OK Roger, please tell why you dislike Fords so much...

[JulesMaximus]

I've owned 2 Fords in my lifetime. Both Mustang GTs, one convertible and one coupe, both 5spd manual trannys. I put over 100k miles on them and both were good cars.

I really like the looks of the '05 Mustang and am toying with the idea of buying one this fall or early next year. 😀

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Roger
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive,
Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five?
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down
It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Hey, hey!
Twelve yards long, two lanes wide,
Sixty five tons of American pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports,
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
She blinds everybody with her super high beams
She's a squirrel-squashin', deer-smackin' drivin' machine
Canyonero! Canyonero! Canyonero!
Whoa, Canyonero! Whoa!

I love that episode! Too funny.

:beer: to you for recognizing the reference! Wasn't that hard though...any Simpsons fan should have picked up on that.

 

[IamElectro]

I can't think of how many Ford street rods (pre 48) I have seen over the years that were with Chevy drive trains. Not that it means much but alot of the guys will say its because the engine parts are cheaper more reliable and easier to find.

My uncle is a mechanic and his favorite thing is to call the ford garage and make fun of the way the cars are built after he finds something really stupid wrong with one. His favorite is how they use 3 smaller coils on a six cylinder so the way it is set up is that when the spark fires it actually fires in 2 cylindrs at a time. One cylinder will be under compression and the other under exhaust. Now the fun part, it uses up plugs quicker because they get used twice as much. So now hes stuck changing plugs on an engine that needs droped down to get the rear 2 plugs.

Engineering at its finest I tell you.

I agree with Rodger.

 

That is called a wasted spark system and everyone is using it now a days Iamelectro 😉

Harley Davidson came out with this system long, long ago my friend.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I :heart: my Mustang, and I'll :heart: the next one I'll buy too.... so F u all ricer crappers...

Well I guess you didn't make the mistake of buying a '74 fastback like my dad did. Reason why that was the first and only Ford vehicle he's ever owned. Oddly enough, he did consider a Mustang back in '88 when he was looking to replace his truck. Thank god he replaced it with a Toyota instead of a 4 banger Mustang!

No car from the Big 3 (or anywhere really) in the 1970's was decent. Emmissions controls were in their infancy and there were all kinds of problems with cars that has "persistant running problems". I have an official publicity photo of a mid-1970's Pontiac Firebird. Very clear in this publicity photo is a gap in hood alignment that has to be at least an inch. You definitely didn't want an American car from the 1970's.

ZV

 

[IamElectro]

Originally posted by: Roger
That is called a wasted spark system and everyone is using it now a days Iamelectro 😉

Harley Davidson came out with this system long, long ago my friend.

I knew that it had been around for a while But my uncle only seems to bitch about the way Ford uses it.

 

Understood 🙂

Has anyone noticed that the "old" style ignition system with one coil firing all the plugs individually never fails, yet I see coil pack failures on a weekly basis.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: IamElectro
I can't think of how many Ford street rods (pre 48) I have seen over the years that were with Chevy drive trains. Not that it means much but alot of the guys will say its because the engine parts are cheaper more reliable and easier to find.

Ford's 351 will make a good bit more power than the 350 Chevy. Problem is that the 351 is nowehere near as easy to find and it's a more expensive proposition. Since people can get, shall we say, "far more than adequate" power from the Chevy 350 that does tend to be the route most people go.

Pesonally, if I ever build a street rod, I'm putting a Ford 460 in it. Love that engine. My grandfather had a Lincoln Mark V with the 460 back in the 1970's and he got well over 200,000 miles out of the car. Sold it and the next owner (a friend of his) put another 100,000 miles on it before we lost track of it.

Mmmmm, Ford 460 V8... 😀

ZV

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: IamElectro
I can't think of how many Ford street rods (pre 48) I have seen over the years that were with Chevy drive trains. Not that it means much but alot of the guys will say its because the engine parts are cheaper more reliable and easier to find.

This is usually done because the small block Chevy engine is 1 1/2" shorter than the Ford small block, thus easier to fit into smaller engine bays.

My uncle is a mechanic and his favorite thing is to call the ford garage and make fun of the way the cars are built after he finds something really stupid wrong with one. His favorite is how they use 3 smaller coils on a six cylinder so the way it is set up is that when the spark fires it actually fires in 2 cylindrs at a time. One cylinder will be under compression and the other under exhaust. Now the fun part, it uses up plugs quicker because they get used twice as much. So now hes stuck changing plugs on an engine that needs droped down to get the rear 2 plugs.

This is done to reduce hydrocarbons in the exhaust stream by burning waste fuel from the power stoke. And like Roger said just about every car manufacture is doing it today.

Engineering at its finest I tell you.

I agree 🙂

I agree with Roger.

Fixed your post. 😉

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Roger
Understood 🙂

Has anyone noticed that the "old" style ignition system with one coil firing all the plugs individually never fails, yet I see coil pack failures on a weekly basis.

Well, I wouldn't say "never". After about 200,000 miles I had to replace the cap and rotor on my old Accord. 😉

ZV

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No car from the Big 3 (or anywhere really) in the 1970's was decent. Emmissions controls were in their infancy and there were all kinds of problems with cars that has "persistant running problems". I have an official publicity photo of a mid-1970's Pontiac Firebird. Very clear in this publicity photo is a gap in hood alignment that has to be at least an inch. You definitely didn't want an American car from the 1970's.

ZV

I'll have to disagree on at least one point. The 1971 Chevelle SS LS8 has to be one of the greatest cars ever built, even if it's a Chevy.

I also thought the 1970 Superbirds, Daytonas, & 429 Boss Mustangs deserve an honorable mention.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Quixfire

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No car from the Big 3 (or anywhere really) in the 1970's was decent. Emmissions controls were in their infancy and there were all kinds of problems with cars that has "persistant running problems". I have an official publicity photo of a mid-1970's Pontiac Firebird. Very clear in this publicity photo is a gap in hood alignment that has to be at least an inch. You definitely didn't want an American car from the 1970's.

ZV

I'll have to disagree on at least one point. The 1971 Chevelle SS LS8 has to be one of the greatest cars ever built, even if it's a Chevy.

I also thought the 1970 Superbirds, Daytonas, & 429 Boss Mustangs deserve an honorable mention.

Point. I guess it really wasn't until '71 or '72 that the emissions stuff started coming in. '73 and on can have some big problems. The poor Corvette had to sacrifice its beautiful chrome bumpers around that time. 🙁

ZV

 

Well, I wouldn't say "never". After about 200,000 miles I had to replace the cap and rotor on my old Accord.

I was speaking about the ignition coil 😉

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: Roger

Well, I wouldn't say "never". After about 200,000 miles I had to replace the cap and rotor on my old Accord.

I was speaking about the ignition coil 😉

Then you aren't speak about Hondas with ignition coils under the distributor cap😛 I've had one of those go and now 2 distributors (bearings went out).

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Roger

Well, I wouldn't say "never". After about 200,000 miles I had to replace the cap and rotor on my old Accord.

I was speaking about the ignition coil 😉

Meh, same net effect. I mean, the coil packs are designed to get rid of the distributor so I tend to count the distributor as part of the same "system". Coil pack = coil + distributor to my mind.

ZV

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Roger
Understood 🙂

Has anyone noticed that the "old" style ignition system with one coil firing all the plugs individually never fails, yet I see coil pack failures on a weekly basis.

Well, I wouldn't say "never". After about 200,000 miles I had to replace the cap and rotor on my old Accord. 😉

ZV

I got 250K miles out of my cap & rotor on my 300TE. 😛

 

Meh, same net effect. I mean, the coil packs are designed to get rid of the distributor so I tend to count the distributor as part of the same "system". Coil pack = coil + distributor to my mind.

You must have a small mind
😛

 

[SWScorch]

I'm just gonna jump in here again like I always do and say that my family has owned more Fords than any other brand of vehcile, and we've had less problems than with any other brand. I've only heard of one other person getting 423,000 miles out of a truck, with the original engine, transmission and clutch, and that was a Dodge dakota with 400,000. My dad's 2nd Ranger had over 300,000 miles before we sold it (still running) Then we had a Sable wagon with at least 200,000 before we sold that (my mother killed it though; it still ran, just not too well). Let's see, what else was there? Oh yes, two F150s with over 250,000 miles, still going strong.

So anybody who says Fords aren't reliable apparently hasn't driven a Ford lately 🙂

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Roger
Take the motor mounts on the Taurus/Sable for example, I had to remove the A/C compressor, radiator, mounting brackets for the accessories and then disconnect all the motor mounts, lift the engine tranny combo just to get at the front liquid filled motor mount.

I'm curious: on what year/engine combo did you have to do all this to put engine mounts on? I've never done one that took me over 1 hr, usually 45 minutes.
I'll bet you're talking about the old 3.8's, they're a real bitch but after you figure the trick out they are gravy.

 

[goblue420]

Ford is the best! Hands down, best and best selling SUV: Explorer, truck: F150

 

[IamElectro]

Originally posted by: goblue420
Ford is the best! Hands down, best and best selling SUV: Explorer, truck: F150

Thats because Ford Motor Credit will write some higher risk loans more often than other companies.
My father has been selling cars (Chryslers) for 30 years that the only reason I know this. He has had many a customers come in to buy a Ram pickup but were unable to get financed through Chrysler or banks, and ended up getting financed through Ford.

 

[IEC]

Posting about cars makes me wish I had one... 🙁

 

[Pulsar]

Thats because Ford Motor Credit will write some higher risk loans more often than other companies.

That's a truly cerebral quote there. And of course, your dad works at a competitor's dealer, but hell, no bias.

Have you ever DRIVEN and COMPARED GM, Chrysler, and Ford SUV's? Or, for that matter, their pickups?

I do it on a daily basis, and I know full well why Ford Trucks outsell the competition. Now their cars are another story.

 

[pyonir]

how did this thread turn into a normal discussion about cars?! :|

 

pyonir
There is no such thing as a normal discussion in OT.