So??? Can any gun totin' bush's arse-kissin arrogant repub tell me I'm wrong?
Do you feel we're so strong we're protected if some psycho sleeper cell decides to start snipin' away across the country? Imagine if they knew what they were doing unlike Mohammed and Malvo. Worse yet, imagine what could be worse they could be planning.
Cad? Crimson?
Do you feel we're so strong we're protected if some psycho sleeper cell decides to start snipin' away across the country? Imagine if they knew what they were doing unlike Mohammed and Malvo. Worse yet, imagine what could be worse they could be planning.
Cad? Crimson?
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Just pointing out that we're not invincible, no matter how many countries we dismantle in the name of fighting terrorism or how much we borrow to pour into missile defense sheilds...
And that the whole philosophy of fighting terrorism is wrong - its not about who can build the biggest gun - its about knowing how to stay true and considerate despite dealing from a position of power. Thats all.
hehe, i dont hate Bush... I still gonna vote for him next election...
but the thing is... he is somewhat dissappointing.
but the thing is... he is somewhat dissappointing.
Man, I think of the this as the thread that would not die. Nah, we don't hate Bush. We hate the stupidity that thinks we know more than all the rest of humanity combined and has a solution for world problems that can be expressed in 25 words or less.
I don't think anyone, save maybe one or two posters, in this thread has managed to offer a criticism of Bush without making vast and unsubstantiated claims (HE'S BENT ON DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!") or resorting to ad hominems against either him or conservatives/Republicans (OOOH Bush is a whore/moron and if you don't agree than you arrogant conservatives LOOOOOOOVE him). I think that's the crux of the matter here. It's not so much what people think so much as their ability to express themselves intelligently and maturely. Nobody's claiming that the conservative posters here are flawless, but it's extremely irritating to see the forum dominated by a handful of anti-Bush posters who either flood the board by starting content-free threads just to insult Bush/republicans and avoiding any actual discussion (thankfully the main culprit got a vacation), act in an extremely melodramatic manner (telling people to calm down is not any sort of violation of one's constitutional rights, sorry), or post nothing but inflammatory one liners.
In serious dicussion, one of the most important things is to show some minimum level of respect for the opposition. Throwing out insults and using childish names to refer to people (calling conservatives "Bushies for example) is not going to help convince anyone that your opinions are valid and well-formed. As I have said earlier, those kind of actions make it look like a good number of the anti-Bush posters are far more interested in trying to annoy people than to win them over.
In serious dicussion, one of the most important things is to show some minimum level of respect for the opposition. Throwing out insults and using childish names to refer to people (calling conservatives "Bushies for example) is not going to help convince anyone that your opinions are valid and well-formed. As I have said earlier, those kind of actions make it look like a good number of the anti-Bush posters are far more interested in trying to annoy people than to win them over.
This is what happens when the conservatives continue to flock to any mention of Clinton and his scandals as a defense for the current regime.
To me, there is no respecting a president who from day one has stepped on and disrepected the collective international community (except for Israel, whose butt we're still kissing) and told them they didn't matter.
In case you didnt see the breakdown on who bush's tax cut would help the middle class benifited most from the cuts, and th elower and upper benifited least. Since the middle class pays most of the taxes this makes sense. But i am curious how bush is bent on weaking or shrinking the middle class.
Keep in mind i make below the poeverty level so i cant speak of how the middle class really is.
Tax cuts didn't benefit anyone. Certianly not the jobless, contrary to bush's claims.
Dual P3's and a P4, kinda nice for someone supposedly below the poverty level... I suppose they were donations...
So how about it CRIMSON, assuming you haven't ignored my previous posts, how protected are we?
Right, if we just REASON with the terrorists, they will leave us alone.. perhaps we could give them a peace quilt or something, that would keep them from blowing up our buildings.
No, we are not invincable.. but I feel a hell of a lot better knowing we are going to kill those that want us dead. Its not how big of gun you have, its how you use it. The terrorist will use it to shoot an innocent person, we will use it to kill them. Very simple really. Would you feel more secure if you have a 50 cal machine gun outside your house during a riot, or a big peace symbol saying MAKE LOVE NOT WAR.. I'll tell you what I'd want.
For every terrorist you kill, a hundred will take their place. What then? God forbid you ever look in the mirror. There will always be extremists, but bush and his american arrogance and his unilatteral actions is making terrorism mainstream.
Eventually you'll have to look at what your fearless leader is doing. The only question is whether its before or after half the world is nuked and America is frozen with homeland terrorism.
Then we kill 100, then 100,000, then 100,000,000... whatever it takes. American arrogance does not cause terrorism.. People without morals and values, people without value for human life and freedom, people who want to exterminate anyone who disagrees with them cause terrorism.
Stop blaming me for someone thinking that Allah will give them 178 virgins if they strap explosives to their ass and walk into a schoolyard. *I* did not cause that.. That choice can only be made by one person, the person that did it.. and they are evil.
I accept responsbility for my actions.. I blame no one but myself for what I do.
OMG, mark this day down, first time ever agreeing with something Crimie says.
Edit: Also to those saying Bush is the reason Terrorism is mainstream, please grow a brain. He may have disturbed the Hornets nest but the Hornets were still there and were still going to sting.
I normally avoid politics like I would avoid contracting the Plague, but i see that finally this thread is sorting out the rabid me-too's, and the head-in-the sand idiots, and finally a few "normal' people are speaking up.
Rich v. Poor.....Clinton is rich, Gore is rich, Feinstein is rich, etc., and so are most of the Democratic members of the House and Senate. According to CNN, and Forbes magazine, there are far more rich Democrats in Congress, than Republicans. Bush is rich, Reagan is rich, and so has every president that we've had in this century. This fight is stupid and ill-informed. It shows much about any person that thinks a certain party is for, or against the rich, or poor. Politicains want the power to control, and will do most anything to get that power, regardless of where the power comes from. Just look at Julius Caesar, and his rise to power, as a prime example. Not much has changed in two thousand years, in the world of politics.
As for European allies? Please...They ally with whomever they are in bed with. Pay-to-play so to speak. They could care less about another country, and appeasement is their game. Look at France's history in the twentieth century. They allowed the Czech give-away to the Nazi's, allowed the Austrian expansion of Germany under Hitler, then invited the Nazis in to collaborate with them in their own country. Die on their knees rather than fight like Britain. As far as them backing the war....One would think that after twelve years, and Saddam jerking their chain, along with throwing out the inspectors, that enough time had passed for Iraq to comply with all the U.N. regulations. Maybe they wanted twelve more years? Let's not even talk of Germany in this century. They are on the side that gives in to their demands. Just ask the Czech, French, and Austrian people about this. France and Germany have always had a sick, almost incestuous relationship for over a thousand years. England is not generally liked by either France or Germany, so that explains why they are on-board with the U.S. Russia is owed many billions by Iraq, under oil contracts, and numerous defense contracts. They want their money, and had a strong feeling (likely justifiably so) that the U.S. wouldn't repay debts owed the Russians, mainly because we didn't force the honoring of German debts to countries that supported Germany during WW I, or WW II. So, is alienating the toothless U.N., and fair weather allies a bad thing? I think that we could have used them, but to trust them is not a good idea.
The United States of America, is the greatest, and most powerful nation this earth has ever seen, and to not do what we can to protect ourselves, and our interests will only make the more aggressive and evious countries emboldened to attack us and our interests, when and where they can.
Rich v. Poor.....Clinton is rich, Gore is rich, Feinstein is rich, etc., and so are most of the Democratic members of the House and Senate. According to CNN, and Forbes magazine, there are far more rich Democrats in Congress, than Republicans. Bush is rich, Reagan is rich, and so has every president that we've had in this century. This fight is stupid and ill-informed. It shows much about any person that thinks a certain party is for, or against the rich, or poor. Politicains want the power to control, and will do most anything to get that power, regardless of where the power comes from. Just look at Julius Caesar, and his rise to power, as a prime example. Not much has changed in two thousand years, in the world of politics.
As for European allies? Please...They ally with whomever they are in bed with. Pay-to-play so to speak. They could care less about another country, and appeasement is their game. Look at France's history in the twentieth century. They allowed the Czech give-away to the Nazi's, allowed the Austrian expansion of Germany under Hitler, then invited the Nazis in to collaborate with them in their own country. Die on their knees rather than fight like Britain. As far as them backing the war....One would think that after twelve years, and Saddam jerking their chain, along with throwing out the inspectors, that enough time had passed for Iraq to comply with all the U.N. regulations. Maybe they wanted twelve more years? Let's not even talk of Germany in this century. They are on the side that gives in to their demands. Just ask the Czech, French, and Austrian people about this. France and Germany have always had a sick, almost incestuous relationship for over a thousand years. England is not generally liked by either France or Germany, so that explains why they are on-board with the U.S. Russia is owed many billions by Iraq, under oil contracts, and numerous defense contracts. They want their money, and had a strong feeling (likely justifiably so) that the U.S. wouldn't repay debts owed the Russians, mainly because we didn't force the honoring of German debts to countries that supported Germany during WW I, or WW II. So, is alienating the toothless U.N., and fair weather allies a bad thing? I think that we could have used them, but to trust them is not a good idea.
The United States of America, is the greatest, and most powerful nation this earth has ever seen, and to not do what we can to protect ourselves, and our interests will only make the more aggressive and evious countries emboldened to attack us and our interests, when and where they can.
Nice post maluckey. Basically what I've been posting that both Dems & Reps have bought & corrupted the whole system and they are backed and bought by the Corporations that backed them with the money. We have two Ceasar's and it looks like the people would have to revolt to do the "Etu Brute" manuever. I hope that voting could save the Nation from internal War but it is not looking that way right now in 2003.
Actions that are a result of american arrogance upon a people without the political structure and economic resources to defend themselves can lead to these people taking desperate measures.
If you kill 100 people, only one may be a terrorist. If you kill 100,000,000, maybe only 50 will be terrorists, because as we see today, we're simply not capable of accurately targetting all terrorists only. Many innocent people will be killed. And for every one you kill, ten will dedicate their lives to spreading the word to others to bring you down. Eventually the sentiments will spread to the whole community and beyond. And eventually, one will succeed.
I know you're too arrogant to care what anyone else anywhere thinks of you, but I'm surprised that even a fool such as you will have so little sense as to try to justify killing so many people.
If it weren't for the global media and sensible people surrounding us, people such as you and bush may show your true colors - that your policy of justifying preemptive attack lends you to be no better than Hitler. One day you two may be taught a lesson as well - I just feel sorry that those of us with the humility to understand will also suffer.
The so-called global media voted the man you despise, Hitler, Man Of the Year, in 1939 for his forward thinking gun control policies. The forward thinking media, panders to the masses, because they are the ones paying the subsciption rates, and that is a dangerous thing.
Utopian policies of appeasement and goodwill only work when both parties are in agreement, and repect the other sides point of view. The Palestinians have honored what they said they would do, which is to drive out or kill all Jews in Israel. The terrorist cells target whomever stands in their way to percieved freedom of hate. I take it as a compliment that they hate the United States so much. That must mean that we stand against their goals of opression and terror towards thier own people (as evidenced by their brutal and supressive regimes), and their attitudes towards their neighbors.
Do your own research, and stop listening to the politically controlled press, and then, and only then will you get the true picture of what's really going on.
Utopian policies of appeasement and goodwill only work when both parties are in agreement, and repect the other sides point of view. The Palestinians have honored what they said they would do, which is to drive out or kill all Jews in Israel. The terrorist cells target whomever stands in their way to percieved freedom of hate. I take it as a compliment that they hate the United States so much. That must mean that we stand against their goals of opression and terror towards thier own people (as evidenced by their brutal and supressive regimes), and their attitudes towards their neighbors.
Do your own research, and stop listening to the politically controlled press, and then, and only then will you get the true picture of what's really going on.
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