoring those people. That's the point. What does Hillary gain by polarizing that minority, and consequently including them in the process? More importantly, what does the country gain?

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Pabster
^^ That article is sure to be a stake right through Team Clinton. :laugh:

just because the number of delegates required to clinch the nomination isn't enough on Feb 5 doesn't necessarily mean that those 20 states won't decide the nomination. If for example, Clinton wins outright almost everywhere (northeast, midwest (except IL) and southwest and California), Obama may quit the race even if he has lots of delegates. Obama has to demonstrate that he can win somewhere i.e. midwest. If the states are more split, then of course the race goes on. But if Clinton wins the vast majority of states, Obama may quit and then Clinton goes on to win the rest of the primaries.

 

[jonks]

Hey look, Pabster started a 527 group:

http://www.citizensunitednottimid.org/

Little pushes women's buttons harder than the C bomb. Keep up the hate and all it does is add to her support. That said, the chick modeling the shirt has a ridonculus body :laugh:

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I will never underestimate the ability of the Dems to nominate the worst Candidate.

I'd vote for Obama over any Republican.

I'd vote for any Republican over Hillary.

Looks like I might be voting (R).


After the smears the last couple weeks I think alot of Obama supporters are not going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nom.

A lot of his "supporters" are not going to vote for him if he gets the nom either
They are just using him to try to stop Hillary before it's too late for them.

why would they be trying to stop hillary? It's the best present they could get since nader.

Except she'll win.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

I believe the thinking demonstrated above is a large part of our current problem in the USA.

Whatever happened to such concepts as agreeing to disagree, respecting the viewpoint of those with whom you disagree, and politics being largely the art compromise?

Instead, we see far too much fighting in DC. A process of demonizing those whom we disagree with. The stirring up of animosity with people on different sides of an issue. Making the populace victims of the "conquer & divide" strategy where only polititions and their party benefit at the expense of the country.

It's a real warping of the concept of freedom of speech too. For those with an opinion we don't agree with, we're suppose to defend their right to hold it. Not demonize every person who doen't agree with us.

We'll never drop the bitterness, only increase it by cavalierly "pissing off" people with opinions different from ours. We'll still cycle back & forth between whichever party is in power, only each time one reaquires power they will be even more bitter; how is that possibly helpful in any way for those of us outside of the Beltway?

Demonizing your opponent should be but a small tool in politics - such as using it at the appropriate time to help get out the vote. Not your constant obsession ("reason d'etre") as with Hillary.

I suppose we're just seeing how the political activist of the 60's (baby-boomers) behave once they become the "establishment".

Fern

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

I believe the thinking demonstrated above is a large part of our current problem in the USA.

Whatever happened to such concepts as agreeing to disagree, respecting the viewpoint of those with whom you disagree, and politics being largely the art compromise?

Instead, we see far too much fighting in DC. A process of demonizing those whom we disagree with. The stirring up of animosity with people on different sides of an issue. Making the populace victims of the "conquer & divide" strategy where only polititions and their party benefit at the expense of the country.

It's a real warping of the concept of freedom of speech too. For those with an opinion we don't agree with, we're suppose to defend their right to hold it. Not demonize every person who doen't agree with us.

We'll never drop the bitterness, only increase it by cavalierly "pissing off" people with opinions different from ours. We'll still cycle back & forth between whichever party is in power, only each time one reaquires power they will be even more bitter; how is that possibly helpful in any way for those of us outside of the Beltway?

Demonizing your opponent should be but a small tool in politics - such as using it at the appropriate time to help get out the vote. Not your constant obsession ("reason d'etre") as with Hillary.

I suppose we're just seeing how the political activist of the 60's (baby-boomers) behave once they become the "establishment".

Fern

Well said, and sadly applies equally to both sides of the aisle.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I will never underestimate the ability of the Dems to nominate the worst Candidate.

I'd vote for Obama over any Republican.

I'd vote for any Republican over Hillary.

Looks like I might be voting (R).


After the smears the last couple weeks I think alot of Obama supporters are not going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nom.

A lot of his "supporters" are not going to vote for him if he gets the nom either
They are just using him to try to stop Hillary before it's too late for them.

why would they be trying to stop hillary? It's the best present they could get since nader.

Except she'll win.

I'm not quite so sure why you are excited about Hillary. Is there something about 4 more years of run away spending and a pro-war effort that you like?

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I will never underestimate the ability of the Dems to nominate the worst Candidate.

I'd vote for Obama over any Republican.

I'd vote for any Republican over Hillary.

Looks like I might be voting (R).


After the smears the last couple weeks I think alot of Obama supporters are not going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nom.

A lot of his "supporters" are not going to vote for him if he gets the nom either
They are just using him to try to stop Hillary before it's too late for them.

why would they be trying to stop hillary? It's the best present they could get since nader.

Except she'll win the nomination and lose the election.

Fixed.

If only half the independents and Republicans supporting Obama actually vote for him in November that is still millions of votes Hillary will never get. Get it through your head. Most Americans will never vote for Hillary Clinton. They do not like her. They do not trust her. They will vote against her no matter who the Republicans run. Some will not vote for Obama either. Some will. They are the margin that will win the election.

 

[jonks]

Exactly when did this political golden age of civility exist? Before or after Burr killed Hamilton?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I will never underestimate the ability of the Dems to nominate the worst Candidate.

I'd vote for Obama over any Republican.

I'd vote for any Republican over Hillary.

Looks like I might be voting (R).


After the smears the last couple weeks I think alot of Obama supporters are not going to vote for Hillary if she gets the nom.

A lot of his "supporters" are not going to vote for him if he gets the nom either
They are just using him to try to stop Hillary before it's too late for them.

why would they be trying to stop hillary? It's the best present they could get since nader.

Except she'll win the nomination and lose the election.

Fixed.

If only half the independents and Republicans supporting Obama actually vote for him in November that is still millions of votes Hillary will never get. Get it through your head. Most Americans will never vote for Hillary Clinton. They do not like her. They do not trust her. They will vote against her no matter who the Republicans run. Some will not vote for Obama either. Some will. They are the margin that will win the election.

Most Americans won't vote, period. Hillary will beat any of the Republicans running. Yes, I am including McCain.
He'll be the Obama of the general election.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm going to laugh at Techs and Senseamp when they cheer Hillary all the way to the Democratic nomination only to see her beaten by a Rep candidiate. I can't believe how much support they are throwing behind the candidate that is most polarizing... with all of the complaining they do about Bush, they are more than happy to see a politics-as-usual candidate win... pathetic.

Maybe it's me, but if polarizing means pissing off the people who want to teach intelligent design in science class, support Bush's continual constitutional violations, defend the commuting of the only person in the entire admin ever held accountable for anything, who want to ban gay marriage and abortion in the constitution, belive global warming means it'll be nicer weather in washington, well, there's worse things. What issues exactly is Obama going to work with these folks on advancing together on?

He's ignoring those people. That's the point. What does Hillary gain by polarizing that minority, and consequently including them in the process? More importantly, what does the country gain?

Exactly. The country gains nothing in the end. What is the point of playing tug-of-war every few years when one side is pulling a lot harder than the other? We end up nowhere it seems.