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Gaard

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Originally posted by: DoubleL
LOL I just can't help it, The ones that say Bush is stupid man they must really be smart, I don't think we ever had a president that can fly a fighter jet, Speak Spanish, Has the schooling all rolled in one, Oh and he had a flight suite on cause he was flying that jet, I don't think Bush is the best, He is a very smart man but I still think he bends to much for the Democrates but he is a lot better than what we could have ended up with and a mile better than what we had

That's all nice and everything, but I have yet to see him rub his tummy while patting the top of his head.

 

busmaster11

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Yes I hate bush. I hate him as much as any American can hate another American and still be an American. Most of all, I hate him because I am an American.

Conservatives can slander and pretend they know things no one else does and kiss the NRA's arse and Israel's arse all they want, the results are pretty clear once the repugs get their arse out of the sand - or is it their heads?

This country is f*cked if it continues to be controlled by lobbyists. And bush didn't do us any favors by rejecting the soft money cap bill.

And once you answer the question - how many jobs did his tax cuts create? - any objective person can see its main purpose was to benefit the rich.

bush is a whore - and our country is the victim. PERIOD.
 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: DoubleL
LOL I just can't help it, The ones that say Bush is stupid man they must really be smart, I don't think we ever had a president that can fly a fighter jet, Speak Spanish, Has the schooling all rolled in one, Oh and he had a flight suite on cause he was flying that jet, I don't think Bush is the best, He is a very smart man but I still think he bends to much for the Democrates but he is a lot better than what we could have ended up with and a mile better than what we had


Flying a plane is not that hard. Having been a pilot for 25 years I can say that. Flying a fighter jet in combat is harder but Bush never did that. As near as I can tell he flew with an instructor most if not all of the time. From experience I can tell you that flying with an instructor is not hard at all. Anybody (with cash) can go out and get a ride in a T-34 (with instructor) and fly simulated combat against another T-34. The instructor bails you out when you screw up. I suspect the same is true of Bush's flying experience.

Bush wasn't anywhere near the controls of that S3 when landing on the carrier. When flying out there an 8 year old could handle the controls. I have had my boy "flying" since he was 6 or so. Fortunately I am there to get the plane on the right path when he screws up which is not all that often. Go out and take a flying lesson. In the first hour you will control the plane while in the air making turns etc., and will probably make a takeoff if you are even moderately coordinated.

To suggest that Bush is a learned President because he flew a plane 30 years ago is not realistic. What has he done lately?
 

zod

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I loathe him as President because, during his administration, he has made much of the world hate the greatest country on earth -- our United States. I've travelled a bit these past few years, and I've got to say, people don't think very highly of us these days.

Bush seriously has to go. What other president has sparked such hatred domestically and abroad?

Plain and simple, he is BAD for this country.

Let's even say its not totally his fault, its still time to fire the coach and move on.

I'm voting for almost anything the Democrats put up in this election, and I suggest if you folks give a rats azz what the rest of the world thinks about us, you do the same.
 

Boonesmi

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Originally posted by: zod
I loathe him as President because, during his administration, he has made much of the world hate the greatest country on earth -- our United States. I've travelled a bit these past few years, and I've got to say, people don't think very highly of us these days.

Bush seriously has to go. What other president has sparked such hatred domestically and abroad?

Plain and simple, he is BAD for this country.

Let's even say its not totally his fault, its still time to fire the coach and move on.

I'm voting for almost anything the Democrats put up in this election, and I suggest if you folks give a rats azz what the rest of the world thinks about us, you do the same.
blah blah

 

DealMonkey

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Maybe we need to get to the "root causes" of all this alleged hate? Just like the U.S. has done little to affect the breeding grounds that create terrorists, few (if any) of the YABAs here have sought answers to the difficult questions. If all these people really do hate Bush, then why?
 

smashp

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As a moderate to the right I dont like George Bush's Corporate policies.

Bush Believes that the only good comes from huge corporations with huge profit margins.

He also is doesnt stand for the values he ran on.

Isolationist, Smaller government, A uniter, Integrity.

All his Self described strengths are all fallacies.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: PatboyX
why start a thread just to start a fight?

I don't know

who....me?

:D

CkG

they should be more careful; its all fun and games till someone loses an eye.

but really, this thread is basically an all out attack instead of even pretending to say "hey, listen....we know you feel this way. maybe for the sake of getting to some real discussion we can make up a little sig for those people who 'hate bush' and color it for the degree and then we can get to some real issues"
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: smashp
As a moderate to the right I dont like George Bush's Corporate policies.

Bush Believes that the only good comes from huge corporations with huge profit margins.

He also is doesnt stand for the values he ran on.

Isolationist, Smaller government, A uniter, Integrity.

All his Self described strengths are all fallacies.

Exactly
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Crimson
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Greetings, Comrade Crimson. Welcome to the United States. Since you seem to be new to America, let me bring you up to speed on our culture.

Here in the United States, we place a special emphasis on personal freedoms. Having suffered the tyranny of old England, we committed to forming a new society where the people were kings and the government served us. We codified a set of fundamental rights we believed were essential for a free country, and we enumerated them as the first ten amendments to the United States Consitution. Perhaps you've heard of them; we call them The Bill of Rights.

At the very top of the list of these fundamental human rights is something called Freedom of Speech. We were angry that King George's minions would imprison or even kill fellow patriots who spoke up about his injustices. We knew we could not prevent government tyranny if we could not speak about it freely, if we could not tell our brothers and sisters when we were dissatisfied with our representatives. We explicity granted our citizens the right to Free Speech (and a Free Press) precisely to allow Americans to criticize our leaders, to rebuke our government, to call out from the steeples and hillsides whenever we feel our leadership has failed in its obligations to be lawful and just and fair.

I realize this noble ideal may seem foreign to someone like you. We know too well that fascist countries like China and the old Soviet Union try to control their citizens' hearts and minds by controlling what they see and hear. That's simply not how we do things here. We are united in our commitment to freedom. It is why we are the great country we have become.

Yes, these freedoms are often incovenient to government lackeys and even to some elected representatives who have been drawn to the dark side, who lust for power instead of public service. We know you might be a little confused by the neo-facists who have undue influence in our government today. Nonetheless, these are transient problems that cannot persist. We will not allow it. We will not return to the dark days of King George. Our rights and freedoms transcend petty politicians and petty politics. They are the very heart and soul of America.

Again, welcome to America, Comrade Crimson. We will help you see the light. Here's a start:



THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

God Bless America
 

Ferocious

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I dislike anyone who is bent on weakening or shrinking the middle class.

Therefore I dislike Bush.
 

Crimson

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Not sure why people are quoting the Bill of Rights.. I didn't say any of you didn't have the right to hate him, or speak out against him.. I said its getting old and tiring. You need to come up with SOLUTIONS rather than just saying "The president is ruining our country! He is stupid!"

Well, come up with SOLUTIONS instead of just insults..

Here's some of the facts:

There hasn't been another 9/11 attack since Bush starting dealing with the problem instead of pandering to terrorists like Clinton. As much as people like to say we are angering the world, everyone hates us, they haven't been able to reproduce attacks even remotely close to that. We have also prevented MANY attacks from occuring because of intelligence gained by capturing terrorist leaders.

"We are upsetting our allies". Well, Germany and France have probably been some of our weaker allies to begin with. They need us more than we need them. They also both have been proven to have alternate motives in Iraq.. France especially. As much as all the Bush Haters like to say he is corrupt and has sold out, why do they make no mention of France being corrupt and sold out for oil in Iraq? Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda..

Besides, Europe has a history of not dealing with its problems. WWI, WWII, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, etc.. If we left everything up to Germany and France to deal with we would all be wearing Red Arm bands with the Nazi symbol on it. We end up getting hated in the world because we are the only ones who will deal with terrorists.. The UN still hasn't made Yugoslavia any safer than Iraq is right now.. and how many years have they been there?

"We should let the UN handle it"... Bullsh|t.. The UN hasn't been able to solve problems ANYWHERE in the world.. please tell me one UN success story where they intervened in a war torn nation and turned it around.. You want examples of the U.S. doing it? Japan and Germany come as two pretty good examples.. Besides, the UN has no power or money without us.. so we may as well eliminate the middleman. Are we perfect? No, but a lot better than the useless UN.

"The economy is horrible".. Well, 5-6% unemployment or whatever it is, is not horrible.. The depression was horrible.. What we are going through is a correction of the Tech bubble. Believe what you want, but this economy was inherited from Clinton's administration.. and is really neither ones fault. The economy IS turning around, news today is showing that.. people are overeacting to a minor recession because it fits their Agenda that bush is the anti-christ.

Like I said, offer up some solutions.. what should Bush have done in certain circumstances instead of just blind "Bush sucks, he's stupid, the world is coming to an end unless Dean/Clark are elected".
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
I dislike anyone who is bent on weakening or shrinking the middle class.

Therefore I dislike Bush.

Thanks for that insightful post.. how is Bush bent on weakening and shrinking the middle class? Because I am in the middle class, and I like what he is doing for me.
 

roboninja

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Hell, Clinton's politics weren't that bad, because he was actually pretty conservative on many things.. along with the fact that the congress wouldn't allow him to pay anything too bad..

Then that is why you don;t despise Clinton; you even agree that his politics were not bad. I cannot make the same statements about Bush. I am not sure I have heard one decision he has made that I agree with (I am sure I am overlooking some small things here, but still).
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Ok, we get it already.. you guys hate Bush.. you would hate him if there were 0 casualties in Iraq, you would hate them if there were 10 million. You would hate him if he supported universal health care, you would hate him if he didn't. You would hate him if he won by 5 million votes, or 10 million, or 100 votes.. you would still hate him. You would hate him if he appointed a black liberal judge to every open position on the courts, you would hate him if he put in a white male. You hate him for not doing enough to prevent 9/11, and you hate him for doing too much. You hate him for lowering taxes, but you would hate him for raising them as well (cough, Bush Sr.). You hate him for trying to get an evil dictator out of office, but you hate him for not going after others. You would hate him if he didn't go to war, because he was not doing enough to protect American interests. You say character doesn't matter for 10 years, and now it does.

It doesn't matter WHAT our President does.. you will hate him no matter what. So stop hiding behind all these stupid anti-war, bad economy, etc postings and just post what you truly feel. If George Bush was Al Gore, nobody would be criticizing him for doing the exact same things Bush is doing. You hate the fact that Bush is President, and you will say ANYTHING he does is somehow illegal, immoral, unjust, etc..

And can you guys PLEASE come up with some criticism of Bush that doesn't include "he's stupid".. that little liberal handbook saying is getting old.. Reagan was stupid, Bush Sr. was stupid, Bush Jr. is stupid.. hmm, whats the common thread there? all Republicans? But wait, Clinton was GOD.. he was SOOO smart, spoke SOOOOO well.. everything about him is just SOOO great.. Yeah, no kidding, he's a democrat and you support him.. So lets stop the Bush is stupid stuff, because it seems to me like you think ANY republican is stupid.

Think about this for a minute, all you Bush haters. What are you going to do if Bush wins re-election? And at this point I think thats a really good possibility. Lets say for the sake of argument that Bush wins 54% to 46%.. Will you then continue on this he is stupid, everything he does is illegal/immoral kick? If 54% of the people agree with him, is he REALLY that stupid? Is he REALLY doing that bad of a job? Lets even say Bush loses the election and gets 46% of the vote.. The fact that nearly 50% of the people still agree with him, despite everything "stupid", "illegal", and "immoral" he does, will still say quite a bit.

Remember, this country is split nearly 50/50 as far as Republican/Democrat votes.. I guarantee you there are nearly 50% of the people of this country who agree with the vast majority of what the President does.. Does that make that 50% of the country immoral, illegal, and stupid? Apparently so.

Anyways, WE GET IT ALREADY.. You hate Bush.. we know! God please, give it a rest for a little while. You will get your chance to get him out at the ballot box in a year.. I can't even imagine how insane you guys are gonna go if he wins re-election.

OK, we get it too Crimson. You are a Bush apologist and you love Bush. You can give it a rest as well. We know you would love him regardless of how high a deficit he runs, regardless of how many jobs are lost on his watch, regardless of how many investors are fleeced by his campaign donors, regardless of how many towers fall under his presidency, regardless of how many CIA agents his administration exposes, regardless of how many crony sweetheart deals his contributors get on taxpayer or energy ratepayer buck, regardless of how many conflicts he gets us bogged down in with no exit strategy, regardless of how many villains he fails to capture, regardless of how many soldiers die in his adventures, regardless of how much poison is in your water and air, regardless of how expensive health insurance is, regardless of how many jobs are exported overseas, we know you would love Bush, come on this board and start your apologistic bait threads, and ignore his record. So there is no need to remind us you love Bush, because trust me, we know.
 

busmaster11

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Not sure why people are quoting the Bill of Rights.. I didn't say any of you didn't have the right to hate him, or speak out against him.. I said its getting old and tiring. You need to come up with SOLUTIONS rather than just saying "The president is ruining our country! He is stupid!"

Well, come up with SOLUTIONS instead of just insults..

Here's some of the facts:

There hasn't been another 9/11 attack since Bush starting dealing with the problem instead of pandering to terrorists like Clinton. As much as people like to say we are angering the world, everyone hates us, they haven't been able to reproduce attacks even remotely close to that. We have also prevented MANY attacks from occuring because of intelligence gained by capturing terrorist leaders.

They haven't been able to? What have we done that prevents a couple lone terrorists from running a nationwide sniper campaign that cripples the country in terror for months on end?

Answer - nothing. bush and the conservatives will only learn the hard way what the rest of us already know - you can't rule by being arrogant SOBs with unilatteral policies.

"We are upsetting our allies". Well, Germany and France have probably been some of our weaker allies to begin with. They need us more than we need them. They also both have been proven to have alternate motives in Iraq.. France especially. As much as all the Bush Haters like to say he is corrupt and has sold out, why do they make no mention of France being corrupt and sold out for oil in Iraq? Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda..

My agenda is to keep us honest and responsible. Clearly that conflicts with your arrogance.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Not sure why people are quoting the Bill of Rights.. I didn't say any of you didn't have the right to hate him, or speak out against him.. I said its getting old and tiring. You need to come up with SOLUTIONS rather than just saying "The president is ruining our country! He is stupid!"

Well, come up with SOLUTIONS instead of just insults..

Here's some of the facts:

There hasn't been another 9/11 attack since Bush starting dealing with the problem instead of pandering to terrorists like Clinton. As much as people like to say we are angering the world, everyone hates us, they haven't been able to reproduce attacks even remotely close to that. We have also prevented MANY attacks from occuring because of intelligence gained by capturing terrorist leaders.

"We are upsetting our allies". Well, Germany and France have probably been some of our weaker allies to begin with. They need us more than we need them. They also both have been proven to have alternate motives in Iraq.. France especially. As much as all the Bush Haters like to say he is corrupt and has sold out, why do they make no mention of France being corrupt and sold out for oil in Iraq? Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda..

Besides, Europe has a history of not dealing with its problems. WWI, WWII, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, etc.. If we left everything up to Germany and France to deal with we would all be wearing Red Arm bands with the Nazi symbol on it. We end up getting hated in the world because we are the only ones who will deal with terrorists.. The UN still hasn't made Yugoslavia any safer than Iraq is right now.. and how many years have they been there?

"We should let the UN handle it"... Bullsh|t.. The UN hasn't been able to solve problems ANYWHERE in the world.. please tell me one UN success story where they intervened in a war torn nation and turned it around.. You want examples of the U.S. doing it? Japan and Germany come as two pretty good examples.. Besides, the UN has no power or money without us.. so we may as well eliminate the middleman. Are we perfect? No, but a lot better than the useless UN.

"The economy is horrible".. Well, 5-6% unemployment or whatever it is, is not horrible.. The depression was horrible.. What we are going through is a correction of the Tech bubble. Believe what you want, but this economy was inherited from Clinton's administration.. and is really neither ones fault. The economy IS turning around, news today is showing that.. people are overeacting to a minor recession because it fits their Agenda that bush is the anti-christ.

Like I said, offer up some solutions.. what should Bush have done in certain circumstances instead of just blind "Bush sucks, he's stupid, the world is coming to an end unless Dean/Clark are elected".
Ok we get it already. You hate Clinton;)
 

DoubleL

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Oh you guys make me feel good, I know I shouldn't be that way, I know what you are going through, I put up with 8 years of the flag burner and know your pain, The one thing is I didn't let it blind me, I don't care what I think of the one setting in the white house this country comes first and I don't care what party you are from, I spent 20 years in the Army was shot in Nam and spent a year in rehab so I paid my part, Oh if a fighter Jet is easy to fly if you are not in combat I think I will still pass, Thanks anyway