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Sclamoz

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Seriously? You guys think I'm blaming environmentalists for this? I'm not, I was just using a counter argument to show how fucking stupid the one I replied to was. They also CAN work at 5000ft, I never said they could I said that it's fucking hard. You guys have given no plans or actions they could take to make this better instead you bitch and moan and say they aren't doing enough. You sound like a bunch of fucking morons who know nothing. The best response I've seen from any of you retards is mandating the requirement of a sister well as back up to help prevent things like this in the future.

To Scalmoz, I realize they should of been prepared and they probably were "to the best of their foresight" would be my guess. You guys can't honestly think BP went into constructing this well not giving a fuck about it blowing, can you?

To all of you again stop talking like you have any fucking clue about anything that pertains to anything to do with this industry. These guys take safety incredibly seriously and I can vouch for that from my own personal experiences. If there was any "conspiracy" I highly doubt anyone of any real importance was involved and it was probably some contractor who dusted it under the rug(something I've seen more than I can count.)

Energy giant BP told Canadian regulators that relief wells are an "after-the-fact tactic" in controlling oil well blowouts in March, less than a month before the catastrophic spill in the Gulf of Mexico — which the company hopes to stop by drilling two relief wells.

A relief well is the oil industry's gold standard for killing a blowout. In the Gulf, BP's drillers are guiding the two wells to intersect the 7-inch well pipe of the uncontrolled well; the pipe could then be plugged with cement.

"This is the long-term definite solution to closing off this well," BP spokesman Jason French told reporters last month. "We're applying all the necessary resources, from a personnel standpoint, from the equipment standpoint."

But the first rig wasn't able to set its drill bit into the mud until 13 days after the April 20 blowout on the Deepwater Horizon; the second rig, 28 days after the accident. French said it would take an additional 90 to 120 days to reach the damaged well pipe.

That means months of gushing oil that BP never contemplated in the exploration plan that it submitted to the federal Minerals Management Service. The plan merely affirmed that BP could pay for a relief well. MMS approved the plan in April 2009.

The Canadian Policy

Yet earlier this year, BP told the Canada's National Energy Board, which regulates offshore oil drilling in the country, that it should repeal a 34-year-old policy on relief wells. The company said relief wells can be superseded by the technology and sophistication of modern drilling rigs.

The policy applies to the Beaufort Sea, stretching across the top of the Northwest Territories and the Yukon next to Alaska. The drilling season there is cut short by ice. The policy isn't even all that strict.

"An operator needs to demonstrate that there is a viable system that can be deployed to drill a well, a relief well, in the same season as the original well, should the original well go out of control," said Bharat Dixit, leader of the NEB conservation-of-resources team.

In fact, the policy is called "same-season relief well capability," making clear that a company doesn't actually have to drill the relief well unless there's a blowout; it just has to be prepared.

As recently as March, the oil industry said even that isn't necessary.

"What operators are proposing is that their methodologies, their additional training, their new tools provide for a similar degree of comfort," Dixit said.

In its submission to the energy board, dated March 22, BP said that if one of the Beaufort wells went out of control, there probably wouldn't be enough time to drill a relief well before the ice came in. It called relief wells an "after-the-fact tactic."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127381814
You still want to tell me these people care about safety first?

Show me how many other things like this have gone wrong at 5000 ft. Can you give me any? Didn't think so. The best they could do in coming up with a contingency plan is going by the mistakes of others and compensating due to depth. They have made efforts to fix this and they keep running into problems. It's kind of hard to stop a blade from getting stuck in a pipe that big even above ground.

Like I mentioned earlier wells at much shallower deeps have ruptured and it still takes months for the oil company in charge to cap. It doesn't take an engineer to figure out if you can't do it properly at ~200 feet you won't be able to do it at 5,000 feet any easier.
 
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irishScott

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gdvJ-e4aG3RcfSDQFT2Y-hBcz68AD9FUPS3G4

AP good enough?

or would you like to just rage about shit until your wife comes into the computer room and scolds you for yelling at the computer again?

I'm raging? I've made three (now four) very calm posts in this thread. Looking at yours... yeah stop projecting already.

Oh btw I'm 22 and no marriage in sight (and no desire for it at present). Don't assume personal details about people you don't know. Just makes you look like an idiot. In this case, a projective raging one.
 

feralkid

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So here is a question to all of the "progressives" here who argue that people should put the environment ahead of the all mighty dollar.

Why aren't you in the Gulf cleaning up oil?


Why are you still posting?

Seriously, have you no shame?
 

Jhhnn

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Seriously, have you no shame?

Patranus? Obviously not...

One thing's for sure- this spill lets Righties vent their hypocrisy in all its glory. They've raged and foamed at the mouth for years about the govt interfering with the oil industry and their safe as nerf toys ways of doing things, but when it all goes south, well, it's obviously all Obama's fault...

Yep, that's obviously the answer-

It's all Obama's fault!

Denial to the rescue, one more time... I'm sure that "Smaller Govt!" would have done a much better job of preventing this sort of thing, and cleaning it up, too...

The next spindizzy tactic will probably be claiming that we need to cut taxes for Oil companies so that they can "invest" more in technologies and preparedness to prevent these things, and to deal with them after the fact... on an entirely voluntary basis, of course... because regulation and enforcement are *Bad*... Mmkay?
 

dahunan

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June 5th 2010 - Two questions

How much will BP make you pay to clean our nations coastline? (raise gas prices? stall forever on court mandated cleanup costs forcing our government *you and I* to pay the bill for 10 to 15 years until they pay up)

How much of a raise will the CEO of BP get this year?
 

JSt0rm

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I'm raging? I've made three (now four) very calm posts in this thread. Looking at yours... yeah stop projecting already.

Oh btw I'm 22 and no marriage in sight (and no desire for it at present). Don't assume personal details about people you don't know. Just makes you look like an idiot. In this case, a projective raging one.

I apologize for saying you were married.
 

dahunan

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The next spindizzy tactic will probably be claiming that we need to cut taxes for Oil companies so that they can "invest" more in technologies and preparedness to prevent these things, and to deal with them after the fact... on an entirely voluntary basis, of course... because regulation and enforcement are *Bad*... Mmkay?


bush already did that to the tune of some 40 bil for renewable energy research
 

dmcowen674

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June 5th 2010 - Two questions

How much will BP make you pay to clean our nations coastline? (raise gas prices? stall forever on court mandated cleanup costs forcing our government *you and I* to pay the bill for 10 to 15 years until they pay up)

How much of a raise will the CEO of BP get this year?

Exxon never paid the bill for the 1989 Valdez spill what makes anyone think BP will pay for turning the Gulf into the Black Dead Sea?

The only one that will pay will be Americans and be happy about it.

The CEO always get huge bonuses, so who needs a raise?
 

irishScott

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Kind of like assuming the government isn't doing anything? I see your point.

My information (6 articles worth from a variety of sources) was apparently incomplete. So sue me. And I never said the "government" was doing nothing, we were talking about Obama specifically. Chill.
 

Fingolfin269

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My information (6 articles worth from a variety of sources) was apparently incomplete. So sue me. And I never said the "government" was doing nothing, we were talking about Obama specifically. Chill.

I'm not an avid Obama supporter but must ask the obvious question... what is it he is supposed to do? Swim below and cap the leak himself? Write a strongly worded warning to BP explaining to them that the United States will not stand for oil leaking onto our beaches?
 

Modelworks

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explain how they could of fixed this far faster please.

They could have started by telling people that could have helped how bad it was when it happened rather than covering it up for over a week and lying about how much was leaking. That delayed a lot of the response because organizations waited thinking BP had it all under control because they downplayed the whole thing.
 

Jhhnn

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They could have started by telling people that could have helped how bad it was when it happened rather than covering it up for over a week and lying about how much was leaking. That delayed a lot of the response because organizations waited thinking BP had it all under control because they downplayed the whole thing.

That's some of the lamest projection and attribution I've seen on this board, and there's been plenty.

Covered it up for a week? Hogwash.

Lied about how much was leaking? They'd know how? The magic wingnut ouija board? Consult Ronnie's astrologer? Send Rushbo down in a submersible? Or disseminate the info BP furnished at the time, since there wasn't any other available?

"It's all Obama's Fault! Waaahhhh! Waahhhh! Uhh-Waaahhh!"
 

JSt0rm

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That's some of the lamest projection and attribution I've seen on this board, and there's been plenty.

Covered it up for a week? Hogwash.

Lied about how much was leaking? They'd know how? The magic wingnut ouija board? Consult Ronnie's astrologer? Send Rushbo down in a submersible? Or disseminate the info BP furnished at the time, since there wasn't any other available?

"It's all Obama's Fault! Waaahhhh! Waahhhh! Uhh-Waaahhh!"

Its been reported that they covered it up saving themselves 168 million in fines. What dont you keep abreast of the current news before you say hogwash. Its not an opinion piece, it is fact.
 

dahunan

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Quote: Originally Posted by Jhhnn View Post That's some of the lamest projection and attribution I've seen on this board, and there's been plenty. Covered it up for a week? Hogwash. Lied about how much was leaking? They'd know how? The magic wingnut ouija board? Consult Ronnie's astrologer? Send Rushbo down in a submersible? Or disseminate the info BP furnished at the time, since there wasn't any other available? "It's all Obama's Fault! Waaahhhh! Waahhhh! Uhh-Waaahhh!" Its been reported that they covered it up saving themselves 168 million in fines. What dont you keep abreast of the current news before you say hogwash. Its not an opinion piece, it is fact. __________________

That was him playing NeoPalConPublican
 

Jhhnn

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Its been reported that they covered it up saving themselves 168 million in fines. What dont you keep abreast of the current news before you say hogwash. Its not an opinion piece, it is fact.

Lemme see... drilling platform blows up, killing 11 people, obviously due to gas and oil coming out of the well they drilled & thought they plugged...

You can cover that up? Really?
 

Jhhnn

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So what, even if it was true? It was obviously a big leak and a major spill from the first news of the explosion, and anybody with enough sense to pour piss out of a boot knew it at the time...

But it's all Obama's fault, obviously. Musta been some kind of sekrit muslim mind control ray they used on the guys running the operation to get 'em to screw up... yeh, that's it...
 

Darwin333

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Kind of like assuming the government isn't doing anything? I see your point.

From my perspective the government has hindered the cleanup and containment at least as much as it as helped, so far.

Its like a friggen 3 ring circus down here and no one knows who the ringleader is. What do I know though, I am only actually out on boats 3 days a week helping to cleanup the spill (on my own time) and many friends and entire towns near me are probably ruined due to a lack of quick response in containing the spill. I can give you a few PROVEN methods of fighting this that we could have employed a month ago and they still aren't happening. A month ago it was BPs fault it wasn't happening, 3 weeks ago it became the governments fault for not doing it for them and sending them the bill.
 

charrison

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From my perspective the government has hindered the cleanup and containment at least as much as it as helped, so far.

Its like a friggen 3 ring circus down here and no one knows who the ringleader is. What do I know though, I am only actually out on boats 3 days a week helping to cleanup the spill (on my own time) and many friends and entire towns near me are probably ruined due to a lack of quick response in containing the spill. I can give you a few PROVEN methods of fighting this that we could have employed a month ago and they still aren't happening. A month ago it was BPs fault it wasn't happening, 3 weeks ago it became the governments fault for not doing it for them and sending them the bill.

What are those thigns that should have been done a month ago?
 

Darwin333

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What are those thigns that should have been done a month ago?

Tankers sucking up the oil on the surface. Lots and lots of tankers with big ass "wet vacs" sucking up all the oil and then transferring it to facilities in the very same area that can get most of the water out and do whatever with the oil.

Sand berms shoulda been started weeks ago. We have our own scientists who have studied and in fact lived in these wetlands most of their lives so fuck you very much COE, again. Gotta love the COE, when days matter they take weeks (nothing new).

EPA fast tracking studies/tests on products the US Navy, Army and various other US government agencies have already used successfully. One example, some sort of microbe that eats oil. The CG, Navy, Army all have used it successfully but as of last week (and perhaps not yet, haven't followed each story because there are just to many and I am bit busy) the EPA hasn't even responded to the request for testing and approval.

A complete clusterfuck of "who is in charge" and command and control in general. Obama showed up and said all the parish presidents could call him directly and maybe that is starting to have an effect but before that you had a month of parish presidents begging the media to find them whoever was really in charge/put someone else in charge because questions where not being answered and "shit wasn't getting done".

Lets be serious, command and control of a situation this large should be something that the United States government can do much better than BP.

Fronting state and local governments money so that they can fight to protect their shores instead of waiting on BP not to do when we saw the oil off the coast (and warned BP, the Gov, the media, etc) 3 days prior. Not a single damn thing was done by either BP or the Feds to try and contain or at least mitigate the impact. The Feds pockets are insanely deeper than the states/local governments, they shoulda damn near written a blank check for all the state/locals in imminent danger so that they could act if no one else was willing or able.


I got a ton more but thats just a few off the top of my head. BTW, just to be clear, yes this is ultimately all BPs responsibility and they should be forced to pay for ALL costs incurred but just because its their "fault" doesn't mean you sit by and watch everything burn for a month and a half.
 

charrison

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Tankers sucking up the oil on the surface. Lots and lots of tankers with big ass "wet vacs" sucking up all the oil and then transferring it to facilities in the very same area that can get most of the water out and do whatever with the oil.

I dont know how effective this is given the leak is at 5000 feet below the water. How lare is the area where the oil is coming to the surface. For skimmers to be effective they would need containment booms on the surface above well.

Fronting state and local governments money so that they can fight to protect their shores instead of waiting on BP not to do when we saw the oil off the coast (and warned BP, the Gov, the media, etc) 3 days prior. Not a single damn thing was done by either BP or the Feds to try and contain or at least mitigate the impact. The Feds pockets are insanely deeper than the states/local governments, they shoulda damn near written a blank check for all the state/locals in imminent danger so that they could act if no one else was willing or able.

I am fairly sure BP is doing alot more than nothing. I am not saying they are doing enough, but do appear to working on clean up.


I got a ton more but thats just a few off the top of my head. BTW, just to be clear, yes this is ultimately all BPs responsibility and they should be forced to pay for ALL costs incurred but just because its their "fault" doesn't mean you sit by and watch everything burn for a month and a half.

I do agree they need to pay for cleanup, but I dont agree they are doing nothing about the clean up either.