Oily Jews

[MooseNSquirrel]

You need to study and research more. It's not a good idea to just take the talking points of radical environmentalists.

Links to non-industry funded studies or it never happened.

 

[a777pilot]

Links to non-industry funded studies or it never happened.

I'll do ya one better: There are no, not one, reliable and unbiased site on the entire internet. I defy you to find me even one. I keep hoping there is one but so far....nothing.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I don't think that Muslims have abortion doctors, kind of makes it hard to kill them. Plus if a male doctor sees a female her male relatives can kill her and call it an 'honor killing'

The Crusades... I think I read about them in my ancient history class. But I am sure something that ended 800 years ago can be applied to current events, right?

Salem witch trials, 300 years ago. Spanish inquisition, 200 years ago.

IRA... hey at least you found something that didn't take place in history books. I just hope you realize that the IRA is not actually a Catholic Terrorist group as you term them, but a independence movement by a bunch of people who happen to be Catholic. Their goal is not to fight a religious war against the Church of England, but to fight against the country of England to gain independence for North Ireland.

Nice, so you admit all of these things Catholics/Christians did. Proves my point, and totally shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Next, maybe we can get you to understand the concept of bigotry, and see if you can stop being one.

 

[JumBie]

If this is true, Zionism just got another little push.

But if you really look at the bigger picture those oil barrels in Israel are actually, and should actually be that of the Palestinians.

 

[Nebor]

If this is true, Zionism just got another little push.

But if you really look at the bigger picture those oil barrels in Israel are actually, and should actually be that of the Palestinians.

Jeez, the Palestinians are really getting screwed. They should mount an offensive to retake their land and country. Oh wait, they're lazy, squabbling, poor and ineffective. They'll never get anything done but bitch.

 

[JockoJohnson]

The oil industry screams fraking is safe safe safe, and I can't quite believe all the people on this forum who buy that hook line and sinker.

I would not wish fraking on my worst enemy because of all the damage it does to the water supply and the environment.

Evidently screaming eco kook is effective as screaming anti-Semitic.

Yes Fern I read the article, but I don't always blindly believe everything I read. Many places where fraking was tried, have the locals drinking nothing but bottled water. Israel is already pushing its ground water past all limits, and in an semi-arid region, water is always the delimiter.

Fracking occurs miles below the ground. Water tables are not nearly as low. Stop with the FUD. The two don't mix.

 

[ProfJohn]

Nice, so you admit all of these things Catholics/Christians did. Proves my point, and totally shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Next, maybe we can get you to understand the concept of bigotry, and see if you can stop being one.

And your point is that Christians USED to do bad things in the name of religion?

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity left the dark ages LONG ago.

Sadly many Islamic sects are still living in the dark ages and are trying to extend their beliefs to the rest of the world by force.

 

[ProfJohn]

If this is true, Zionism just got another little push.

But if you really look at the bigger picture those oil barrels in Israel are actually, and should actually be that of the Palestinians.

Israel could build all the wells and start producing oil and then turn it over to the Palestinians who would immediately use the area to launch missiles into Israel...

 

[JumBie]

Israel could build all the wells and start producing oil and then turn it over to the Palestinians who would immediately use the area to launch missiles into Israel...

What do you suppose Israel would use the money for? I very much believe it will be used to fulfil their holy prophecies, and if you have read the Bible, the Torah, and Qua'ran you might understand what I'm talking about. Seeing as how they have fulfilled everything the holy book has said would happen for and to them.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Oh, ever hear of the IRA? i think they are a Catholic terrorist group. You might have heard of them.

No.

Not at all, that would be a gross mischaracterization.

Basically, England was trying to colonize or take over Ireland and was having trouble defeating the many Irish kings. As England is wont to do, they send in the Scottish to do their dirty work. In effect England stole the land/territory from the (Catholic) Irish and moved in (Protestant) Scots to resettle and hold it for them. It has nothing to do with religion aside from the coincidental fact the invading Scots had a different religion.

When you hear of someone from Ireland who has a name beginning with "Mac" or "Mc", you're looking at a transplated Scotsman. If their name begins with "O", you're looking at original Irish.

The IRA violence took place in the disputed territory stolen by the English/Scotish.

A little reading from Wiki:

Ulster Scots are an ethnic group in Ireland, descended from Lowland Scots and English from the border of those two countries, many from the "Border Reivers" culture. These people first began to occupy Ireland in large numbers with the Plantation of Ulster, a planned process of colonization which took place under the auspices of James VI of Scotland and I of England on land confiscated from the Irish nobility, most extensively in the Province of Ulster. The term "Ulster-Scots" refers to both these colonists of the 17th century and, less commonly, to the Gallowglass who began to arrive from what is now northwest Scotland centuries earlier.

The first major influx of border English and Lowland Scots into Ulster came in the first two decades of the 17th century. Starting in 1609, Scots began arriving into state-sponsored settlements as part of the Plantation of Ulster. This scheme was intended to confiscate all the lands of the Gaelic Irish nobility in Ulster and to settle the province with Protestant English and Scottish colonists. Under this scheme, a substantial number of Scots were settled, mostly in the south and west of Ulster, on confiscated land.

Fern

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

And your point is that Christians USED to do bad things in the name of religion?

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity left the dark ages LONG ago.

Sadly many Islamic sects are still living in the dark ages and are trying to extend their beliefs to the rest of the world by force.

IRA is long ago? Do you deny they are Catholic?

Killing abortion doctors is long ago? Do you deny that that has happened in the name of (christian) religion?

Are you that ignorant? Really? How about more recent stuff?

You have heard about Catholic priests and all the kiddies they abused, right? Hmm...that's current

How about Africa? Plenty of Christians doing crazy stuff there.

Burning at the stake in the 21st century

How about Uganda's anti-homosexuality blil? Get the death penalty for gay sex!

Is that enough examples for you to prove you are full of shit yet again?

 

[Infohawk]

IRA is long ago? Do you deny they are Catholic?

Killing abortion doctors is long ago? Do you deny that that has happened in the name of (christian) religion?

Are you that ignorant? Really? How about more recent stuff?

You have heard about Catholic priests and all the kiddies they abused, right? Hmm...that's current

How about Africa? Plenty of Christians doing crazy stuff there.

Burning at the stake in the 21st century

How about Uganda's anti-homosexuality blil? Get the death penalty for gay sex!

Is that enough examples for you to prove you are full of shit yet again?

Last year the Yankees won 95 games. The Baltimore Orioles won 66 games. Most people think the Yankees are a better baseball team than the Orioles. So yeah Christians continue to do primitive things. But when you add up the numbers Islam leads the league in mayhem and murder.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Last year the Yankees won 95 games. The Baltimore Orioles won 66 games. Most people think the Yankees are a better baseball team than the Orioles. So yeah Christians continue to do primitive things. But when you add up the numbers Islam leads the league in mayhem and murder.

And the percentages of extremists in both religons are what? .0001%? Thats a superb reason to blame the other 99.999% when they have done nothing wrong. Bigotry at its best.

 

[Infohawk]

And the percentages of extremists in both religons are what? .0001%? Thats a superb reason to blame the other 99.999% when they have done nothing wrong. Bigotry at its best.

Wow non sequitur. What does that have to do with the fact that you're trying to act like Christianity and Islam are equally bad?

Who's blaming everybody in the religion? Just because someone criticizes Islam doesn't mean one thinks every single Muslim is a terrorist. If someone says the US won 30 medals in the Olympics, it's understood that not every single American won a medal, right?

 

[JumBie]

Wow non sequitur. What does that have to do with the fact that you're trying to act like Christianity and Islam are equally bad?

Who's blaming everybody in the religion? Just because someone criticizes Islam doesn't mean one thinks every single Muslim is a terrorist. If someone says the US won 30 medals in the Olympics, it's understood that not every single American won a medal, right?

What was non sequitur about his post? He brings up a valid point you clearly pointed out that it was your belief that Islam is a more violent and disruptive religion than Christianity. I choose to believe that your opinion is based off the media's view on Islam and how it propagates and paints the picture of evil and deranged followers. Reality is, there are 1.5billion Muslims, and 2.2 billion Christians world wide, and the fallacy that one has to pick individual cases in order to prove a point is just senseless. How can you ride the judgement of 1.5 billion people on a few extremist? I guess everyone should base the view of Christianity on George Bush and judge everyone accordingly, quite stupid if you ask me.

 

[Thump553]

This thread could win the award for furthest diversion from original topic. That seems to happen pretty consistently in any thread about Israel-the thread gets swamped by supporters of Israel arguing Israel is the sole bulwark against the unwashed evil mobs. Give it a rest-we've all heard that at least a thousand times before.

 

[Doboji]

This thread could win the award for furthest diversion from original topic. That seems to happen pretty consistently in any thread about Israel-the thread gets swamped by supporters of Israel arguing Israel is the sole bulwark against the unwashed evil mobs. Give it a rest-we've all heard that at least a thousand times before.

I'll never understand people who post in threads they haven't even read. Even more amazing is when the poster makes some point about how the thread has "diverted" from topic, clearly having no earthly fucking idea of where the thread actually went.

 

[Thump553]

I'll never understand people who post in threads they haven't even read. Even more amazing is when the poster makes some point about how the thread has "diverted" from topic, clearly having no earthly fucking idea of where the thread actually went.

I don't get your point. I have read this thread-even was one of the early responders (#5). I was greatly encouraged when Clite posted a hugely informative discussion and link (#23)-but I have to admit I didn't understand most of the technical stuff in the link. Even PJ was discussing in a nondoctrinaire mode. Then the thread descended into a diversion-but a related diversion- (oil shale and the dangers of fracking). That's acceptable. But then it descends into the same old tired all Muslims are dirty terrorists yah/nah BS. I have a scintilla of an idea how we got there (too many closed minds here can't discuss Israel or Arabs without the burning desire to repeat their tired platitudes) but frankly I find it intellectually dishonest and boring.

Perhaps you can explain where I'm wrong?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Wow non sequitur. What does that have to do with the fact that you're trying to act like Christianity and Islam are equally bad?

Who's blaming everybody in the religion? Just because someone criticizes Islam doesn't mean one thinks every single Muslim is a terrorist. If someone says the US won 30 medals in the Olympics, it's understood that not every single American won a medal, right?

Woosh.

First off, nPJ went off on the whole "all terrorists are muslim" comment that he (and a lot of others like to believe). Fact is, that is totally false. Plenty of Christians do evil stuff as I pointed out.

nPJ and the others are bigoted idiots for somehow blaming billions of Muslims for the actions of a very very small minority, which was my point.

nonprofjohn and the other bigots somehow gloss over the facts a small small minority of Christians do the same sorts of things. Wonder why?

And typically, once I posted plenty of proof of Christians doing evil stuff, nPJ bailed from the thread and has nothing to say. Shocking. Can't even stick around to try and rebut the facts. So typically nPJ. He'll go off and start another thread posting the same lies, not having learned a thing.

 

[YoungGun21]

And your point is that Christians USED to do bad things in the name of religion?

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity left the dark ages LONG ago.

Sadly many Islamic sects are still living in the dark ages and are trying to extend their beliefs to the rest of the world by force.

Would you say it wasn't such a big deal if you were living 300 years ago?

If Muslims are so bad now to you, just think...it won't be that big of a deal in 300 years.


Fucking grow up you moron

 

[ProfJohn]

I am going to waste my time responding to your crap...

IRA is long ago? Do you deny they are Catholic?

As two people have now pointed out IRA violence has NOTHING to do with them being Catholic.

Killing abortion doctors is long ago? Do you deny that that has happened in the name of (christian) religion?

The murder of a few abortion doctors does not compare to the war that parts of Islam have declared on non-Muslims. Not even close. There have been 8 people killed in anti-abortion violence compared to the thousands of people killed by Muslim terrorism.

You have heard about Catholic priests and all the kiddies they abused, right? Hmm...that's current

The priest abuse scandal is horrible and those responsible should be put in jail and those who let it continue should be put in jail or removed from their positions of power in the church.

How about Africa? Plenty of Christians doing crazy stuff there.

Burning at the stake in the 21st century

Don't see any mention of Christians in that story. Perhaps I missed it and you can quote it for me.

How about Uganda's anti-homosexuality blil? Get the death penalty for gay sex!

Did you miss the part where the Roman Catholic Church and many other church groups oppose the bill?

And the attempt to tie the bill to Christians, especially westerners such as Rick Warren require logic jumps that most people wouldn't make.
Go here and read this story:
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v24n4/us-christian-right-attack-on-gays-in-africa.html

Rick Warren is an evangelical Christian, Scott Lively is an evangelical Christian who hates gays, therefore Rick Warren must hate gays too. Seriously?


And here is my point that you continue to ignore and to cherry pick only the parts that you want to see or hear or that fit your view.

I know tons of wonderful Muslims, I worked with tons of them while living in Orlando, including a couple that I would have dated given the chance. Most Muslims are wonderful loving people, especially American muslims.

However, we can not ignore the fact that there is something within Islam that leads people to violence. Nor can we ignore the fact that the vast majority of terrorism and religious violence in the world today is carried out by Muslims.

 

[ProfJohn]

Woosh.

First off, nPJ went off on the whole "all terrorists are muslim" comment that he (and a lot of others like to believe). Fact is, that is totally false. Plenty of Christians do evil stuff as I pointed out.

Perhaps you should read what I actually said before you accuse me of making statements I did not.

What I said was:

All religious fanatical mass murderers are Muslim, but not all Muslims are fanatical murderers.

You have yet to offer any examples of religious fanatical mass murderers who were NOT Muslims.
I also added this later:

The point is that the VAST majority of religious terrorism in the world is carried out by fanatical Muslims. That does not mean that the typical Muslim is a terrorist, but it DOES mean that the typical terrorist is a Muslim.

Find me an example of a non-muslim religious group that carries out terrorist attacks on the scale of Hamas, Hezbollah or Al Qaeda.

 

[Doboji]

Perhaps you should read what I actually said before you accuse me of making statements I did not.

What I said was:

You have yet to offer any examples of religious fanatical mass murderers who were NOT Muslims.
I also added this later:

Find me an example of a non-muslim religious group that carries out terrorist attacks on the scale of Hamas, Hezbollah or Al Qaeda.

You're placing impossible parameters around "religious fanatical mass murderers"... Your quote should have been:

"All terrorist groups that carry out terrorist attacks on the scale of Hamas, Hezbollah or Al Qaeda call themselves Muslims."

which is very different than saying:

"All religious fanatical mass murderers are muslim"

Unless you are defining "mass murder' as "on the scale of Hamas Hezbollah or Al Qaeda" but either way you really need to do a better job clarifying what you mean... because it's too easy to interpret what you're saying to mean:

"All evil bastards are Muslim"

Which quickly prompts responses like you've received from Garfield

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Perhaps you should read what I actually said before you accuse me of making statements I did not.

What I said was:

You have yet to offer any examples of religious fanatical mass murderers who were NOT Muslims.
I also added this later:

Find me an example of a non-muslim religious group that carries out terrorist attacks on the scale of Hamas, Hezbollah or Al Qaeda.

Care to narrow the scope even further to try to make your point? Are you saying every action was done to influence religious practices?

Fact is most terrorist actions, primarily those in America, are by non-Muslims. Or do you only care if people are killed in the name of religion? Wonder how many people were killed, injured or facilities bombed and burned in the last 20 years by anti-abortion groups. Were those all Muslims too? Ws Timothy mcVeigh Muslim? Pretty sure the IRA aren't Muslims. What was Ted Kaczenski's religion again? Care to guess how many terror acts are attributed to separatist groups?

Terrorism is terrorism irrelevant of the motive.