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Crimson

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Crimson, you're confusing being critical for hatred. I guess it's your perogitive to call it whatever you wish, but it's pretty clear that while some really do hate Bush, most are simply critical of his policies or the administration as a whole. Nice of you to bring up the "hate crime" concept though. Way to over-react. :)

Where did I say "Hate Crime"??

But whatever.. nobody is criticizing Bush's policies, and the few that do don't offer alternatives.. they just call Bush stupid. Deal with the issues instead of simply insulting Bush.. nobody ever does that.. they just "Someone was killed in Iraq - BUSH IS STUPID!"
 

Wolfdog

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I don't hate him, he is a moron though. There is a big difference between being stupid and a moron. Instead of riding in airforce 1, he needs to ride in shortbus 1. Not just any shortbus mind you, the really, really short bus like the one in dumb and dumberer. You see though if the other guy would have gotten elected things probably would have been different. I doubt that sept 11 would have taken place, and I highly doubt that the debacle in Iraq would be happening right now. Not to mention more of a tax cut for people that it would really matter. The monies that bush-lite took from social security would still be there... The list goes on and on. Needless to say his new campaign motto pretty much sums up just how inept he really is. ;)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/29/elec04.prez.bush.campaign.ap/index.html
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Crimson, you're confusing being critical for hatred. I guess it's your perogitive to call it whatever you wish, but it's pretty clear that while some really do hate Bush, most are simply critical of his policies or the administration as a whole. Nice of you to bring up the "hate crime" concept though. Way to over-react. :)

I agree, what Crimson seems to be doing is trying to put a gag-order on any discussion about Bush and his administration, which I find apalling. Most posts here are discussions of news items that appear on day to day basis, so if alot of the news is bad news, don't complain to the people discussing them. If you want to go on with 'vast liberal conspiracy theories' about the news, that's fine, but if you don't like what's being discussed in a particular thread, no one is forcing you to read it. Please don't try to be a control freak
 

bigdog1218

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Gand1
I think you need to read better. Blind hatered is the same as following blindly. It's just the other side of the coin. If we need to stop "hiding" behind our blind hatered you need to stop hiding behind the God fearing loyal sheeps!

Since we support him, we are blind sheep? Maybe we agree with what he is doing? You guys sure like to label.. Bush = Stupid. People who support him = sheep.

Who are the sheep? Democrats won't support ANY conservative for a federal court position.. republicans granted nearly all of Clinton's appointees. There is a double standard here.

I find it hard to believe that you agree with absolutly every single Bush agenda, if you do that's scary, and if you didn't you would never say it because you look at politics as Republicans = right, Democrats = wrong.
 
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Winning or not winning the next election won't be the big deal...it's what gets done with policy during the term that's going to matter. Hell I hate bush, openly and fully admit it...though it's well conceived and supported hatred and not just a random thing. Even so, if he gets re-elected I won't immediately flip out. It's if he continues the erosion of civil liberties, continues his over the top religious zealotry, continues putting his foot in his mouth and his neck in the noose at every opportunity that's when I'll blow my top. If, however, he turns a corner and finds more moderate stances on issues, if he ceases relentless attacks against American fabric, then I'll back him with all my fervor...but don't hold your breath.

As for general belief in what would happen...I'd bet money that if he IS re-elected and continued his second term as he did his first that you'd see civil unrest and almost certainly assassination attempts. In my 31 years I have NEVER heard of any American leader being as hated as this man.
 

MonkeyK

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Crimson, I'm thinking that you can't comprehend someone not blindly following Bush, so you call it hate. He is the President, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with how he thinks things should be done.

you would hate him if there were 0 casualties in Iraq, you would hate them if there were 10 million.
I don't know if "hate" is the right word, but I can't admire him over Iraq (no matter how many casualties) because I don't agree with the US ignoring the UN and invading Iraq. Especially when aftewards we come back and say "pony up!"

You would hate him if he supported universal health care, you would hate him if he didn't.
Wrong, my opinion of him would improve greatly if I felt he was doing something to promote better access to healthcare

You would hate him if he won by 5 million votes, or 10 million, or 100 votes.. you would still hate him.
If he won, he won. Why should the margin affect how I feel about the President.

You would hate him if he appointed a black liberal judge to every open position on the courts, you would hate him if he put in a white male.
WTF???

You hate him for not doing enough to prevent 9/11, and you hate him for doing too much.
Don't know what he could have done. If it turns out that he could have done something, I'd be pretty upset.

You hate him for lowering taxes, but you would hate him for raising them as well (cough, Bush Sr.).
I don't admire anyone for living beyond their means...

You hate him for trying to get an evil dictator out of office, but you hate him for not going after others.
Hate? No, I just question the motivation when we say we are taking out this guy because he is an evil dictator but want to support some other evil dictator.

You would hate him if he didn't go to war, because he was not doing enough to protect American interests.
I really have no idea what you are getting at with this one. The best way to protect American interests should almost never be war.

You say character doesn't matter for 10 years, and now it does.
And you said character does matter for 10 years and now it doesn't???
 

nallur

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Here's an article by Molly Ivins titled Call Me a Bush-Hater

Here's a small excerpt:
One thing I acknowledge about the right is that they're much better haters than liberals are. Your basic liberal--milk of human kindness flowing through every vein, and heart bleeding over everyone from the milk-shy Hottentot to the glandular obese--is pretty much a strikeout on the hatred front. Maybe further out on the left you can hit some good righteous anger, but liberals, and I am one, are generally real wusses. Guys like Rush Limbaugh figured that out a long time ago--attack a liberal and the first thing he says is, "You may have a point there."
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Crimson, you're confusing being critical for hatred. I guess it's your perogitive to call it whatever you wish, but it's pretty clear that while some really do hate Bush, most are simply critical of his policies or the administration as a whole. Nice of you to bring up the "hate crime" concept though. Way to over-react. :)

I agree, what Crimson seems to be doing is trying to put a gag-order on any discussion about Bush and his administration, which I find apalling. Most posts here are discussions of news items that appear on day to day basis, so if alot of the news is bad news, don't complain to the people discussing them. If you want to go on with 'vast liberal conspiracy theories' about the news, that's fine, but if you don't like what's being discussed in a particular thread, no one is forcing you to read it. Please don't try to be a control freak




It's all part of the administration's long and bloody war on criticism.

 

rchiu

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How would you describe a President wearing jet fight suit, trying to act like a big hero even though he was never close to the action, wasting millions of tax payer money to fly a fighter jet onto a carrier to announce the war was over, only to see the war go on and more soldiers die everyday.

Stupid is an understatement.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Crimson
[ ridiculous generalizations and other nonsense deleted ]
Greetings, Comrade Crimson. Welcome to the United States. Since you seem to be new to America, let me bring you up to speed on our culture.

Here in the United States, we place a special emphasis on personal freedoms. Having suffered the tyranny of old England, we committed to forming a new society where the people were kings and the government served us. We codified a set of fundamental rights we believed were essential for a free country, and we enumerated them as the first ten amendments to the United States Consitution. Perhaps you've heard of them; we call them The Bill of Rights.

At the very top of the list of these fundamental human rights is something called Freedom of Speech. We were angry that King George's minions would imprison or even kill fellow patriots who spoke up about his injustices. We knew we could not prevent government tyranny if we could not speak about it freely, if we could not tell our brothers and sisters when we were dissatisfied with our representatives. We explicity granted our citizens the right to Free Speech (and a Free Press) precisely to allow Americans to criticize our leaders, to rebuke our government, to call out from the steeples and hillsides whenever we feel our leadership has failed in its obligations to be lawful and just and fair.

I realize this noble ideal may seem foreign to someone like you. We know too well that fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union try to control their citizens' hearts and minds by controlling what they see and hear. That's simply not how we do things here. We are united in our commitment to freedom. It is why we are the great country we have become.

Yes, these freedoms are often incovenient to government lackeys and even to some elected representatives who have been drawn to the dark side, who lust for power instead of public service. We know you might be a little confused by the neo-facists who have undue influence in our government today. Nonetheless, these are transient problems that cannot persist. We will not allow it. We will not return to the dark days of King George. Our rights and freedoms transcend petty politicians and petty politics. They are the very heart and soul of America.

Again, welcome to America, Comrade Crimson. We will help you see the light. Here's a start:



THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union

first time i've ever seen those two called fascist. good to know that whenever you throw that word around, as you're apt to do, you have no clue what it refers to.
 

CaptnKirk

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O.K. - O.K., you got us.
We don't really Hate Bush - no mater what anybody says he may have said, or to have even done.
We loath the individual - and despise his Administration.
He's that simple.
 

dmcowen674

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www.alienbabeltech.com
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Crimson
[ ridiculous generalizations and other nonsense deleted ]
Greetings, Comrade Crimson. Welcome to the United States. Since you seem to be new to America, let me bring you up to speed on our culture.

Here in the United States, we place a special emphasis on personal freedoms. Having suffered the tyranny of old England, we committed to forming a new society where the people were kings and the government served us. We codified a set of fundamental rights we believed were essential for a free country, and we enumerated them as the first ten amendments to the United States Consitution. Perhaps you've heard of them; we call them The Bill of Rights.

At the very top of the list of these fundamental human rights is something called Freedom of Speech. We were angry that King George's minions would imprison or even kill fellow patriots who spoke up about his injustices. We knew we could not prevent government tyranny if we could not speak about it freely, if we could not tell our brothers and sisters when we were dissatisfied with our representatives. We explicity granted our citizens the right to Free Speech (and a Free Press) precisely to allow Americans to criticize our leaders, to rebuke our government, to call out from the steeples and hillsides whenever we feel our leadership has failed in its obligations to be lawful and just and fair.

I realize this noble ideal may seem foreign to someone like you. We know too well that fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union try to control their citizens' hearts and minds by controlling what they see and hear. That's simply not how we do things here. We are united in our commitment to freedom. It is why we are the great country we have become.

Yes, these freedoms are often incovenient to government lackeys and even to some elected representatives who have been drawn to the dark side, who lust for power instead of public service. We know you might be a little confused by the neo-facists who have undue influence in our government today. Nonetheless, these are transient problems that cannot persist. We will not allow it. We will not return to the dark days of King George. Our rights and freedoms transcend petty politicians and petty politics. They are the very heart and soul of America.

Again, welcome to America, Comrade Crimson. We will help you see the light. Here's a start:



THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Most Excellent Post, me Bows to Mr Bow.

Edit: Crimson - Who is the "We" you refer to in your Thread Title?

 

tallest1

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You seriously think we hate him, just because? You gotta be friggin kidding me. You don't see worldwide protests, UN animosity, dropping US support, and increased foreign attacks just because.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: tallest1
You seriously think we hate him, just because? You gotta be friggin kidding me. You don't see worldwide protests, UN animosity, dropping US support, and increased foreign attacks just because.

He is referring to the forums....
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union
first time i've ever seen those two called fascist.
Perhaps Rush doesn't know what the word means.


good to know that whenever you throw that word around, as you're apt to do, you have no clue what it refers to.
1. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company.



Anything else?
rolleye.gif
 

DoubleL

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LOL I just can't help it, The ones that say Bush is stupid man they must really be smart, I don't think we ever had a president that can fly a fighter jet, Speak Spanish, Has the schooling all rolled in one, Oh and he had a flight suite on cause he was flying that jet, I don't think Bush is the best, He is a very smart man but I still think he bends to much for the Democrates but he is a lot better than what we could have ended up with and a mile better than what we had
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Great post. I feel the same way. I'm not 100% in support of Bush, yet just because I don't say he's stupid and terrible etc... I am labeled as someone who just loves him and I'm a sheep. They are doing the same thing to you.


Not sure, but I think that previously having "I am a neo-con commander" in your sig might have something to do with it also. ;)
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union
first time i've ever seen those two called fascist.
Perhaps Rush doesn't know what the word means.


good to know that whenever you throw that word around, as you're apt to do, you have no clue what it refers to.
1. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

Anything else?
rolleye.gif

yay, find me a political science prof who calls them fascist, then come back to me. last i checked china doesn't exhibit belligerent nationalism. and stalinism wasn't merely stringent socioeconomic controls, it was absolute socioeconomic control


and what the fvck does rush have to do with anything?
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union
first time i've ever seen those two called fascist.
Perhaps Rush doesn't know what the word means.


good to know that whenever you throw that word around, as you're apt to do, you have no clue what it refers to.
1. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

Anything else?
rolleye.gif

yay, find me a political science prof who calls them fascist, then come back to me. last i checked china doesn't exhibit belligerent nationalism. and stalinism wasn't merely stringent socioeconomic controls, it was absolute socioeconomic control

and what the fvck does rush have to do with anything?
1. I am not a political science professor nor is this a PolySci classroom. I am therefore allowed to use the word in its broader sense. I don't have to indulge the language Nazis. (This is your cue to tell me that you aren't technically a Nazi.)

2. There are two definitions given for the term. They have an "or" relationship. Either definition can apply. Are you really suggesting that neither China nor the Soviet Union exhibited "opressive, dictatorial control"?

3. First, I said "Soviet Union", not Stalinism. Second, the Soviet Union did not impose absolute socioeconomic controls. Perhaps you should look up the word "absolute". Third, it is ridiculous to claim that "absolute socioeconomic controls" would not fall within the meaning of "stringent socioeconomic controls" (if such absolute controls were, in fact, possible). Please see my language Nazi comment in #1.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
1. I am not a political science professor nor is this a PolySci classroom. I am therefore allowed to use the word in its broader sense. I don't have to indulge the language Nazis. (This is your cue to tell me that you aren't technically a Nazi.)

2. There are two definitions given for the term. They have an "or" relationship. Either definition can apply. Are you really suggesting that neither China nor the Soviet Union exhibited "opressive, dictatorial control"?

3. First, I said "Soviet Union", not Stalinism. Second, the Soviet Union did not impose absolute socioeconomic controls. Perhaps you should look up the word "absolute". Third, it is ridiculous to claim that "absolute socioeconomic controls" would not fall within the meaning of "stringent socioeconomic controls" (if such absolute controls were, in fact, possible). Please see my language Nazi comment in #1.

everything is a nazi or a fascist for you, isn't it?

so just any absolute dictator is a fascist gov't for you? we already had a term for that, thanks. and you know what? if you can't communicate with people because you have messed up definitions for things you'll never get your point across.


again, wtf does rush have to do with anything?
 

feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: DoubleL
LOL I just can't help it, The ones that say Bush is stupid man they must really be smart, I don't think we ever had a president that can fly a fighter jet, Speak Spanish, Has the schooling all rolled in one, Oh and he had a flight suite on cause he was flying that jet, I don't think Bush is the best, He is a very smart man but I still think he bends to much for the Democrates but he is a lot better than what we could have ended up with and a mile better than what we had





So you thought that he was actually at the controls?





:Q
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
1. I am not a political science professor nor is this a PolySci classroom. I am therefore allowed to use the word in its broader sense. I don't have to indulge the language Nazis. (This is your cue to tell me that you aren't technically a Nazi.)

2. There are two definitions given for the term. They have an "or" relationship. Either definition can apply. Are you really suggesting that neither China nor the Soviet Union exhibited "opressive, dictatorial control"?

3. First, I said "Soviet Union", not Stalinism. Second, the Soviet Union did not impose absolute socioeconomic controls. Perhaps you should look up the word "absolute". Third, it is ridiculous to claim that "absolute socioeconomic controls" would not fall within the meaning of "stringent socioeconomic controls" (if such absolute controls were, in fact, possible). Please see my language Nazi comment in #1.

everything is a nazi or a fascist for you, isn't it?

so just any absolute dictator is a fascist gov't for you? we already had a term for that, thanks. and you know what? if you can't communicate with people because you have messed up definitions for things you'll never get your point across.


again, wtf does rush have to do with anything?
You become boring. I am sorry if you cannot handle colloquial English. I am more sorry you cannot or will not comprehend what you read, even when I give you a dictionary definition. I am most sorry that you are incapable of addressing the points I raise, so you instead resort to language-Nazi games.

You are the weakest link. Good-bye.

 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Crimson
[ ridiculous generalizations and other nonsense deleted ]
Greetings, Comrade Crimson. Welcome to the United States. Since you seem to be new to America, let me bring you up to speed on our culture.

Here in the United States, we place a special emphasis on personal freedoms. Having suffered the tyranny of old England, we committed to forming a new society where the people were kings and the government served us. We codified a set of fundamental rights we believed were essential for a free country, and we enumerated them as the first ten amendments to the United States Consitution. Perhaps you've heard of them; we call them The Bill of Rights.

At the very top of the list of these fundamental human rights is something called Freedom of Speech. We were angry that King George's minions would imprison or even kill fellow patriots who spoke up about his injustices. We knew we could not prevent government tyranny if we could not speak about it freely, if we could not tell our brothers and sisters when we were dissatisfied with our representatives. We explicity granted our citizens the right to Free Speech (and a Free Press) precisely to allow Americans to criticize our leaders, to rebuke our government, to call out from the steeples and hillsides whenever we feel our leadership has failed in its obligations to be lawful and just and fair.

I realize this noble ideal may seem foreign to someone like you. We know too well that fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union try to control their citizens' hearts and minds by controlling what they see and hear. That's simply not how we do things here. We are united in our commitment to freedom. It is why we are the great country we have become.

Yes, these freedoms are often incovenient to government lackeys and even to some elected representatives who have been drawn to the dark side, who lust for power instead of public service. We know you might be a little confused by the neo-facists who have undue influence in our government today. Nonetheless, these are transient problems that cannot persist. We will not allow it. We will not return to the dark days of King George. Our rights and freedoms transcend petty politicians and petty politics. They are the very heart and soul of America.

Again, welcome to America, Comrade Crimson. We will help you see the light. Here's a start:



THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Bump for ElfEnix. Care to address this in the context of Crimson's rant, or are word games the extent of your talents?

By the way, did you ever figure out what "exit polling" is?