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JackBurton

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Originally posted by: VictorLazlo
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: DOSfan
Originally posted by: Elitebull
I wouldn't really compare it to Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown; Fight Club has different type of disjointed storyline than Tarantino's work, which divides the entire story into several segments and then shuffles those around. But I agree 100% with your other points. The whole "fight club" aspect- the brutal violence, etc... is what appeals to group #2 and is what z0mb is attacking here.

But it's not about creating your own army. It's about taking control of the world (in a metaphorical sense), rather than being a mindless drone who has stuff force-fed to you.

I wasn't actively trying to compare it to Tarantino's work.... Just taking a st... um, guess at what the focus of z0mb13's disgust was.

But z0mb13 liked Pulp Fiction, and didn't like Fight Club....

Makes it hard to fathom. They both were message movies. They both had extreme levels of violence.

Is it because z0mb13 feels Pulp Fiction was "fictional," and Fight Club was, somehow, "non-fiction?"
It is not about the movie being fictional or not, it is about a HUGE gaping hole in the plot. It is not a small little detail that you can overlook. The writer looks like he was trying to add a Sixth Sense type twist at the end, but unlike the Sixth Sense, it made NO sense whatsoever. And watching it a second time only reveals how sloppy the plot was thrown together. VERY weak movie.

What HUGE gaping plot hole is this?
Ummmm, that people saw someone beating himself up and started a "Fight Club."
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: DOSfan
Originally posted by: Elitebull
I wouldn't really compare it to Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown; Fight Club has different type of disjointed storyline than Tarantino's work, which divides the entire story into several segments and then shuffles those around. But I agree 100% with your other points. The whole "fight club" aspect- the brutal violence, etc... is what appeals to group #2 and is what z0mb is attacking here.

But it's not about creating your own army. It's about taking control of the world (in a metaphorical sense), rather than being a mindless drone who has stuff force-fed to you.

I wasn't actively trying to compare it to Tarantino's work.... Just taking a st... um, guess at what the focus of z0mb13's disgust was.

But z0mb13 liked Pulp Fiction, and didn't like Fight Club....

Makes it hard to fathom. They both were message movies. They both had extreme levels of violence.

Is it because z0mb13 feels Pulp Fiction was "fictional," and Fight Club was, somehow, "non-fiction?"
It is not about the movie being fictional or not, it is about a HUGE gaping hole in the plot. It is not a small little detail that you can overlook. The writer looks like he was trying to add a Sixth Sense type twist at the end, but unlike the Sixth Sense, it made NO sense whatsoever. And watching it a second time only reveals how sloppy the plot was thrown together. VERY weak movie.
the sixth sense didn't make sense. there's no way he wouldn't notice if no one at all communicated with him. we see very few scenes from his day which happen to work out, but his whole life couldn't be like that.

They explained that in the Sixth Sense. The dead see what they want to see. The Sixth Sense is not perfect by any means, but the premise is fairly believable.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Xiety
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Xiety
Originally posted by: JackBurton
It is amazing how many people think this dumbass movie is good.
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sadly, you are the dumbass yourself. next please.
Riiiight. I guess you'd join a "Fight Club" seeing someone beating themselves up in the street. Yep, you sound like a dumbass that would do something like that, so I guess I understand now why you liked it so much. :)

Riiiight. I am sure people began to take out their hidden swords after watching LOTR, began taking notes & photos to remember things after watching Memento, began to make offers people can't refuse after watching the Godfather. Yep you sound like the dumbass whose life is influenced by movies. Sorry but I don't watch movies to redirect my life after watching them, I simply watch them for entertainment.

Now I understand why you don't like Fight Club, it's too hard for you to handle :)
Can you not tell the difference between a Sci-Fi movie and a drama? WTF? Are you that dumb? LOTR is a fantasy movie but it still has to have a plot that follows the story line's rules. Like I said, it is not a matter of it being a fictional movie or not, it is a matter of if it makes sense in its own context. And Fight Club does not. The WHOLE freakin' premise of the movie was that people were inspired by these two guys fighting. Now how the fvck would that happen if he was fighting himself? The movie breaks down without even starting.

Hey I tell you what, since you LOVE dumbass movies that make no sense, go watch Gigli. I'm sure you'll LOVE it. ;)
 

pyonir

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Dec 18, 2001
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i'm 25 and really like Fight Club. and i'm about as far from 'anti-establishment' as you can get. It was highly entertaining.
 

Crazymofo

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One problem with your question that I see is you are asking it about 2 or 3 years too late to actually get a good amount of data from people... most of the peeps replying with there age and how they liked it probably saw the thing over 2 years ago...
 

Kanalua

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27 and I liked it...I liked the detached realism of the story...and the violence...
 

dfi

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I liked this movie. I don't think there's a huge plot hole. The members of fight club are mentally unstable, unsatisfied individuals who are desperately looking for a sense of purpose. They found each other and now are following an insane cause, but they don't care because they now feel like they belong.

Generally, all I really care about when I watch a movie is to be entertained. To me a movie is just another activity to entertain me. If a 2 hour music video was entertaining, I would watch that too. Hell, people pay to watch atheles put a round ball into a hole for hours on end.

Besides, I can simulatenously admit something is stupid and completely non-sensical while still enjoying it immensely.

dfi
 

z0mb13

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I just remember a scene from the movie that extremely pissed me off...

its when the two main characters come to a convenience shop, then brought this chinese guy outside and points a gun at his head..

What rights did they have to do that? do they feel "superior" to the person? The statement : "he will wake up tomorrow as a new person (or some sort of statement like that which I dont remember exactly)" is complete garbage..

what f-in rights did they have to do that? what makes them think that their method of living is BETTER than this chinese's guys?

this person is actually working and earning money in a honorable way, not like these anti establishment morons..

I know that this is just a movie, but I just dont like the message that it is portraying
 

Crazymofo

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
I just remember a scene from the movie that extremely pissed me off...

its when the two main characters come to a convenience shop, then brought this chinese guy outside and points a gun at his head..

What rights did they have to do that? do they feel "superior" to the person? The statement : "he will wake up tomorrow as a new person (or some sort of statement like that which I dont remember exactly)" is complete garbage..

what f-in rights did they have to do that? what makes them think that their method of living is BETTER than this chinese's guys?

this person is actually working and earning money in a honorable way, not like these anti establishment morons..

I know that this is just a movie, but I just dont like the message that it is portraying

Did you like the movie "meet the parents"? I have about the same feelings towards it as you do towards fight club... I hate that movie because it is painfully impossible for all that bad sh|t to happen to one person.
 

dfi

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
I just remember a scene from the movie that extremely pissed me off...

its when the two main characters come to a convenience shop, then brought this chinese guy outside and points a gun at his head..

What rights did they have to do that? do they feel "superior" to the person? The statement : "he will wake up tomorrow as a new person (or some sort of statement like that which I dont remember exactly)" is complete garbage..

what f-in rights did they have to do that? what makes them think that their method of living is BETTER than this chinese's guys?

this person is actually working and earning money in a honorable way, not like these anti establishment morons..

I know that this is just a movie, but I just dont like the message that it is portraying

Actually I didn't like that scene either. But it just so happened that the clerk gave up on his dreams and was settling. So in that respect the viewer hopes that the clerk will pursue his dreams again of being a vet. But still, you're left with a bad taste in your mouth; really what right did they have to do that. I think that was the point of the scene.

dfi
 

MrColin

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32 yo and I give the movie 7 out of 10.

The best movie from the 90s of course was Starship Troopers.
 

Rayden

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I am 18 and I think it is very good. I do not think that I enjoy senseless violence as much as the next 18 yr old male. I enjoy violent movies with a purpose. The Last Samurai was very violent, but there was a reason for it.
My dad is 48 and also thinks it is a brilliant movie.

It is very weird. The book is exactly the same. The beginning is very romantic and rebellious. By the end of the movie however you should be disgusted by it all. It doesn't leave you with a good, romantic feeling about rebellion. It is not realistic, its not meant to be perfectly real. I don't understand how people can take one piece of the movie that bends reality a little bit and because of it can't enjoy a movie. Deal with it and enjoy the rest of the movie! There is enough vulgarity to turn some off, but the plot truly is brilliant.
 

z0mb13

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May 19, 2002
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Originally posted by: Crazymofo
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I just remember a scene from the movie that extremely pissed me off...

its when the two main characters come to a convenience shop, then brought this chinese guy outside and points a gun at his head..

What rights did they have to do that? do they feel "superior" to the person? The statement : "he will wake up tomorrow as a new person (or some sort of statement like that which I dont remember exactly)" is complete garbage..

what f-in rights did they have to do that? what makes them think that their method of living is BETTER than this chinese's guys?

this person is actually working and earning money in a honorable way, not like these anti establishment morons..

I know that this is just a movie, but I just dont like the message that it is portraying

Did you like the movie "meet the parents"? I have about the same feelings towards it as you do towards fight club... I hate that movie because it is painfully impossible for all that bad sh|t to happen to one person.

yes I liked meet the parents coz its a comedy... and I expect it to be funny and it is...
also I dont feel disgusted by the acts in the movie..
 

Parrotheader

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28 and I thought it was pretty good, although I honestly didn't think it deserved all the heaping praise it got either.

I'd heard all the buzz (and unfortunately) knew there was a major twist somewhere so unfortunately I figured out what it was really early on in the movie (the briefcase on the plane scene) so that took a lot of the wow factor out of it for me (although it was cool to watch all the little details back up the major premise of the twist as the movie wore on - and in that respect people are right that it improves upon a second/third viewing.) But it just kept wearing on and on and on and got kind of boring afterawhile IMO in spite of all the violence. The fact that I didn't even need the escalating chaos of the storyline to disagree with some of the core philosphies of the story didn't help to make it more entertaining either. But to each his own I suppose.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: MrColin
32 yo and I give the movie 7 out of 10.

The best movie from the 90s of course was Starship Troopers.

Now that is a great movie! SERVICE = CITIZENSHIP
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: dfi
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I just remember a scene from the movie that extremely pissed me off...

its when the two main characters come to a convenience shop, then brought this chinese guy outside and points a gun at his head..

What rights did they have to do that? do they feel "superior" to the person? The statement : "he will wake up tomorrow as a new person (or some sort of statement like that which I dont remember exactly)" is complete garbage..

what f-in rights did they have to do that? what makes them think that their method of living is BETTER than this chinese's guys?

this person is actually working and earning money in a honorable way, not like these anti establishment morons..

I know that this is just a movie, but I just dont like the message that it is portraying

Actually I didn't like that scene either. But it just so happened that the clerk gave up on his dreams and was settling. So in that respect the viewer hopes that the clerk will pursue his dreams again of being a vet. But still, you're left with a bad taste in your mouth; really what right did they have to do that. I think that was the point of the scene.

dfi

I loved that scene, very powerful. I just watched this movie again last night. If you notice, later in the film there's a shot of Tyler's room and he has a ton of licenses pinned up from all the people he's "freed".
 

swank121

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I had to watch this movie a couple times before I felt like I completely understood it. I love this movie .. I'm 22. It's entertaining .. lots of action, good dialogue, and scenes that make you think. If you watch it with a negative attitude, or you see something that doesn't sit right with your values or beliefs, of course you will be looking for other things you don't like and pretty soon the whole movie is crap. Look at the discussion going on right now with "The Passion of Christ."

The movie was not intended to be possible or even probable in real life. If you expected it to be realistic, you'll be let down. Thinking this movie would ever happen is like thinking Mission Impossible was a documentary.

Anyway, if you really want to know "WTF is so good about fight Club," why don't you read some of what was said by people who make their living watching movies ..
 

Murphyrulez

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I cannot believe that all you people ARE TALKING ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.

What is the NUMBER ONE RULE PEOPLE!!!!

WTF!!
 

KevinF

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: werk
I liked it, but I liked the book a lot better. The ending was just perfect in the book. The movie's ending was a cop-out.

so how is the ending inthe book??

The book opens with the narrator talking about the different ways to make dynamite.. mix x with y, mix x with z, and so on. He also says that you can use paraffin, but states that paraffin never, ever works.

SPOILER:




In the ending of the book, the narrator kills himself to get rid of Tyler. He doesn't shoot himself in the head and keep going. He doesn't see the buildings collapse. His last thought before death is "Tyler, you used parrafin." Then there's an epilogue, but I'll let you read the book for that.
 

DrMoe

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I thought the movie was entertaining. Some of the plot was a little farfetched, like many other movies, but overall a great piece of work. I'm 28.
 

veggiefrog

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
21 or so when I saw it.. I hated the movie.. it's made with great skill but it's message doesn't even agree with itself and the plot twist is just insane and silly,..

**spoiler**

was here really talking to himself the entire movie and no one noticed? he shared a beer with himself?? he was in the kitchen and having sex at the same time? that's not how multiple personality disorder works! one personality does not chill in the kitchen while the other is watching the game in the den!

**.end**

also, the movie has this silly leftist message - our capitalistic society and culture drives men into being angry, shallow beasts desperate for an outlet.. it trashes commercial culture/etc. but then, by proving that tyler was in fact wrong and an extremist, cancels out it's own message.. if the whole movie agreed with tyler then why did ed norton have to "kill" him? i don't know.. i hated the movie.. it was over rated and stupid teen males love the movie..


exactly!! i was not a fan at all (i'm 19 but female - guess it cancels out?) but my bf (21) loves it and it's one of his fave movies (altho he did used to be a communist...)