OK, this is going too far (Ad Placement)

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Rand

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From what I've seen most people would prefer it on the right or the top, ad neither of those options would require anyone to scroll the page at all to see the ad's thereby not violating Google's requirements.

I've never complainted in the past, including when the flashing ad's and noisy ad's made their short appearance, but for once I will complain as there are clear solutions by placing the ad to the right or the left... solutions that have evidently been turned down for some as yet unknown reason.
I'm not going to leave the AT forums, but I will cut down my time spent here. I'll protest by not renewing my previous subscription however and I most definitely will not recommend anyone come to the AT forums so long as the ad's remain on the left side.
It's not much but it at least removes at least one potential subscriber and a few other people that may formerly have been recommended to AT Forums.

 

Codewiz

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I am personally amazed at how many elite members that are respected by the community are voicing their opinion on the issue of this ad. I was afraid that most elite members would say get the hell over it :)
 

Evadman

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
I am personally amazed at how many elite members that are respected by the community are voicing their opinion on the issue of this ad. I was afraid that most elite members would say get the hell over it :)

Elite doesn't mean what you think.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Originally posted by: Codewiz
I am personally amazed at how many elite members that are respected by the community are voicing their opinion on the issue of this ad. I was afraid that most elite members would say get the hell over it :)

Elite doesn't mean what you think.

I have been here long enough.....trust me.

There are elite members that I respect and some that I don't respect. It just happens that a lot of respectable ones in my eyes have come to complain in this thread about the ad.
 

chrisms

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You're all pathetic. Here you are, lucky enough to have the money to buy a computer, and you waste your time whining about a small new advertisement on a free website.

You get what you pay for. If you don't like the ad, pay money to get rid of it. If you aren't directly contributing funds from your own pocket, then Anandtech needs to find another source of revenue from you (advertisements), and you also have no right to complain about anything that they do to their website.

It's like if I walked into McDonalds and used their bathroom every day. Then when the bathroom is out of order, I go whine to the manager about it. Well guess what, the manager shouldn't give a rat's ass because you aren't a paying customer.
 

Lord Evermore

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Putting the ad on the right kind of would violate Google's requirements. If a user has their browser not maximized and below a certain width, when they hit the page, the ad would by default be far enough on the right to require scrolling to see it. In fact that's what many people here suggest and is why they want it on the right. Google's entire thing is they want you to be able to see the ad from the moment you open the page (and be reasonable, this doesn't apply if you shrink the window down so that NOTHING shows).

I don't understand how I became a bad guy from all this. I didn't say be happy, I said you can't do anything about it right now, they're testing it, you've voiced your opinions, and it's stupid to threaten to leave or claim to be the only thing keeping the site from going under. Do you think they don't know that if they drive people away with annoying things it leaves them without any customers?

Should I go count posts from other people stating what they think repeatedly? I think I'm pretty well set here, out of well over 300 posts I'm pretty much the only one bothering to consider that there's any side to this besides "AT sucks and wants to make us miserable".
 

olds

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
I think I'm pretty well set here, out of well over 300 posts I'm pretty much the only one bothering to consider that there's any side to this besides "AT sucks and wants to make us miserable".
This is far from the truth. I am not sure how you can afford that subscription considering what you must spend on knee pads.

 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: chrisms
You're all pathetic. Here you are, lucky enough to have the money to buy a computer, and you waste your time whining about a small new advertisement on a free website.

You get what you pay for. If you don't like the ad, pay money to get rid of it. If you aren't directly contributing funds from your own pocket, then Anandtech needs to find another source of revenue from you (advertisements), and you also have no right to complain about anything that they do to their website.

It's like if I walked into McDonalds and used their bathroom every day. Then when the bathroom is out of order, I go whine to the manager about it. Well guess what, the manager shouldn't give a rat's ass because you aren't a paying customer.

That is the DUMBEST comparison I have ever heard. AT makes money from the ads. Why do they make money? Because people visit this site that view then and click on them. With that in mind your bathroom thing makes no sense because Mcdonalds makes no money from you pissing in there.
 

Aves

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
I think I'm pretty well set here, out of well over 300 posts I'm pretty much the only one bothering to consider that there's any side to this besides "AT sucks and wants to make us miserable".
This is far from the truth. I am not sure how you can afford that subscription considering what you must spend on knee pads.

He doesn't have a subscription and is that "knee pads" comment supposed to indicate that he's some kind of suck up?

If so you may want to take a look at Evermore's other FI posts. He blasts the AT Mods/Staff all the time!
 

Lord Evermore

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Other people posting about the ads being bad:

Codewiz: 15
Oldsmoboat: 14
BingBongWongFooey: 18 specifically largely discussing how to BLOCK the ads

Certainly with me posting only 6 times (I assume that's right, I didn't count my own) I'm not much competition. I am certainly one of a very few who are saying anything other than that the ads suck and the site is going to die because of this one thing.

Of course, none of my points are ever refuted with anything other than "the ads suck".

I think the knee pads comment may be meant to indicate that I perform lots of oral sex on the AT staff. Rather offensive. Wonder if I can get you banned.
 

render

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options:

1. ignore the ads no matter where they are

2. refresh the page as fast as you can. (trying to overload the server- if 1000 people do this same time)

3. leave the forum
 

Confused

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I don't see anything wrong with putting it at the top.

It will remove that whitespace from the side.

Hell, just a couple of week ago, Zuni and others were discussing on how to remove the space below all the usernames in that column on the left, and now they're doing the EXACT opposite by placing that ad bar on the left.

Put it on the top, it will be visible when the thread is loaded (as per Google's terms) and people won't complain.

Easy to fix, IMO.


Confused
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
I am certainly one of a very few who are saying anything other than that the ads suck and the site is going to die because of this one thing.

Of course, none of my points are ever refuted with anything other than "the ads suck".

The site certainly isnt about to die because of the present ad placement, I'd bet in two weeks time this will all be forgotten by the majority regardless of the outcome. I doubt many will leave because of it, at least no more then have left over past foibles.

I don't understand how I became a bad guy from all this. I didn't say be happy, I said you can't do anything about it right now, they're testing it, you've voiced your opinions, and it's stupid to threaten to leave or claim to be the only thing keeping the site from going under. Do you think they don't know that if they drive people away with annoying things it leaves them without any customers? Should I go count posts from other people stating what they think repeatedly? I think I'm pretty well set here, out of well over 300 posts I'm pretty much the only one bothering to consider that there's any side to this besides "AT sucks and wants to make us miserable".

The one with the unpopular opinion is commonly attacked, it's almost the way of the internet. Agree with the majority or become hounded for expression your opinion.
Personally I don't see anything wholly wrong with what you've sai in this thread.
I do disagree that it's useless to keep complaining or let AT know that you have the intention of leaving over it.
Nothing will change for the better if we do not firmly express our negative sentiments towards present ad placement.
To quietly accept matters and move on would be to accept the ad's, and promote the belief there is nothing wrong with the present placement.
Whether for or against the ad placement, further feedback only serves to broaden the base AT has from which to draw as to public sentiment.

I don't think AT "sucks and want to make us miserable".
I merely believe the view the ads as necessary to attain the cash flow the consider adequate. What that adequate cash flow is I havent the faintest idea, from what I've seen in the past I suspect it's enough to put AT into a reasonable profit for the Administration after staffing/upkeep/server costs.
Cash naturally is more important then public opinion, that's the way the world works and I don't expect AT to be any different from that.
I view AT as a business at this point in time, and I sincerely doubt the sole purpose of this site is to benefit it's readers any longer.
Public opinion is very important to them given the volatile nature of the IT Press... without a solid fan base corporate support would quickly disappear and without that any enthusiast site would be difficult to run.

They evidently believe a left ad placement is the best solution. Removing the ad's clearly is not an option. In my mind a placement at the top would be preferable, apparently AT disagrees with this and has settled upon a placement to the right.
Hopefully this will change with enough negative sentiment.


2. refresh the page as fast as you can. (trying to overload the server- if 1000 people do this same time)

Attacking the server hardly solves anything, it only serves to bring ill-will towards yourself and deprive others of the knowledge gained from the main site and advice shared on the forum.
I'd much prefer left ad placement on the forums over bringing down the server(s) intentionally so that no one can view anything at all.
A DOS attack or any dirivative thereof doesnt exactle create the impression of a well reasoned and thought out argument as to why a left ad placement does not benefit AT.
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
I am personally amazed at how many elite members that are respected by the community are voicing their opinion on the issue of this ad. I was afraid that most elite members would say get the hell over it :)

I'll post what I feel. For the most part that's generally favourable to AT, at least relative to competing enthusiast sites.
I'm not going to bow down and promote poor editorials as fantastic, cheer on poor site design or any other potentially negative issues just because they've seen fit to reward me with the title of 'Elite' for my past actions on the forum.
In the end, the title doesnt mean much and I'd like to think people are well capable of forming their opinions on others without the need for such titles to assist them.

I'd hate to imagine that AT regards the title of 'Elite' as a bribe to become unobjective, and promote AT at all costs.
Certainly I doubt most of those with said title regard it in such a manner.
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Originally posted by: Codewiz
I am personally amazed at how many elite members that are respected by the community are voicing their opinion on the issue of this ad. I was afraid that most elite members would say get the hell over it :)

Elite doesn't mean what you think.

It does sometimes! :D
 

jmagg

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The forum renders perfectly on my 19in at 1152x864. Also, load times are the fastest they have ever been. This layout doesnt bother me at all.

Evermore, dont take all the credit.

Click the ad's people.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Other people posting about the ads being bad:

Codewiz: 15
Oldsmoboat: 14
BingBongWongFooey: 18 specifically largely discussing how to BLOCK the ads

Certainly with me posting only 6 times (I assume that's right, I didn't count my own) I'm not much competition. I am certainly one of a very few who are saying anything other than that the ads suck and the site is going to die because of this one thing.

Of course, none of my points are ever refuted with anything other than "the ads suck".

I think the knee pads comment may be meant to indicate that I perform lots of oral sex on the AT staff. Rather offensive. Wonder if I can get you banned.

I haven't ever said the ads suck. I have said NUMEROUS times that the placement is terrible.

My problem with you is the fact that you can't even comprehend what I have complained about. I have told you plenty of times what my problem is. You reply is silly everytime.

You are more than welcome to your opinion and I will actually RESPECT your opinion when you stop misrepresenting what I have said.

SO ONE MORE TIME. Here is my opinion. Here at Anandtech we need two types of people. The people that support AT by subscribing and people that don't subscribe. AT makes money based on both sides. If AT didn't make decent money off the Google ad, don't you think this issue would have disappeared quickly? They are making money. Why does AT make money with the ads? They have people that visit the site that click on them. So having the response everytime that I should just subscribe is retarded. The only reason I would subscribe is to get rid of that ad. I don't see that being worth $30. I also don't see how that really fixes anything. I feel I should be able to visit this site as a normal person and support the site by clicking ads.

All that needs to be done is to move the ad on the side to the top. But lets look at the argument "Anandtech Deals" has put forth.

Story number 1:
Sorry about the additional banners. We are experimenting as google no longer allows us to put their banner on the bottom of the page. We are doing our best to minimize banners.

It was suggested that we move it to the right side of the screen of to the top.

Story number 2:

Google no longer pays for banners that are "below the fold". This just means they do not give us any credit for banners that can be seen only by scrolling down. Unfortunately, this is a HUGE problem. The forums and site cost an extrodinary amount of money to maintain, and we have to take action in order to pay for bandwidth.

He obviously ignored the suggestions to move it to the right or the top.

Story number 3:

1.) We cannot move this banner to the top because there are already banners there. Yes it would be nice to not need additional banners but we do need to pay for the bandwidth. Some members were correct in saying we are probably not able to move the banner to the right side. This does not mean we are bending to the will of a certain advertiser. Perhaps you have seen other websites and how they are dealing with plummeting click through rates and advertising prices.

Wow another story. Why can't they move it to the right? He said they probably can't? I guess I will have to wait until he can pull some other BS out of his butt. The crap about why they can't move it to the top is just BS. They sure as hell can MAKE space at the top if they wanted to make people happy with the situation.


The best quote from this guy:

you aren't giving your 30 dollars to AT to pay for bandwidth (subscription), and you aren?t viewing the banners, we have no way to generate money for the bandwidth. Eventually, we will run out of money and the site will go under

Well guess what? By pissing off all the people with the ad on the left do you not think most people won't just block it? The insane fact is that I actually LIKE the google ads. They were usually the only ones that provided something that I was interested in clicking on. I support AT by having ads when I browse. Subscribers for some reason feel they are better than normal people. What they can't get through their skull is that I support anandtech JUST as they do. I do it in another way. Subscribing doesn't offer something to me that is worth me subscribing. Maybe if ALL the features promised came through it might be work it. Right now the only thing offered that is a reason for subscribing is removing the ads and I think that is a lame reason.
 

olds

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Originally posted by: Rand
Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
I am certainly one of a very few who are saying anything other than that the ads suck and the site is going to die because of this one thing.

Of course, none of my points are ever refuted with anything other than "the ads suck".

The site certainly isnt about to die because of the present ad placement, I'd bet in two weeks time this will all be forgotten by the majority regardless of the outcome. I doubt many will leave because of it, at least no more then have left over past foibles.

I don't understand how I became a bad guy from all this. I didn't say be happy, I said you can't do anything about it right now, they're testing it, you've voiced your opinions, and it's stupid to threaten to leave or claim to be the only thing keeping the site from going under. Do you think they don't know that if they drive people away with annoying things it leaves them without any customers? Should I go count posts from other people stating what they think repeatedly? I think I'm pretty well set here, out of well over 300 posts I'm pretty much the only one bothering to consider that there's any side to this besides "AT sucks and wants to make us miserable".

The one with the unpopular opinion is commonly attacked, it's almost the way of the internet...
IMHO, it is the way he presents his arguments. I agree he has a right to disagree. But he shouldn't do it by misrepresenting others views or making giant leaps in logic that have no basis in fact. He has a good point but he ruins it with his presentation and inane ramblings.

 

Wolfsraider

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Originally posted by: vexcom
I want to put an ad there, they seem to get a lot of attention :p

rotflmao

yesireeee that new ad has generated much anxiety...but does it benifit the site in money or just anger?
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Wow, talk about whining. Subscribe if you don't like the banner ads. It's only $2.50 a month... the cost of a cup of coffee.

I guess I need to spell this out for YOU.....

Subscribers give money directly to anandtech. Non-subscribers pay anandtech's bill also. No one would put ads on the site if there were not any non-subscribers. By putting these ads on the left, Anandtech is going to run off non-subscribers.

On top of that, why should I be forced to subscribe?? The ads make the forum nasty to use. I am not going to pay anandtech because they forced me into that situation. I don't need or want any of the subscriber features. I can deal with looking at ads when they don't interfere with the forum. I don't feel a need to pay for something because anandtech did something stupid.


Besides, once you get past the first two or 3 posts the ads end.

Stop getting all furious over this is deal with it. All of you have gotten some benefit from this place for no charge, and it's all adding up on the bills.

I didn't read 80% of these posts because I got sick of people whinning. I have no problem at all with the ads. They sit to the left of my screen and don't harm my reading at all. Maybe some of you people just have your favorites open with it stretched halfway across your screen or something.

Get over it. It is Anand's message board, and what he wants done will be done. He lets everyone in free of charge, and some of you (looking in FS/FT and HD) are making/saving money from it. Not to mention the great amounts of help that we all get from each other.

How you can say that it's unfair for them to put ads up here is beyond me. When you start paying the bills, then you can dictate how it goes. When you put your money foward to support this place, then you have the right to complain... oh wait, I believe they call that subscribing....

So why should you subscribe? The ads aren't forcing people to subscribe. The ads aren't driving away users, the ads are just giving the people who think that 100 pixels of width is too much a reason to complain. By subscribing, you are helping pay server bills, which on a site this large I'm sure are quite costly. Don't want to subscribe? That's fine. You can deal with the ads then. The revenue they generate will help bridge the gap in the bills. Sorry guys, but there is no such thing as a free lunch. The internet is no longer a place of profit for webmasters unless they are selling something, and you should all thank AT for not trashing the site to save money.
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: c
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
If your principles are so high, then PAY and keep this site alive. $2.50 is pocket change for you, but in large enough numbers for them, that's something. Support a site you frequent often.

You just don't get it. Our principles are why we won't pay that $2.50. Not all of us just bend over when faced with an erect p*nis. Meaning I disagree with their tactics and I will not submit to a hind quarters intrusion. I'll not subscribe and just bitch whenever the opportunity arises or the ads will get moved to a different side and that will be the end of that. If I subscribe it will be beacuse members are offered something I find useful or because I want to support the site. This AT strategy is counter productive.



A) You've been here for 57 posts. Shut up.
B) "Because you want to support the site" is exactly what ads and subscribing do. If you don't care about the site, then why should we care about your comments?
C) Stop acting tough, it's not working out.