Man, some people are a bit full of themselves. Since when is it so horrid to support a site by clicking ads that they put up there so that they can continue to let you use it for free? Your "expertise" isn't supporting the forum other than allowing someone who needs help to come here and try to get it, which means THEY need to click the ads otherwise all it's doing is using bandwidth. So the end result is by refusing to click ads, you pass the responsibility to someone else while being able to pat yourself on the back for helping people.
Everyone agrees the ads are bad on the left and need to be changed in some way. I think wrapping the content below the ads will ruin the layout even more, since the posts won't line up anymore, making it look even more unprofessional. I'll point out again that nobody complains that the main AT site's ads on BOTH sides of the screen result in only half of the page being real content, and that the ads result in gigantic empty spaces.
There seem to be an awful lot of people who are anti-advertisements even moreso than they're against the ads being on the left. If you can't stand ads, block them and don't complain about the forums being slow due to having to limit bandwidth usage, or subscribe, or try to find another forum with no ads. Nobody LIKES ads, but they are a necessity. Nobody guarantees that you'll be provided an ad-free, no-cost forum when you sign up for Internet service. Don't try to use the ads on the left as a way to hide the fact that you just don't want to look at ads at all.
There's nothing WRONG with the threads being a little more narrow, you're just not used to it, and you're used to getting full-width content without ads getting in the way, for free, and that's over, get used to it.
Everyone agrees the ads are bad on the left and need to be changed in some way. I think wrapping the content below the ads will ruin the layout even more, since the posts won't line up anymore, making it look even more unprofessional. I'll point out again that nobody complains that the main AT site's ads on BOTH sides of the screen result in only half of the page being real content, and that the ads result in gigantic empty spaces.
There seem to be an awful lot of people who are anti-advertisements even moreso than they're against the ads being on the left. If you can't stand ads, block them and don't complain about the forums being slow due to having to limit bandwidth usage, or subscribe, or try to find another forum with no ads. Nobody LIKES ads, but they are a necessity. Nobody guarantees that you'll be provided an ad-free, no-cost forum when you sign up for Internet service. Don't try to use the ads on the left as a way to hide the fact that you just don't want to look at ads at all.
There's nothing WRONG with the threads being a little more narrow, you're just not used to it, and you're used to getting full-width content without ads getting in the way, for free, and that's over, get used to it.
WTF? You're insane. Tables are meant for displaying tabular data, but due to their properties were hijacked for layout. They're fvcking messy and a PITA!
I understand the need for advertising (I guess), but that doesn't mean I have to like it. When the great Internet experiment started, the free access to information was such a boon that it could almost be called revolutionary for humanity. I now see everywhere the information being slowly squeezed out by online stores and advertising, to the point finding the useful information on webpages is difficult. If anyone here has ever taken art theory, you need to understand those ads and the even more distracting white space below them draw the eye constantly to that side and this causes me extreme frustation as I try to read or type (have lost my train of thought several times typing this message alone and feel like I am straining my neck to avoid looking at them as I type or read). If complaining of a legitimate gripe is whining then here is mine.
Driver sites, game sites and even information sites are all digressing into a pay for use marketplace (feeding frenzy). I sure don't like what this bodes for the future as gap between the poor and rich grows further apart.....
Driver sites, game sites and even information sites are all digressing into a pay for use marketplace (feeding frenzy). I sure don't like what this bodes for the future as gap between the poor and rich grows further apart.....
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hmmm. i see no ads. i see alot of white space, something that says anandtech related links, but it's just blank underneath. doh. crazy!
that has got to be the biggest waste of space i've ever seen tho.
that has got to be the biggest waste of space i've ever seen tho.
it is not merely a problem of advertising, this strays into offtopic but the larger problems the internet is facing right now are from irresponsible legislation, a clueless patent office and abusive legal threats.
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
And it appears that the CSS no longer blocks it, they removed the css class from the table. I can very likely find some way to get rid of it if I spend some time, but I am not going to post it, they obviously don't like people blocking it, and I figured that it was kinda risky to post the first one. All I have to say is, knowledge is power
Defeating that hack is like those sites that defeat pop-up killers...
What is this? another warez site?
The point of advertising is for people to notice them so they are "advertised".... I think they got what they want now that we have all these responses... objective completed anandtech! :beer:
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
And it appears that the CSS no longer blocks it, they removed the css class from the table. I can very likely find some way to get rid of it if I spend some time, but I am not going to post it, they obviously don't like people blocking it, and I figured that it was kinda risky to post the first one. All I have to say is, knowledge is power
Defeating that hack is like those sites that defeat pop-up killers...
What is this? another warez site?
IMO, the ads aren't that big of a deal but coding around the CSS hack destroys the "above the fold" excuse.
Anybody that can't handle reading or typing without becoming distracted and losing their train of thought due to a little whitespace maybe needs to consider some Ritalin or a little mental training in concentration and memory.
Change your colors. It's easier to ignore blank areas when it's dark compared to the content.
Change your colors. It's easier to ignore blank areas when it's dark compared to the content.
it might have been said already but here's my take on the current situation.
Google paid AT X amount to have these ads on the left side of the screen for Y days. And they will stay there for Y days and nothing we say will change their minds because of the contract between Google and AT. Now after that period has expired...who knows, it may stay, it may switch, whatever is in the best interest of the anandtech business.
Google paid AT X amount to have these ads on the left side of the screen for Y days. And they will stay there for Y days and nothing we say will change their minds because of the contract between Google and AT. Now after that period has expired...who knows, it may stay, it may switch, whatever is in the best interest of the anandtech business.
Anandtech forums will KILL itself if it keeps this up. Imagine a new user who comes here for the first time, and sees nothing but ads, a tiny thin slice for the messages (which is totally unreadable in Opera), and users complaning constantly. Do you honestly think anyone is going to subscribe?
Anand is just selling out. It's really sad, since I've been a fan of his site since we were both in high school. But I guess he wants to make a living, like anyone else, so he's milking his cow to death!
Anand is just selling out. It's really sad, since I've been a fan of his site since we were both in high school. But I guess he wants to make a living, like anyone else, so he's milking his cow to death!
Or maybe he's just trying to keep this thing afloat? Bandwidth ain't cheap. When you've got thousands of registered freeloaders, it disappears quickly.
Some people sound like they'd prefer to have Anand come to their houses and slaughter their firstborns rather than see an ad, any ad, let alone an ad on the left side.
It's not eve nthat ad that bothers me. It's the fact that it was implemented suddenly, and clearly, without any sort of testing. If they fixed the Opera problem I'd be fine with it, but they're seemingly ignoring their own bad HTML.
If they want to make money, they need to keep their users happy. They aren't doing that!
If they want to make money, they need to keep their users happy. They aren't doing that!
I have no problems with ADs. I have a problem with this ad's placement. I also have a problem with how it has been handled. First "Anandtech Deals" said google required them to put in a place that didn't require scrolling. The ad still requires scrolling on my screen. When people asked them to put it on the right side, "Anandtech Deals" changed their story. Basically these assclowns can't get their story right. They are lying. Simple as that. They lied during the TigerDirect fiasco and they are lying now.
At least I can still respect Anand and the moderators of the forums. Having spoken to Anand after the Tigerdirect thing, I figure "Anandtech Deals" would stay in line but it looks like the idiots messed up again if they signed a contract to keep it on the left side.
I don't see that AT Deals changed their story at all. The ad was moved because Google decided to make a rule about it. AT isn't going to give up the Google revenue so they put the ad where Google required it. The fact that you have to scroll somewhat to see part of the ad doesn't necessarily mean it violates Google's requirements. Your eyes can be drawn to the ad without any need to scroll, right from the top of the page; that may be all that's needed, compared to not seeing it at all unless you reach the very bottom of the page (since you can easily view the entire thread without reaching the bottom ad space).
Complaining that it doesn't look right in Opera isn't going to make any difference. The programmers for FuseTalk have Opera as a low priority for making things work, why should the admins of the forums be focusing on it? The majority of users don't have any problem with the way its displayed, nor do the majority of users have to scroll. The mantra of the forums has always been "it's a browser issue, we can't/won't fix it". The ad placement is just a table, nothing more. A browser that can't handle that isn't something anybody's going to want to try and code for. The content of the ads is the same thing it was at the bottom, the display of it shouldn't be any different.
No matter what anybody says, they run the site, they decide what the ads will look like and where they will be. The people who make the decisions haven't changed it, so obviously they feel it has to stay there at least for now.
Do you complain when other sites decide to change the way they arrange advertising? Do you threaten to never return to cnn.com when they change it? Or IGN? Or Gamespot, Gamespy, et cetera, et cetera? Do you expect "testing" of standard HTML code and notification "hey, we're going to try out a new ad layout"?
Complaining that it doesn't look right in Opera isn't going to make any difference. The programmers for FuseTalk have Opera as a low priority for making things work, why should the admins of the forums be focusing on it? The majority of users don't have any problem with the way its displayed, nor do the majority of users have to scroll. The mantra of the forums has always been "it's a browser issue, we can't/won't fix it". The ad placement is just a table, nothing more. A browser that can't handle that isn't something anybody's going to want to try and code for. The content of the ads is the same thing it was at the bottom, the display of it shouldn't be any different.
No matter what anybody says, they run the site, they decide what the ads will look like and where they will be. The people who make the decisions haven't changed it, so obviously they feel it has to stay there at least for now.
Do you complain when other sites decide to change the way they arrange advertising? Do you threaten to never return to cnn.com when they change it? Or IGN? Or Gamespot, Gamespy, et cetera, et cetera? Do you expect "testing" of standard HTML code and notification "hey, we're going to try out a new ad layout"?
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