Oil washes up on Florida beaches

[StageLeft]

I have to say this of the argument that this is because of environmentalists: weak. But predicable, I suppose. I can't remember what it's called in psychology when after being proven to have the wrong argument you simply dig your heels in and get more desperate and ridiculous because you cannot abandon what is incorrect.

But this is great. The environment around the gulf is now being given an oil bath because we care TOO MUCH about the environment. If we cared less, if we just let industry make money like, say, in China, then we'd also by virtue of cosmic forces end up with a cleaner environment (like they have in China?).

 

[Sclamoz]

They had those, they didn't work now what? Don't be a fucking moron and think there was no planning for an event like this, they had some it wasn't sufficient. That's in HIND SIGHT. This is the first time something like this has happened, how do you prepare for that?

This is not the first time a well has ruptured and leaked massive amounts of oil into the ocean.Which is exactly why there should of have expectations that this would happen.

Just saying well because its so deep we can't do anything is stupid because then they shouldn't have drilled there in the first place.

The best you can and occasionally that isn't good enough. This spill is disgusting and destroying tons of wildlife and coastline. The catch is if they didn't have to build this so far off shore the burst may of happened at a depth where human divers could of fixed this rather than robots.

Except wells in shallower water like 200 feet or less haven't been able to be shut off using the same methods being used on the deep water horizon well. The only reliable method appears to be drilling relief wells which they could have drilled simultaneously with this well and not had oil leaking out for 4 months. To save themselves a few bucks they choose not to do so.

 

[dmcowen674]

It's actually a good thing that all the beaches and environment get destroyed.

This way the only thing left is to drill drill drill and thus not dependent on foreign oil.

It is obvious that the Gulf holds more than enough oil to fill itself up like a giant black bath tub.

This is awesome news. Beaches and fish are overated anyway, nothing but sunburn and toxins so problem solved.

 

[dahunan]

I have to say this of the argument that this is because of environmentalists: weak. But predicable, I suppose. I can't remember what it's called in psychology when after being proven to have the wrong argument you simply dig your heels in and get more desperate and ridiculous because you cannot abandon what is incorrect.

But this is great. The environment around the gulf is now being given an oil bath because we care TOO MUCH about the environment. If we cared less, if we just let industry make money like, say, in China, then we'd also by virtue of cosmic forces end up with a cleaner environment (like they have in China?).

Its identical to blaming the woman for being raped..

 

[theeedude]

He should also be immediately requiring that every well operating in US waters start drilling a relief well, and not wait for a disaster to do so.

 

[ChunkiMunki]

the free market is the answer, they can clean it up faster and cheaper, as well as prevent oil spills in the first place, as no private oil company would risk a catastrophe as this

 

[Atheus]

the free market is the answer, they can clean it up faster and cheaper, as well as prevent oil spills in the first place, as no private oil company would risk a catastrophe as this

Are you suggesting BP is state-owned 0_o

 

[DAGTA]

I gave the guy a fair shot when he was elected. Thus far he has proven be just another failure who happens to have a D behind/in front of his name instead of an R.

I'm not calling for the government to swoop in and save the day, in fact I don't think it can and BP, or another oil company, is likely better equipped to solve the issue. However he should, at the very least as the head of our government, be bitch slapping BP on daily basis every chance he gets. He should also be firing, and possibly prosecuting, every dumbass in government who was part of the regulatory oversight process for offshore drilling and dropped the ball.

This x eleventy billion

 

[DAGTA]

The goddamn fucking leak is how fucking far down again? Point me to the manned vessels capable of going down that far. God you're a dip shit.

If you can't fix a problem that deep, why are you drilling that deep?

 

[DAGTA]

... they know how to work at 5000ft,

Obviously not.

 

[Corn]

ok I see the new talking point. Environmentalists are at fault. You know what I say to industry? Deal with it, you fucking pussies. If you can't figure out how to work at a depth then you shouldn't be working at that depth... and if you can't afford to figure it out make more money or stfu.

How about we take everything from you, give you a loin cloth and a spear. If you can't figure out how to hunt, you should just starve or shut the fuck up, moron.

 

[bfdd]

Seriously? You guys think I'm blaming environmentalists for this? I'm not, I was just using a counter argument to show how fucking stupid the one I replied to was. They also CAN work at 5000ft, I never said they could I said that it's fucking hard. You guys have given no plans or actions they could take to make this better instead you bitch and moan and say they aren't doing enough. You sound like a bunch of fucking morons who know nothing. The best response I've seen from any of you retards is mandating the requirement of a sister well as back up to help prevent things like this in the future.

To Scalmoz, I realize they should of been prepared and they probably were "to the best of their foresight" would be my guess. You guys can't honestly think BP went into constructing this well not giving a fuck about it blowing, can you?

To all of you again stop talking like you have any fucking clue about anything that pertains to anything to do with this industry. These guys take safety incredibly seriously and I can vouch for that from my own personal experiences. If there was any "conspiracy" I highly doubt anyone of any real importance was involved and it was probably some contractor who dusted it under the rug(something I've seen more than I can count.)

 

[fallout man]

How about we take everything from you, give you a loin cloth and a spear. If you can't figure out how to hunt, you should just starve or shut the fuck up, moron.

Cool story, Tarzan. How about we close down your local McDonald's and put the local gun-shop out of business. If you can't figure out how to apply for food-stamps, you should just starve or shut the fuck up, moron.

 

[DAGTA]

Seriously? You guys think I'm blaming environmentalists for this? I'm not, I was just using a counter argument to show how fucking stupid the one I replied to was. They also CAN work at 5000ft, I never said they could I said that it's fucking hard. You guys have given no plans or actions they could take to make this better instead you bitch and moan and say they aren't doing enough. You sound like a bunch of fucking morons who know nothing. The best response I've seen from any of you retards is mandating the requirement of a sister well as back up to help prevent things like this in the future.

To Scalmoz, I realize they should of been prepared and they probably were "to the best of their foresight" would be my guess. You guys can't honestly think BP went into constructing this well not giving a fuck about it blowing, can you?

To all of you again stop talking like you have any fucking clue about anything that pertains to anything to do with this industry. These guys take safety incredibly seriously and I can vouch for that from my own personal experiences. If there was any "conspiracy" I highly doubt anyone of any real importance was involved and it was probably some contractor who dusted it under the rug(something I've seen more than I can count.)

I suspect BP employs Project Managers that are PMP certified. Part of being PMP certified is that you (as a Project Manager) are expected to have contingencies in place for risk. The bigger the risk, the better your contingency planning should be.

A PMP certification is not specific to an industry. If you are a PMP certified Project Manager, you are expected to be able to be a Project Manager for any project.

I don't need to know the details about drilling for oil to see that the Project Managers at BP failed to do their jobs properly and had no business drilling at 5000 ft depths.

 

[irishScott]

Well the reason is that they wanted to study and make sure that by creating the barriers you didn't create a faster flow of water and push the oil deeper into the wetlands. If you payed attention to the news you would know this.

Link? The only news I read (several articles) said that they were only "studying" anything in that regard because regulations require them to have said research, whether it's necessary or not. In short, bureaucracy.

 

[bfdd]

I suspect BP employs Project Managers that are PMP certified. Part of being PMP certified is that you (as a Project Manager) are expected to have contingencies in place for risk. The bigger the risk, the better your contingency planning should be.

A PMP certification is not specific to an industry. If you are a PMP certified Project Manager, you are expected to be able to be a Project Manager for any project.

I don't need to know the details about drilling for oil to see that the Project Managers at BP failed to do their jobs properly and had no business drilling at 5000 ft depths.

Show me how many other things like this have gone wrong at 5000 ft. Can you give me any? Didn't think so. The best they could do in coming up with a contingency plan is going by the mistakes of others and compensating due to depth. They have made efforts to fix this and they keep running into problems. It's kind of hard to stop a blade from getting stuck in a pipe that big even above ground.

 

[Corn]

Cool story, Tarzan. How about we close down your local McDonald's and put the local gun-shop out of business. If you can't figure out how to apply for food-stamps, you should just starve or shut the fuck up, moron.

LOL, now why would closing Mickie D's and the local gun shop require me needing food stamps? Is this some idiotic dig that I allegedly work in those places? My how original...........

 

[DAGTA]

Show me how many other things like this have gone wrong at 5000 ft. Can you give me any? Didn't think so. The best they could do in coming up with a contingency plan is going by the mistakes of others and compensating due to depth. They have made efforts to fix this and they keep running into problems. It's kind of hard to stop a blade from getting stuck in a pipe that big even above ground.

I think you missed my point.

 

[dahunan]

Show me how many other things like this have gone wrong at 5000 ft. Can you give me any? Didn't think so. The best they could do in coming up with a contingency plan is going by the mistakes of others and compensating due to depth. They have made efforts to fix this and they keep running into problems. It's kind of hard to stop a blade from getting stuck in a pipe that big even above ground.

45? days later? where is a giant LOLicon when needed

 

[Darwin333]

I have to say this of the argument that this is because of environmentalists: weak. But predicable, I suppose. I can't remember what it's called in psychology when after being proven to have the wrong argument you simply dig your heels in and get more desperate and ridiculous because you cannot abandon what is incorrect.

But this is great. The environment around the gulf is now being given an oil bath because we care TOO MUCH about the environment. If we cared less, if we just let industry make money like, say, in China, then we'd also by virtue of cosmic forces end up with a cleaner environment (like they have in China?).

There are literally thousands of wells right off the coast of Louisiana. Never had a problem like this with those thousands, a few had some problems obviously but nothing near this magnitude.

 

[JSt0rm]

LOL, now why would closing Mickie D's and the local gun shop require me needing food stamps? Is this some idiotic dig that I allegedly work in those places? My how original...........

well you do live in Detroit...

 

[umbrella39]

So here is a question to all of the "progressives" here who argue that people should put the environment ahead of the all mighty dollar.

Why aren't you in the Gulf cleaning up oil?

Wow, great question. Kind of like why aren't you in Iraq? You've had years to clean things up...

 

[peonyu]

If you can't fix a problem that deep, why are you drilling that deep?

Its black gold. If they dont get it someone else will. Though our government is partly to blame for this problem since our drilling regulations are so lax as to be nearly non-existant...Most countries require a relief well to be drilled at the same time the main well is drilled...just incase a fuckup like this happens they could go to that well to resolve it the issue within days VS the "maybe the leak will be stopped in August" bs BP is telling us now.

 

[peonyu]

I gave the guy a fair shot when he was elected. Thus far he has proven be just another failure who happens to have a D behind/in front of his name instead of an R.

I'm not calling for the government to swoop in and save the day, in fact I don't think it can and BP, or another oil company, is likely better equipped to solve the issue. However he should, at the very least as the head of our government, be bitch slapping BP on daily basis every chance he gets. He should also be firing, and possibly prosecuting, every dumbass in government who was part of the regulatory oversight process for offshore drilling and dropped the ball.

Repub/Dem, it doesnt matter. Both are the wings of the same bird. They like to pretend they disagree with each other on camera, but behind closed doors im sure its a major lovefest. If that wasnt the case then having a Dem in office vs a Repub would truely make even a slight difference...Yet there is none.

 

[JSt0rm]

Link? The only news I read (several articles) said that they were only "studying" anything in that regard because regulations require them to have said research, whether it's necessary or not. In short, bureaucracy.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gdvJ-e4aG3RcfSDQFT2Y-hBcz68AD9FUPS3G4

AP good enough?

or would you like to just rage about shit until your wife comes into the computer room and scolds you for yelling at the computer again?