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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Cerb
Yes, there would be, however, there would be no us.
OUr universe is defined by our collective and individual perception of it. The Earth, the stars, all the planets, other people, exist for all, and exist in each person as each person percieves it. With a lack of that perception, we would cease to exist, but what occurs in the universe beyond our perception would not.


How can you even speak a word once you imagine something beyond our perception? Without consciousness perception is moot - without perception *blank*
 

Evadman

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If a tree fell on episodic and no one heard it, did it really fall, or did the tree simply go from standing to laying on top of episodic's crushed body?
 

episodic

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Originally posted by: her209
How do we know that what we perceive is real?

Exactly - even something as mundane as color is dictated by our sunlight.


Somethings color changes as the sun changes.


Look at it at mid day, then look at something at end of day when only the orange/red rays make it on the horizon . . .
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Evadman
If a tree fell on episodic and no one heard it, did it really fall, or did the tree simply go from standing to laying on top of episodic's crushed body?
:eek:uch;
 

DivideBYZero

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This thread is a figment of your overactive imagination.

If no one is around to see me type, do I post?
 

episodic

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Evadman
If a tree fell on episodic and no one heard it, did it really fall, or did the tree simply go from standing to laying on top of episodic's crushed body?



Yea, you are getting it. But if I had no mind, and if there were no other minds - there would be no perception of 'tree' or 'fall' or any other word in your sentence.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: episodic
Originally posted by: her209
How do we know that what we perceive is real?

Exactly - even something as mundane as color is dictated by our sunlight.


Somethings color changes as the sun changes.


Look at it at mid day, then look at something at end of day when only the orange/red rays make it on the horizon . . .

That doesn't matter. Everything is still there no matter what it looks like to us or any other animals.