** OK Radeon owners I REALLY need your help and input !! **

[Taz4158]

<< I have an NVidia card already. I wish that some of the people on this forum (including you) would have been straigh up in regard to the problems this card has >>


Hard to be straigtup when we DON'T have these problems.

 

[BlvdKing]

I am entitled to my opinion as much as you are to yours. You have a problem free card, STOP RECOMMENDING IT AND MOVE ON. That doesn't make much sense, does it? I want people to know this card isn't as perfect as you make it. ALOT of people are having problems with it and they should do some research before they run out and buy it instead of relying on the vocal members of this forum.

 

[BlvdKing]

BTW, how can this card overclock &quot;beautifully&quot; with out overclocking function built into the drivers? Overclocking via Power Strip is ugly and most people would agree.

 

[oldfart]

<< i am having very bad luck removing the stock heatsinks from radeons please help!

so far in an effort to overclock a radeon 32 ddr, i have killed 3 radeons and one whole system that went up in smoke!
luckily all of this was replaced free of charge. i wont mention the retailer.
the problem lies in this: like many of you, i have removed the stock hs on these boards. also i have added ram sinks.
i have used the famous blue(or gold in some cases) orb video cooler. now, heres the kicker: the radeon gpu is so convex on all the boards i have aquired(higher on the sides than in the center) that i cannot possibly sand it to perfect flatness without hitting copper and killing it.
so the only other option is to have the new larger hs make very little contact with the gpu, thus, causing the gpu to overheat and die once overclocked anyways.
why does the stock hs work? well for one the board is not intended to be overclocked with the stock hs(not,in ati's eyes anyways). also, the stock hs being so much smaller can &quot;sink&quot; into the center of the gpu.i further noticed that the stock hs's all came only glued with the thermal grease in the center. this explains that ati knows these are convex. maybe they are built that way on purpose? as far as the stock hs goes, it is better to have contact in the center where most of the heat is, rather than simply &quot;teetering&quot; on the edges making virtually no contact at all. well, simply put, the larger hs has been an exercise in futility(at least in my case). i am now on my fourth card, with this same problem. i have not overclocked it yet, in fear it will die again. although, i have like an idiot, once again removed the stock hs, in favor of the above mentioned blue orb.
i would at least like to save myself and put it back to stock functionality. although, reinstalling the stock hs properly seems slim to none.

has anyone else had a similar problem with this board?
if not, any suggestions what i might do to remedy this situation?

i would at least like to save the board ive got.

any thoughts or suggestions on this matter are greatly appreciated.

thank you,
sendatooli. >>



Come on now. These guys are fsking up their cards by removing the factory HS/Fan. Sanding down the GPU until the core is hit, and frying the card. Total idiots. One guy did it to 6 cards!! I dont overclock my card, but have tried it just to see if it would. I've had it to 205/205 with nothing but the stock HS/Fan. Worked just fine. I never tried any higher.

There is no need to put some big stupid HS/Fan on a Radeon. If you dont fsck it up, you wont have a problem.

 

[conlan]

jack , check out this article @rolotech on overclocked AGP bus effects on various video cards....http://www.rolotech.com/reviews/videocard/Overclocking/choose_videocard/videocard_oclk_p3.htm#ATI

 

[oldfart]

Good article. Every card tested passed 89 AGP. Many could run 100 AGP, some not. After 100 most cards failed.

 

[KrispyKremer]

Never thought I'd own an ATI card, after working tech support and hearing about the lame driver support and slow speeds.

However, that was before the Radeon. Since I do more than play games on my computer, I didn't feel the need to go with an Nvidia chipset (had I wanted to do ONLY games, I would have chosen a GeForce 2). I upgraded from a Matrox G400 Max - great image quality, btw, but slow - to an All In Wonder Radeon. I liked the card so much, I put it in both of my machines. One is a P2-450, the other an AMD 1.2gig box. Having the tv tuner is nice, plus the fact I can use my computer as a vcr if I wanted. It's neat to be able to take snapshots while watching The Simpsons too

I was initially skeptical at first due to all the problems people were posting with this card. However, I've had absolutely no problems running this card on a Win98 machines or WinME.

Looking forward to ATI's next card. Let's hope they put the pressure on Nvidia to push quality video cards into the next generation!

 

[JackBurton]

conlan, THANKS ALOT! That was some VERY good info. I think I'm going to go ahead and go for it. And thanks to everyone else for their input, you'll been a great help!

 

[TravisBickle]

after prowling around the forums, no-one is ever going to convince me that radeon doesn't have big problems, with the drivers. it's common knowledge. it's quoted in website reviews. why deny it?
Taz, your radeon is working well. whoop-de-doo. have you ever considered *shutting up* a bit because you aren't representative? no offence, flameboy.

 

[Taz4158]

<< Taz, your radeon is working well. whoop-de-doo. have you ever considered *shutting up* a bit because you aren't representative? no offence, flameboy. >>


When the source is considered how could I EVER take offence? As for the Radeon I will continue to support and correct erroneous posts about it so people get the proper impression. That being that it works great for the majority of people and the small minority who do have problems make the loudest noise. Sound familiar?

 

[TravisBickle]

OK, it's Taz4158 against the world. 'nuff said.

 

[Taz4158]

<< OK, it's Taz4158 against the world. 'nuff said. >>


Yepper, I'm the only one in the entire world who's never had a problem. Guess I'm just lucky!

 

[Comp10]

<< OK, it's Taz4158 against the world. 'nuff said. >>


No...add me to the list of Radeon owners who have NEVER had a SINGLE driver issue with the card in the many months i've used it. My friend has also recently purchased a Radeon, and guess what, zero driver issues on any programs. Do some people have problems with the Radeon on their system? Of course, but so do Nvidia owners. And its funny how &quot;common knowledge about the Radeon's poor drivers&quot; can spread from just a few people with problems, then the hordes of others repeating the warnings as though it happens to everyone with a Radeon...

 

[JackBurton]

Do you guys think it may be just a VIA+Radeon problem? It looks like BX\815 owner aren't having too many problem with the Radeon. Just a guess...

 

[dougjnn]

Comp10 --

Are you running W2k and an Athlon (Via) chipset? That's where most of the issues seem to lie, from what I can figure out.

 

[Comp10]

<< Are you running W2k and an Athlon (Via) chipset? That's where most of the issues seem to lie, from what I can figure out. >>


No I am not running with Win2k or the VIA chipset and i'm sure that combo causes problems for some people. However, what I have a problem with is when people are making broad sweaping statements that the Radeon has poor drivers which just plain misleading for the vast majority of users.

 

[TravisBickle]

I take your point comp10, but respected sites mention this in their reviews. also I know for a fact the problems people have had with other ATi cards. hell, ATi wouldn't even make the maxx work in win2k

 

[Taz4158]

<< No I am not running with Win2k or the VIA chipset and i'm sure that combo causes problems for some people. However, what I have a problem with is when people are making broad sweaping statements that the Radeon has poor drivers which just plain misleading for the vast majority of users. >>

A voice of reason. The big thing is the people who don't have problems have no NEED to post. Thanks.

 

[Comp10]

<< but respected sites mention this in their reviews. also I know for a fact the problems people have had with other ATi cards. hell, ATi wouldn't even make the maxx work in win2k >>


Well i'm certainly not going to defend ATI's pre-Radeon history, that is without a doubt a distaster. However, something else to keep in mind is that most of those reviews on the Radeon are from when it first came out and not after all the driver updates since. I'm certian every Win2k and VIA chipset owner would report great improvements since the Radeon's original drivers. But like i've said i'm sure the drivers still have issues with some systems, however, the key word is some, not all. I simply do not want newbies looking for a new video card to read through these posts and get scared out of buying what for many people has been a great video card. But they certianly have a right to hear of specific problems people are having with any given system configuration (such as the VIA/Win2k issues pointed out).

 

[bigpig]

Just read a review on all card and their agp mhz threshhold the radeon was stable too 100 any thing over was a nogo.

And yes they did saay voodoo's dont like it above 66.

http://www.rolotech.com/reviews/vid..._videocard/videocard_oclk_p1.htm#Introduction

 

[BlvdKing]

<< No I am not running with Win2k or the VIA chipset and i'm sure that combo causes problems for some people. However, what I have a problem with is when people are making broad sweaping statements that the Radeon has poor drivers which just plain misleading for the vast majority of users. >>



It is a fact that the Radeon drivers are crap, esp in Win2K and Linux! Have you ever tried running 3D in Linux with a Radeon? Most people don't even get above 20fps! Maybe when you refer to 'the vast majority of users', you are refering to people using WinME/9x. I am sure that these people don't have alot of problems. Go out of the bounds of Win9x to Win2K or Linux and you are in for a world of hurt. IT'S THE DRIVERS STUPID!

I ordered a BLORB for my MX today (putting a BLORB on my Radeon will apparently kill it) and when it gets here I will give the Radeon to my wife. I'm sure she will have no problems with it since the most taxing app she runs is solitare.

 

[Comp10]

<< It is a fact that the Radeon drivers are crap, esp in Win2K and Linux! >>




<< I'm sure she will have no problems with it since the most taxing app she runs is solitare. >>


Thanks for helping me prove my point. Because you have had problems using the Radeon with Win2k and Linux, which very few people use compared to Win9x, you make the clearly misleading statement that it's only good for solitare. If you want to state how the Radeon hasn't worked well for you in Win2k and linux thats fine, but the drivers are not crap for the vast majority of people and you shouldn't be suggesting otherwise.

 

[demenion]

I've had my radeon for months now, (former geforce2 64 mb owner)

I am happy with it.

All my games run fine, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, Counter Strike, Sacrifice, NHL 2001, Giants, Hitman, Mechwarrior 4...

I love the VIVO, DVD Quality, 2D. ~

 

[Taz4158]

<< It is a fact that the Radeon drivers are crap, esp in Win2K >>


It CERTAINLY can't be user error in your case!

 

[PeAK]

Taz, Comp10, and oldfart are not the only happy Radeon campers...more here.