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omg, I may end up building it myself...all these friggin places are gonna charge me tax..., that s about 250-300 extra!

ugh.

the only thin gI would have a problem with is setting up the raid, never done that before.

I'm debating an Intel 3.6 with the Fatality board

OR

Athlon64

I'm not too find of the chipset selection for this series of board! 🙁
 
ok, I just can't pay the extra money required...I'm gonna do it myself.

now back to the question...

would a 925/3.6 p4 setup be acceptable?
 
Originally posted by: Gulzakar
omg, I may end up building it myself...all these friggin places are gonna charge me tax..., that s about 250-300 extra!

ugh.

the only thin gI would have a problem with is setting up the raid, never done that before.

I'm debating an Intel 3.6 with the Fatality board

OR

Athlon64

I'm not too find of the chipset selection for this series of board! 🙁
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ROFL at two things.

Firstly, your choice of anything other than the A64 for a "Gaming PC" is laughable.

Secondly, you should be shot for even considering the "Fatal1ty" board. 😛

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: twitchee2
Buy the parts and have someonve else build it for you.
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I'll do it for $45, send me the parts, and a check and extra to ship it back.

Edit, just saw your building a P4. What do you use the system for ? Very little use for a P4 nowadays....
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Edit, just saw your building a P4. What do you use the system for ? Very little use for a P4 nowadays....
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ROFL! You really believe all of AT plays games and runs synthetic benchmarks? P4/HTs are *FAR* superior at heavy multitasking, video editing/encoding, rendering, etc. So because a person gets a few FPS less in a game with an Intel CPU, it makes the AMD64 better? SMP, for most, is far more beneficial than those extra FPS and synthetic benchmarking. Ever compile a kernel with a AMD64 vs Intel P4/HT?

I know I seem extremely biased here, but to be frank, I'm not. Heh, I'm sure most of you wouldn't believe me, considering what I wrote above. However, it is so annoying to hear everyone praise and glorify the AMD64 processor when it's not as impressive as most seem to make it sound. I think the AMD64 is a great processor in its own world, but to completely shun out everything and all other competition is ass-nine. As it always will be, AMD and Intel processors each have their own benefits.

For most people in this forum, it would seem this generalization comment can be applied to you:
AMD = Another Mindless Dumbfvck!
 
thats the thing..I do play games and spend a lot of time burning, downloading, and watching movies...

the A64 I have right now has a hard time multitasking.

 
I prefer P4EE for uniprocessor systems myself.

But since I have a quad opt850 and a dual opt250, I have no use for a P4 anymore.
 
I've heard that Fata1ity board is crap. I've seen at least three people return them to Microcenter -- and I don't even work there! I just seen it when standing in line.
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Gulzakar
omg, I may end up building it myself...all these friggin places are gonna charge me tax..., that s about 250-300 extra!

ugh.

the only thin gI would have a problem with is setting up the raid, never done that before.

I'm debating an Intel 3.6 with the Fatality board

OR

Athlon64

I'm not too find of the chipset selection for this series of board! 🙁
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ROFL at two things.

Firstly, your choice of anything other than the A64 for a "Gaming PC" is laughable.

Secondly, you should be shot for even considering the "Fatal1ty" board. 😛

- M4H
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somebody link to the constipated pic of "Fatal1ty!" That or icy hot stuntaz😛

 
So because a person gets a few FPS less in a game with an Intel CPU, it makes the AMD64 better? SMP, for most, is far more beneficial than those extra FPS and synthetic benchmarking. Ever compile a kernel with a AMD64 vs Intel P4/HT?
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1) At the same $, it's usually a significant increase (or decrease, depending on your perspective) between a P4 and A64 in gaming performance. The higher-end P4s (especially the P4Es) also run a lot hotter and use more power, requiring better (read: noisier) cooling. Also, with the exception of a few specific encoding programs (mostly ones that use SSE3), the A64s are almost as fast as the P4s.

2) HT != SMP. Evidence suggests that P4s are marginally better at heavy multitasking, but not enough to make a noticeable difference to most people.

3) A64s absolutely demolish P4s in every compilation benchmark I have ever seen. I'd really like to see benchmarks where a P4 beats an A64 at compiling any meaningful amount of code (ie, enough that it doesn't just fit in the CPU's cache).
 
With true SMP, Intel has no offerings. You might as well give your money to the tsunami relief fund. Then it would at least be useful to someone. Xeon vs Opteron is like a Honda Civis vs M1 Abrahams
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
A64 in socket 940 is a different story. Dual Opterons are merciless to Dual Xeons.
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I couldn't agree more!

Originally posted by: Matthias99
2) HT != SMP. Evidence suggests that P4s are marginally better at heavy multitasking, but not enough to make a noticeable difference to most people.

3) A64s absolutely demolish P4s in every compilation benchmark I have ever seen. I'd really like to see benchmarks where a P4 beats an A64 at compiling any meaningful amount of code (ie, enough that it doesn't just fit in the CPU's cache).
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A buddy of mine and I did do several compilation tests and the P4 came out a couple minutes ahead! I don't know what would have been very different between the benchmarks you read about and our 'tests'. I guess you'd have to believe your own test results for validation. 😛

I don't know what planet you'd be from if you couldn't notice the benefit of HT vs a single processor system. It's a night/day comparison. I don't care what benchmarks or calculations would show. It's the mere fact that HT *DOES* assist in making the OS run a lot smoother.

As far as heat/noisier cooling is concerned, have you used any machine from Dell lately? I wouldn't consider them water-cooled silent, but they're damn close, IMHO.

In regards to power consumption, a server/render farm might notice the effect a bit, but I doubt a home user would, in all honesty. I don't think it'd raise your electric bill at all. Though, I would bet a fair amount of money that the power consumption of a 19/22" CRT vs a 19"/20"+ LCD is quite a bit higher. In this regard, I'd still take a P4/HT + LCD vs AMD64 + CRT.

Besides, it's cold up here in North Dakota. We need the heat in the winters! 😉

Cheers! :beer:
 
Originally posted by: jamesbond007
A buddy of mine and I did do several compilation tests and the P4 came out a couple minutes ahead! I don't know what would have been very different between the benchmarks you read about and our 'tests'. I guess you'd have to believe your own test results for validation. 😛

I don't know what planet you'd be from if you couldn't notice the benefit of HT vs a single processor system. It's a night/day comparison. I don't care what benchmarks or calculations would show. It's the mere fact that HT *DOES* assist in making the OS run a lot smoother.
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This is from Silent PC Review (link):

Many people think that, because of HyperThreading, multi-tasking should be much smoother on a Pentium 4 than on an Athlon 64. While it is true that HyperThreading can provide a large benefit in multitasking situations, in my experiences the Pentium 4 is still significantly less responsive than the Athlon 64, even in situations involving heavy multitasking. I do software development work and most of the multi-tasking I do is during a compile. My Athlon 64 system is noticeably more responsive during a compile than my Pentium 4 system at work. Add to that the fact that the same code that takes 15 minutes to compile at work only takes 8 minutes to compile on my home machine, and you have a much more pleasant computing experience.
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I have not directly compared a fast P4 and an A64 myself. But this basically echoes the comments I see on these forums. I don't know what compilation tests you were running (details? Specs on the machines?), but I've seen a number of benchmarks (admittedly, mostly Xeon versus Opteron, where the 133Mhz FSB hurts Intel a bit) where Intel is just pummelled in terms of compilation time. Of course, now that I'm searching for them, can I find them easily? Of course not. 😛

here's one; this is desktop P4 versus Opteron. The P4 2.8C w/ HT enabled took 7m25sec. The Opteron 244 (1.8Ghz), running single-threaded (so only using one CPU) took 4m42sec. Multithreaded it took only 2m31sec (a 90+% improvement).

another; only AXP versus Opteron, but a decent performance boost.

one from AT -- single-processor A64s versus desktop P4s (scroll down for compilation benches)

As far as heat/noisier cooling is concerned, have you used any machine from Dell lately? I wouldn't consider them water-cooled silent, but they're damn close, IMHO.
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...and they don't usually have the fastest P4Es, or fast/hot video cards. A64s put out less heat than P4Es -- there's just no way around it. With everything else equal, you can make a cooler/quieter system around an A64.
 
I'm tired of building PC's too. Heck, my main rig has been down for 3 months cause I can't build up the motivation to fix it. I've been doing all of my work on an a64 laptop and an sff rig I built for HTPC. I may just stick to console gaming and then I wouldn't even need a PC, I could do everything on a mac instead.

One word of advice, if you do switch, though, is to avoid anything they call a 'gaming' pc. You're just being a sucker for marketing targeted at enthusiasts. Pick a place that gives you the ability to pick the main components and then you'll get your 'gaming' pc without paying for bs like alien logos and whatnot.
 
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