Oily Jews

[Lemon law]

The oil industry screams fraking is safe safe safe, and I can't quite believe all the people on this forum who buy that hook line and sinker.

I would not wish fraking on my worst enemy because of all the damage it does to the water supply and the environment.

Evidently screaming eco kook is effective as screaming anti-Semitic.

Yes Fern I read the article, but I don't always blindly believe everything I read. Many places where fraking was tried, have the locals drinking nothing but bottled water. Israel is already pushing its ground water past all limits, and in an semi-arid region, water is always the delimiter.

 

[Doboji]

There's no such thing as a Muslim who doesn't bother anyone. Their only suitable end-state for the world is entirely Muslim. Total conquest is the only way they'll be satisfied.

Thats some islamaphobic bullshit. You and I both know that every religion is full of batshit crazy ideas... and we both know that only the truly lunatic fringe follow any religion to that level. i.e. how many Jews do we see holding up the death penalty for adultry? Or Christians putting homosexuals to death? But both religions call for that... To dismiss all Muslims because of a crazy few is pretty disgusting, and all it really does is discredit your opinions to anyone with a clear mind. If you really want people to take you seriously, you need to drop the generally directed Muslim hatred.

 

[ProfJohn]

Thats some islamaphobic bullshit. You and I both know that every religion is full of batshit crazy ideas... and we both know that only the truly lunatic fringe follow any religion to that level. i.e. how many Jews do we see holding up the death penalty for adultry? Or Christians putting homosexuals to death? But both religions call for that... To dismiss all Muslims because of a crazy few is pretty disgusting, and all it really does is discredit your opinions to anyone with a clear mind. If you really want people to take you seriously, you need to drop the generally directed Muslim hatred.

Evidence of Jews/Christians stoning teenage girls for being raped please, thanks.

I believe it would go like this:
All religious fanatical mass murderers are Muslim, but not all Muslims are fanatical murderers.

 

[Doboji]

Evidence of Jews/Christians stoning teenage girls for being raped please, thanks.

I believe it would go like this:
All religious fanatical mass murderers are Muslim, but not all Muslims are fanatical murderers.

I gave two other examples, you want me to look up specifically teenage girls being raped? Homosexuals being murdered isn't good enough to be considered religious extremism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

Oh and here is a religious fanatical mass murderer who is Jewish... thereby disqualifying your previous assumption.

 

[JEDIYoda]

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Originally Posted by Lemon law


Oil from deeply buried oil shale may look to be a wondrous technology but its proved to be an environmental disaster in just about every in the US that has tried it. Because it requires fracturing of the rock which allows all kinds of stuff into the groundwater.




Somebody didn't read the article.

Fern

say it isn`t so....

 

[ProfJohn]

No, I want you to find a place where it is STATE POLICY to take rape victims and stone them to death or to take homosexuals and hang them publicly.


The fact that some idiots college students tied Matthew Shepherd to a post and left him to die does mean that Christians approve of their actions. But there are multiple Muslims states where being gay might result in the death sentence.

 

[Fern]

Since I work partly in the oil and gas industry this perked my curiosity however I took the news with a grain of salt, and for good reason.

After researching this for a bit, every single news article points straight to: http://www.ceri-mines.org/documents/27symposium/presentations/av02-4minster.pdf

A few things to start with assuming the above link is accurate:
1) The deposit is over an area of 1,000km^2, not 25 square miles
2) The deposit is in tons, recoverable barrels is about half the number of tons of shale rock assuming good yield (so 125B barrels not 250B).

Why this presentation contains an error and/or we have been oblivious for years
1) The presentation is from 2007 27th symposium of ceri http://www.ceri-mines.org/27thOilShaleSymposium.htm
2) Every other geological survey of Israel places its shale rock at around ~5-10B.

It just doesn't meet Occam’s razor considering only one presentation from 2007 is the source of this news.

Some good points.

But I glanced at the pdf you linked and they say as much 250 billion barrels.

As far as Occam's razor, I see some people involved who look to be real oil industry heavy weights, backed by people who are real financial heavy weights so I'm reluctant to discount them.

Otherwise, and really more to point I think, is the potential shift in real politic. If Israel were to have the reserves of Saudi Arabia things could get very interesting. I can't see them in OPEC, and combining those (potentially) massive reserves with other non-OPEC producers might render OPEC substantially weaker/less influential.

And if this group figures out a way to produce these shale oil reserves economically with minimal enviromental impact, OPEC may become meaningless. IIRC, even we have massive deposits of this type.

Fern

 

[JEDIYoda]

I gave two other examples, you want me to look up specifically teenage girls being raped? Homosexuals being murdered isn't good enough to be considered religious extremism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

Oh and here is a religious fanatical mass murderer who is Jewish... thereby disqualifying your previous assumption.

Did you really give evidence of Jewish girls being stoned for being raped....hmmmmm

 

[JEDIYoda]

No, I want you to find a place where it is STATE POLICY to take rape victims and stone them to death or to take homosexuals and hang them publicly.


The fact that some idiots college students tied Matthew Shepherd to a post and left him to die does mean that Christians approve of their actions. But there are multiple Muslims states where being gay might result in the death sentence.

__________________

well said!!

 

[Doboji]

No, I want you to find a place where it is STATE POLICY to take rape victims and stone them to death or to take homosexuals and hang them publicly.


The fact that some idiots college students tied Matthew Shepherd to a post and left him to die does mean that Christians approve of their actions. But there are multiple Muslims states where being gay might result in the death sentence.

Well first of all why don't we start by pointing me to other theocratic states... there's only Israel, the Vatican and the Islamic states... so perhaps you should change your qualification to.

There are Islamic states that have murderous backwards policies.... which by the way is STILL a far cry from "All religious fanatics who commit mass murder"...

If you want to argue that Governments that follow Sharia law are a bad thing... then I'd probably agree with you. But thats not the same thing as lumping all religious murderers as Muslims.

 

[Doboji]

Did you really give evidence of Jewish girls being stoned for being raped....hmmmmm

You guys are missing the point here entirely... the point is religions are full of bat shit crazy rules and ideas... that doesn't mean everyone who follows said religions is guilty of following batshit crazy rules and ideas. For example just because the bible says you should die for adultery doesn't mean I'm going to kill you for adultery... even though I follow Judaism. The same is true of Muslims... I think we'd all be up in arms if someone said "Fuck the Jews"... well same thing applies to Muslims.

 

[ProfJohn]

I didn't say "all religious murderers" I said "all religious MASS murderers" and I should have added fascists to it too.

The point is that the VAST majority of religious terrorism in the world is carried out by fanatical Muslims. That does not mean that the typical Muslim is a terrorist, but it DOES mean that the typical terrorist is a Muslim.

It is the sad truth and pretending that it isn't the truth won't change things.
And what makes it worse is that the typical non-violent Muslim tends to sit on their hands and avoids saying anything about the bad Muslims.

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW I am not sure what you are personally, but your actions are a perfect example of what is taking place in the Muslim world.

You are so busy defending non-violent Muslims that you never take the time to condemn the violent ones.

 

[Doboji]

I didn't say "all religious murderers" I said "all religious MASS murderers" and I should have added fascists to it too.

The point is that the VAST majority of religious terrorism in the world is carried out by fanatical Muslims. That does not mean that the typical Muslim is a terrorist, but it DOES mean that the typical terrorist is a Muslim.

It is the sad truth and pretending that it isn't the truth won't change things.
And what makes it worse is that the typical non-violent Muslim tends to sit on their hands and avoids saying anything about the bad Muslims.

Fine... I don't disagree with this. I know plenty of Muslims who readily condemn Islamic fanaticism and terrorism. In fact I know few who don't. Either way you certainly can't assume that because someone is a Muslim, they support or at least won't condemn islamic terrorism.

Regardless... we're already a far cry from how this thread started and where Nebor took it... calling out "Muslims".. which is what I have a problem with.

 

[Doboji]

BTW I am not sure what you are personally, but your actions are a perfect example of what is taking place in the Muslim world.

You are so busy defending non-violent Muslims that you never take the time to condemn the violent ones.

And you're a perfect example of how when you Assume something you make an ass out of u and me.

I'm a Zionist Jew... and I certainly condemn violent Islam early and often.

 

[ProfJohn]

Either way you certainly can't assume that because someone is a Muslim, they support or at least won't condemn islamic terrorism.

I agree 100% I worked with LOTS and LOTS of Muslims when I lived in Florida and everyone of them was as wonderful and caring as any Christian or Jew I ever worked with.

Hell, the only person at work who gave me a Christmas present was a Muslim, go figure.



As far as Nebor... he is just blowing smoke and making noise like half the people on this forum.

 

[mchammer187]

I didn't say "all religious murderers" I said "all religious MASS murderers" and I should have added fascists to it too.

The point is that the VAST majority of religious terrorism in the world is carried out by fanatical Muslims. That does not mean that the typical Muslim is a terrorist, but it DOES mean that the typical terrorist is a Muslim.

It is the sad truth and pretending that it isn't the truth won't change things.
And what makes it worse is that the typical non-violent Muslim tends to sit on their hands and avoids saying anything about the bad Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group) (Non muslim cult)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh (7th Day Adventist which is considered Christian)

 

[Red Dawn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) (Non muslim cult)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh (7th Day Adventist)

Let's not forget Jim Jones. He made Koresh look like a Boy Scout

 

[Red Dawn]

BTW I am not sure what you are personally, but your actions are a perfect example of what is taking place in the Muslim world.

You are so busy defending non-violent Muslims that you never take the time to condemn the violent ones.

Psst, he's a Jew. Oops.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Evidence of Jews/Christians stoning teenage girls for being raped please, thanks.

I believe it would go like this:
All religious fanatical mass murderers are Muslim, but not all Muslims are fanatical murderers.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim - Charlie Sheen, Navy SEALS.

 

[a777pilot]

p.s., If the oil is there and is re-coverable, I say again....

1. Fuck Bobo, the Post Turtle.

2. Fuck the muslims.

3. Fuck OPEC.


Did I leave anyone out?


Oh, yes.......Fuck me!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The oil industry screams fraking is safe safe safe, and I can't quite believe all the people on this forum who buy that hook line and sinker.

I would not wish fraking on my worst enemy because of all the damage it does to the water supply and the environment.

Evidently screaming eco kook is effective as screaming anti-Semitic.

Yes Fern I read the article, but I don't always blindly believe everything I read. Many places where fraking was tried, have the locals drinking nothing but bottled water. Israel is already pushing its ground water past all limits, and in an semi-arid region, water is always the delimiter.

You of all people I would think would be happy about this. If the Israelis have oil, they can put all the jobless palestinians to work. Pay them money for working, and get them out of the slums they can't get out of on their own.

 

[Nebor]

Thats some islamaphobic bullshit. You and I both know that every religion is full of batshit crazy ideas... and we both know that only the truly lunatic fringe follow any religion to that level. i.e. how many Jews do we see holding up the death penalty for adultry? Or Christians putting homosexuals to death? But both religions call for that... To dismiss all Muslims because of a crazy few is pretty disgusting, and all it really does is discredit your opinions to anyone with a clear mind. If you really want people to take you seriously, you need to drop the generally directed Muslim hatred.

I think all religions should be wiped out. Islam is just the easy band wagon to jump on at the moment.

 

[a777pilot]

Ah yes let's generalize all Muslims as our Oil problem... I think not being tied by the testes to OPEC would be awesome, but that really has nothing to do with Islam in general.

Islam is an abomination.

 

[a777pilot]

I think all religions should be wiped out. Islam is just the easy band wagon to jump on at the moment.

You bet. Wipe out all religions. That worked so well in the USSR and China. Those two Godless countries killed more people than any others in the 20th century.