OK, college computer, i'm gonna get a mac, what should i buy

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michaelh20

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: lowtech
Don't really need fast computer, because you are not going to compile large amount of code, but a large screen & high res is a bonus.

Chances are you will need a Windows box to test out your code, therefore it is best to get an x86 machine & dual boot with Windows/Unix/Linux.

If you have the cash then get a Mac if you are gung ho on it because there is such thing as VMware.

i seee so many more linux/unix boxes in the CS computer labs than windows boxes. i don't know if i've seen windows on a CS lab machine

This was the situation where I was too.. often times most machines were Sun machines too. I would think Linux/Unix would be the most compatible thing for a Csci major, either that or a good SSH program on either Mac or Windows. One thing for sure, you aren't *that* likely to ever see a Microsoft compiler in a Csci program, although perhaps it would be nice if they taught more things like that. At least where I went, this is how it was.

I suppose they don't make VC++ for the mac either :)

 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Here there's a win2k lab, a FreeBSD lab and a Linux lab.

FWIW I think you should wait and see what the Centrino-based laptops look/perform like. They should be lighter and have longer battery life than the current P4-M's. But if you're dead set Mac, then by all means get a Mac. IMHO, don't bother getting a laptop, some of my friends have one and they use it outside their dorms once every 2 weeks, if even that.
 
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first off, i dont support mac at all.

Second, get a custom build laptop running on a win2k base, grea machines, i just sold my baby win2k, 1024mb ram, p4 2.4, radeon9000 togo. unf it was hot and cexy.
 

i3rYs0n

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Here there's a win2k lab, a FreeBSD lab and a Linux lab.

FWIW I think you should wait and see what the Centrino-based laptops look/perform like. They should be lighter and have longer battery life than the current P4-M's. But if you're dead set Mac, then by all means get a Mac. IMHO, don't bother getting a laptop, some of my friends have one and they use it outside their dorms once every 2 weeks, if even that.

Hmm centrino... well i got till fall to get a lappy, i'll prolly wait till 3 or 4 weeks b4 school starts to get a laptop. Well i'm thinking seriouse about heading the ibook/imac way, so i have a powerful desktop, and a slightly slower lappy that is very very portable. When you think the centrino's will come out?

Well i think i would use the lappy outside of my dorm more than that, i'll prolly take it to class if the teach don't care.

Bryson
 

i3rYs0n

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Originally posted by: ThinkTankDesign
first off, i dont support mac at all.

Second, get a custom build laptop running on a win2k base, grea machines, i just sold my baby win2k, 1024mb ram, p4 2.4, radeon9000 togo. unf it was hot and cexy.

Bhaa win 2k, hated it, the only windows os i like is XP, and that is barely bearable
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Here there's a win2k lab, a FreeBSD lab and a Linux lab.

FWIW I think you should wait and see what the Centrino-based laptops look/perform like. They should be lighter and have longer battery life than the current P4-M's. But if you're dead set Mac, then by all means get a Mac. IMHO, don't bother getting a laptop, some of my friends have one and they use it outside their dorms once every 2 weeks, if even that.

Hmm centrino... well i got till fall to get a lappy, i'll prolly wait till 3 or 4 weeks b4 school starts to get a laptop. Well i'm thinking seriouse about heading the ibook/imac way, so i have a powerful desktop, and a slightly slower lappy that is very very portable. When you think the centrino's will come out?

Well i think i would use the lappy outside of my dorm more than that, i'll prolly take it to class if the teach don't care.

Bryson

Intel is planning on launching Centrino on March 12th (at CeBit I think).

Trust me when I tell you that when you realize your only use for your laptop is games you won't be carrying around that much, especially considering that Mac laptop will have less than stellar gaming performance. Dorms are a few minutes away from your classes, you'll be much happier (gaming and programming) if you buy yourself a nice big screen and a desktop PC or Mac.
 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: Elitebull
what are you gonna major in?

Computer programming - then gonna head toward flash, and web development but that will prolly end up being a side job. i'll proly end up working for duke engergy(charlotte) i/t dept., cuz my mom is an i/t manager and she could at least help me get my foot in the door

and my minor will be the beach/babes, gah can't wait

i hope you like the computer lab because without a PC you'll be spending a lot of time there.

but out of the choices, I say go with the combo.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

XP home? That's your problem right there.


LMAO windows is a problem in itself, but what other choice do i got linux, wtf is a person that is totaly oblivious to linux susposed to do, watch it run so i can say it was up for 2.5 years without crashing?

LMAO jmmsWHATtheFvCkEVERrbnd007,
biased pos
~Bryson

No other choice than Linux?

Hmmm... I run FreeBSD, with X and KDE my children can handle the computer it is NOT that hard...

I still love the PowerBooks though... :D
 

i3rYs0n

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Originally posted by: SnapIT

No other choice than Linux?

Hmmm... I run FreeBSD, with X and KDE my children can handle the computer it is NOT that hard...

I still love the PowerBooks though... :D

Yeah, i can handle it, but i still don't know how to make a shortcut, my limit on linux is AIM, Internet, ... the list ends there, oh yeah i did play that penguin game once.

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Intel is planning on launching Centrino on March 12th (at CeBit I think).

Trust me when I tell you that when you realize your only use for your laptop is games you won't be carrying around that much, especially considering that Mac laptop will have less than stellar gaming performance. Dorms are a few minutes away from your classes, you'll be much happier (gaming and programming) if you buy yourself a nice big screen and a desktop PC or Mac.

dude, i dont' think i will be gaming at all, i got a geforce 4 4200 128 mb, i've owned it for 2 weeks, and i don't even got a game installed, lol



 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: SnapIT

No other choice than Linux?

Hmmm... I run FreeBSD, with X and KDE my children can handle the computer it is NOT that hard...

I still love the PowerBooks though... :D

Yeah, i can handle it, but i still don't know how to make a shortcut, my limit on linux is AIM, Internet, ... the list ends there, oh yeah i did play that penguin game once.

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Intel is planning on launching Centrino on March 12th (at CeBit I think).

Trust me when I tell you that when you realize your only use for your laptop is games you won't be carrying around that much, especially considering that Mac laptop will have less than stellar gaming performance. Dorms are a few minutes away from your classes, you'll be much happier (gaming and programming) if you buy yourself a nice big screen and a desktop PC or Mac.

dude, i dont' think i will be gaming at all, i got a geforce 4 4200 128 mb, i've owned it for 2 weeks, and i don't even got a game installed, lol


I downloaded starlancer the other day and played it for 5 mins got bored and deleted it, i installed cs a week ago and deleted it about 10 mins after installing without even playing it. I had a gf4 and didnt play games, only thing I do on my comp is school work, ppt, word, net, aim, and video editing.

Josh
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Jmmsbnd007 <- pc fanboy

well dude i don't think you have ever used one at least never while being impartial, when i first got a look at the dude laptop, the ibook and the 2ghz pc laptop, i still loathed macs, but then i got a chancet to use it, and i really liked it.

Programs? well as pc has programs and many of them, so to macs, you can find any type of 3rd party program that you could want(and b4 you say antything about 3rd party programs, all of pc's programs are thrid party they just cost money). Also Macs do lack in games, but i don't think i'll get board enough to play one, especially not in college, i would go out and live a little, and party it up.

Me the only thing i do on the 1.33 ghz peice of junk is Internet, AIM, word, Dreamweaver, and fireworks. and if you think about it, the last to were made for macs, hint MACromedia..

~Bryson <- fixin to be a mac fanboy
PC fanboy? Well of course. I have used one before. I hated it. I hate the fruity interface. I hate the incompatability. I hate how people pay 1.5 for .5. How is a 1.33 a POS? I've had mine for over 20 months now and with just a videocard upgrade it's still one of the fastest at lan parties.
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

XP home? That's your problem right there.


LMAO windows is a problem in itself, but what other choice do i got linux, wtf is a person that is totaly oblivious to linux susposed to do, watch it run so i can say it was up for 2.5 years without crashing?

LMAO jmmsWHATtheFvCkEVERrbnd007,
biased pos
~Bryson
Biased? You're sitting here telling everyone how you're going to spend $3000 of your PARENTS' money to buy a crapple. Win2k > you.
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: ThinkTankDesign
first off, i dont support mac at all.

Second, get a custom build laptop running on a win2k base, grea machines, i just sold my baby win2k, 1024mb ram, p4 2.4, radeon9000 togo. unf it was hot and cexy.

Bhaa win 2k, hated it, the only windows os i like is XP, and that is barely bearable
It must be from the elementary school interface.
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: LaSt
Originally posted by: ThinkTankDesign
first off, i dont support mac at all.

Second, get a custom build laptop running on a win2k base, grea machines, i just sold my baby win2k, 1024mb ram, p4 2.4, radeon9000 togo. unf it was hot and cexy.

Bhaa win 2k, hated it, the only windows os i like is XP, and that is barely bearable
It must be from the elementary school interface.

:confused:





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stev0

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3k is a ridiclous amount of money to spend on a 15" mac... I'm not trying to say they are bad, they are actually really nice... but for the price you don't get that much.

for 3k you could get a 16" lcd, 2.8-3.0ghz p4, 1gig ram, dual 40gig hard drives, dvd/cd-rw, mp3 player, tv tuner, full keyboard with 10key and much more.

www.sagernotebooks.com
 

yoda291

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Honestly, if you're serious about doing comsci, learn a unix os like linux or bsd. If nothing else, it'll come in handy when you're doing those 11th hour changes to a C routine that your client forgot to mention was needed(IT WILL HAPPEN!!!). As I've stated earlier, I'm not a mac person, I've used them b4 and for all the mac people around me, os9 was far too unstable and osx, while a quantum leap forward, is very bloated for what it is, an interface for a bsd operating system (iirc darwin). If you do make a move to a "purer" unix system, a PC is nice to have if for nothing more than hardware compatibility. ( "shortcut" in unix)

I can tell you in all honesty, from a cs graduate perspective, that 95-100% of all code you are taught is best run on a unix system. I highly doubt you will be doing anything OS specific and gcc is the preferred compiler for most universities in my experience. Regardless of platform, you won't NEED the processing power of a 2 yr old laptop, let alone any new doohickey that comes out. Benchmarks are useless to you because you'll never have to push any system you get.

If you're going to use your machine to do web design, the most intensive thing you'll need to do is prolly generate a dynamic wireframe or create a flowchart. Web design and web code is all text run on thousand dollar servers anyways so you could prolly hammer on through with a 386 if all you needed was text.

Also, with stability...some people seem to be incorrectly linking hardware stability with software stability. Modern hardware RARELY fails. Software will fail many orders of magnitude more often than hardware. Intel hardware and Mac hardware are inherently stable. Despite the "valiant" efforts of MS to prove otherwise, the x86 architecture is stable. CISC (SISC really doesn't mean anything,it's pretty much just CISC) is stable and efficient. FYI, there are servers throwing out terabytes of data running on first generation pentiums hooked up to vast scsi arrays that don't even flinch regardless of load. So long as you know your OSes and apps, you will run stable...period.

Having said all that, I stand by my previous recommendation to sit tight and figure out exactly what you need and then get that...not to try and anticipate what you might need in the future. College is a different experience for everyone. Getting the spiffy new titanium powerbook might not be a good idea if you find you have a room mate who is not shy of pawning your goods and "borrowing" things because he/she doesn't have one. getting a pc might be premature if you find that you need a lot of ppc tuned apps like illustrator or photoshop. Getting a mac might be premature if you find yourself entangled in a project to create an IE plugin module (trust me, it's not a fun job on a mac).
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: stev0
3k is a ridiclous amount of money to spend on a 12" mac... I'm not trying to say they are bad, they are actually really nice... but for the price you don't get that much.

for 3k you could get a 16" lcd, 2.8-3.0ghz p4, 1gig ram, dual 40gig hard drives, dvd/cd-rw, mp3 player, tv tuner, full keyboard with 10key and much more.

www.sagernotebooks.com

How is the battery life and weight? I spent around $1500 on a 12" iBook because it was under 5lbs and the battery lasts for around 3 hours. If the notebook you are promoting can do that, Ill consider purchasing one.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: stev0
3k is a ridiclous amount of money to spend on a 12" mac... I'm not trying to say they are bad, they are actually really nice... but for the price you don't get that much.

for 3k you could get a 16" lcd, 2.8-3.0ghz p4, 1gig ram, dual 40gig hard drives, dvd/cd-rw, mp3 player, tv tuner, full keyboard with 10key and much more.

www.sagernotebooks.com

wtf are you talking about? The 17" powerbook is $3000, not the 12".

I bought the 12" because i wanted ultra portability and i love it. I paid $1500 for it all, including airport extreme. Not a bad deal. I'm still playing with everything, but so far it has been great. I only have 256MB RAM, but it runs just perfectly. Boots up quicker than my Win2k machine with 640MB RAM. Warcraft III plays very well.

At this point, i prefer my pbook to my windows machine for everything. However, I suggest you get a cheaper mac and a PC. It allows the best of both worlds. I skipped the Superdrive because i realized that buying a standalone DVD burner for $150 AR is infinitely better than spending $400 on an internal notebook burner.
 

stev0

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: stev0
3k is a ridiclous amount of money to spend on a 12" mac... I'm not trying to say they are bad, they are actually really nice... but for the price you don't get that much.

for 3k you could get a 16" lcd, 2.8-3.0ghz p4, 1gig ram, dual 40gig hard drives, dvd/cd-rw, mp3 player, tv tuner, full keyboard with 10key and much more.

www.sagernotebooks.com

How is the battery life and weight? I spent around $1500 on a 12" iBook because it was under 5lbs and the battery lasts for around 3 hours. If the notebook you are promoting can do that, Ill consider purchasing one.

weight is ridiclous, but what can you expect from a desktop computer that is crammed into a notebook? i personally get 2-2.5 hrs of battery life... but it all depends on what exactly i am doing.

wtf are you talking about? The 17" powerbook is $3000, not the 12".

looked at the combo price, nm, well use the 15" powerbook as an example then.