ok ok since nobody else is making a thread. ***Disaster as Korean ferry sinks***

[The Boston Dangler]

The lesson that's is reaffirmed here is that in any type of emergency, natural disaster, etc. do not simply listen to authorities. Do whatever you have to to get your loved ones and yourself out of danger. Make your own decisions and you will probably survive.

wow, it's tough to be more wrong with a single blanket statement.

make your own decisions, despite zero, incomplete or bad information, with little or no knowledge of how to interpret that information, and under extreme stress, and you will probably survive an emergency! no prob, thanks for that.

 

[OverVolt]

wow, it's tough to be more wrong with a single blanket statement.

make your own decisions, despite zero, incomplete or bad information, with little or no knowledge of how to interpret that information, and under extreme stress, and you will probably survive an emergency! no prob, thanks for that.

Sure you keep calm I'll be first out the door. 😛

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Sure you keep calm I'll be first out the door. 😛

and if that door is the 1 that lets in the sea or smoke or fire, i'll make sure you die before me.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

every time I've read news about this tragedy I can't help but think about how ridiculous it was for so many people to be so ludicrously subservient and stay put despite the obvious severity of the situation

no offense meant to the victims, but I can't help but put some blame on them (most definitely goes on the captain/crew) for failing to act in their own self-interest

 

[brainhulk]

every time I've read news about this tragedy I can't help but think about how ridiculous it was for so many people to be so ludicrously subservient and stay put despite the obvious severity of the situation

no offense meant to the victims, but I can't help but put some blame on them (most definitely goes on the captain/crew) for failing to act in their own self-interest

Well you can't have the other side of the spectrum. A bunch of dumbasses panicking and trampling over each other like it's a Black Friday sale either.

I think what we had here are students who follow directions but the people giving them were incompetent and cowards.

 

[Humpy]

wow, it's tough to be more wrong with a single blanket statement.

make your own decisions, despite zero, incomplete or bad information, with little or no knowledge of how to interpret that information, and under extreme stress, and you will probably survive an emergency! no prob, thanks for that.

WTF are you going on about?

What knowledge is there to interpret about a sinking ship? Or a structure fire? Or a hurricane? I'm OK with you standing around till you are told what to do by some tard wearing the hat of knowledge and authority.

I am pretty confident in saying that most of the pile of kids pressed up against each other, flailing around in the darkness of an ever decreasing air bubble inside the hull of an overturned ship, struggling for their last breath, wished they would have taken their chances and headed up to the open air during the half hour or so where they had the opportunity.

 

[Pocatello]

These were good Asian kids who were going to do what the authority told them to do.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

WTF are you going on about?

What knowledge is there to interpret about a sinking ship? Or a structure fire? Or a hurricane? I'm OK with you standing around till you are told what to do by some tard wearing the hat of knowledge and authority.

I am pretty confident in saying that most of the pile of kids pressed up against each other, flailing around in the darkness of an ever decreasing air bubble inside the hull of an overturned ship, struggling for their last breath, wished they would have taken their chances and headed up to the open air during the half hour or so where they had the opportunity.

there are circumstances where people have to respond to an immediate threat - fire, drowning, suffocation, etc. there are other circumstances where people compound the difficulty or danger - opening a hot door, walking into an electrified area, moving someone with a back injury, and so on.

with a grand total of zero years at sea, i still feel confident that a hysterical free-for-all is not the preferred means of evacuating a ship.

 

[Printer Bandit]

In a phone call as the boat was sinking, Mr Byung said he told his daughter to "keep calm" but regretted not telling her to abandon the ferry.

"I should have told her to jump out of the boat," he explained.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27087469

 

[Carson Dyle]

Latest Headline: "Death Toll Has Risen to 49"

There are 253 missing people, you idiots. Do you think maybe they all swam to shore and are partying on the beach where nobody can see them?

 

[Mai72]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/20/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/

Heartbreaking.

I guess South Korea holds a place in my heart, because I've met so many wonderful people there. 🙁

 

[dustb0wlkid]

there are circumstances where people have to respond to an immediate threat - fire, drowning, suffocation, etc. there are other circumstances where people compound the difficulty or danger - opening a hot door, walking into an electrified area, moving someone with a back injury, and so on.

with a grand total of zero years at sea, i still feel confident that a hysterical free-for-all is not the preferred means of evacuating a ship.

You really are quite daft.

 

[dbk]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/21/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/index.html

Bodies brought ashore

At least 87 people have died in the sinking, and 215 are missing, the South Korean coast guard said Monday night. Although 174 people were rescued soon after the vessel sank Wednesday, no survivors have been found since. After divers found a way into the submerged ship, search crews have been bringing ashore body after body.

They are carried onto the dock one by one, tied up in identical white bags. Family members of the missing passengers wait anxiously, bracing themselves. The bodies are put on a stretcher, draped with a blanket and taken up a gravel path. Identification takes place inside white domed tents from which the howls of grief-stricken parents escape.

"You must've said, 'Daddy, save me,'" weeps one father.

Some of the police officers standing guard outside wipe away tears. With hundreds of people still missing, the grim process is likely to be repeated again and again.

Wow so f'in sad.

 

[Mermaidman]

Uh oh - The ferry was renovated recently to add a new upper deck to increase passenger capacity. :\

 

[Ns1]

If I'm ever on a ship and it starts listing I am getting the fuck out of there.

 

[madoka]

no offense meant to the victims, but I can't help but put some blame on them (most definitely goes on the captain/crew) for failing to act in their own self-interest

So, conditions are bad outside. The waves are fierce, it is pouring rain, and there is no visibility. There are no life boats in the water, nor are there any other ships nearby. The water temperature is 12 degrees, which means exhaustion in half an hour and death in as little as one hour.

I take it you'll still jump into the freezing, murky water? 🙄

 

[K1052]

Seems to be a lot of questions about if the ship was ballasted properly accounting for more topside weight and if cargo was properly secured. Combined with turning at too high a speed and possibly an inexperienced crew member in command.

Regardless, they shouldn't have spent 30-40 minutes dicking around with ballast system while their list increased. Should have gone to muster stations right away.

 

[K1052]

So, conditions are bad outside. The waves are fierce, it is pouring rain, and there is no visibility. There are no life boats in the water, nor are there any other ships nearby. The water temperature is 12 degrees, which means exhaustion in half an hour and death in as little as one hour.

I take it you'll still jump into the freezing, murky water? 🙄

If I'm on an RORO listing past 60 degrees I'd be considering it as a leading option. Or at least try to find a life raft, ring, or something. Sure as shit I'd be on deck at least waiting to see what happens instead of in my cabin.

Damn things can sink super fast.

 

[Jinny]

the suicide note:

""While 200 (students) are dead or alive, it is too much for my strength to live alone.
Give me full responsibility. I was the one who carried forward with the class trip. Cremate my body and spread my ashes near the sunken boat site. In the afterlife, maybe I will be the teacher to the students whose bodies have not been found.""

heartbreaking

 

[ponyo]

So, conditions are bad outside. The waves are fierce, it is pouring rain, and there is no visibility. There are no life boats in the water, nor are there any other ships nearby. The water temperature is 12 degrees, which means exhaustion in half an hour and death in as little as one hour.

I take it you'll still jump into the freezing, murky water? 🙄

I've read there were enough lifeboats on the ship for everyone to evacuate if the captain acted sooner. Everything I'm reading suggest gross incompetence by the captain and the crew.

The entire surviving crew and the captain should be placed in a large crate and dropped off at the site of the crash so they can drown. Living is going to be too harsh of a penalty for them. Only mercy for them is death by drowning.

 

[dustb0wlkid]

So, conditions are bad outside. The waves are fierce, it is pouring rain, and there is no visibility. There are no life boats in the water, nor are there any other ships nearby. The water temperature is 12 degrees, which means exhaustion in half an hour and death in as little as one hour.

I take it you'll still jump into the freezing, murky water? 🙄

I might not jump right in, but I sure as shit would be topside and ready to at any moment. Also, you act like they were out in the middle of the ocean where no one could reach them. They weren't. Rescue craft arrived in plenty of time, because they were in a very well traveled area. Taking all of that into consideration, it was asinine to be below-decks for ANY reason.

 

[Jeff7]

I might not jump right in, but I sure as shit would be topside and ready to at any moment. Also, you act like they were out in the middle of the ocean where no one could reach them. They weren't. Rescue craft arrived in plenty of time, because they were in a very well traveled area. Taking all of that into consideration, it was asinine to be below-decks for ANY reason.

It sounds like they started to list pretty hard in a short amount of time, and would have had trouble moving around inside the ship. I guess by the time the crew realized they were in very serious trouble (which may or may not have been excessive for the situation), navigating a ship's interior that's partially sideways was going to be very difficult or even impossible.

 

[Markbnj]

I might not jump right in, but I sure as shit would be topside and ready to at any moment. Also, you act like they were out in the middle of the ocean where no one could reach them. They weren't. Rescue craft arrived in plenty of time, because they were in a very well traveled area. Taking all of that into consideration, it was asinine to be below-decks for ANY reason.

On an individual level, and as someone who has spent a bunch of time at sea, I'm with you. There's a certain amount of list I would instinctively be able to tolerate, and then at some point (maybe 60 degrees) I'm getting on deck. Triple that if I know there is water coming in. Hell, quadruple it.

From the crew's perspective things aren't quite that simple. They don't have one or two or three lives to worry about; they have a whole shipload. Panic is the number one thing you want to avoid. Secondly, if there are still efforts ongoing to try and save the ship then having the passengers milling about on deck isn't going to help. The issue is one of judgement. Emergencies at sea have to be dealt with as they happen. Captains are very highly experienced people and they have a ton of authority to exercise judgement and make decisions. That's why they are held so strictly accountable when things go wrong.

 

[dawheat]

It sounds like they started to list pretty hard in a short amount of time, and would have had trouble moving around inside the ship. I guess by the time the crew realized they were in very serious trouble (which may or may not have been excessive for the situation), navigating a ship's interior that's partially sideways was going to be very difficult or even impossible.

Thing is as a precaution, they should have had everyone at evacuation stations or topside - not necessarily in the water. So if they had to abandon ship, it'd be much faster than people getting out of the bowels of the ship.

 

[Ns1]

aw man

Divers searching a sunken passenger ferry off South Korea found 48 bodies in a single room on the vessel meant to accommodate 38 people, officials say.

The group was crammed into a dormitory and all were wearing lifejackets, a South Korean Navy officer said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27162157