If you had the city of New York send out a company to chop down trees in Nebraksa to heat up all the homes, apartments, buildings etc...in New York then their wouldn't be a tree left in Nebraska in about 5-10 years. Seriously if it was that simple we wouldn't be discussing this issue about our dependency with oil.
If you had the city of New York send out a company to chop down trees in Nebraksa to heat up all the homes, apartments, buildings etc...in New York then their wouldn't be a tree left in Nebraska in about 5-10 years. Seriously if it was that simple we wouldn't be discussing this issue about our dependency with oil.
myocardia
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Solar and wind, to name two. By the way, guys, we're running out of atmosphere much quicker than we're running out of oil. Here's a link for you to peruse. It's about about everything discussed in this thread so far, along with alot of other things: National Geographic article entitled "Powering the Future"
Not to mention that burning wood for heat is one of the most polluting methods of heating ever used - far worse than coal or oil, and almost as bad, environmentally, as cement production and burning of hospital waste.
If you tried to heat New York by burning firewood, the air would become so thick with smog, soot and other pollutants, that it would be impossible to walk down the street. London used to have 'pea soup' smogs, smogs so thick, that you couldn't see you hands at arms length, and walking into obstacles was a serious hazard - nevermind the effect on chest disease.
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I hope oil reaches $150 a barrel or more. Yeah, there'd be a lot of short-term pain, but at that level (with gasoline above $6 a gallon), there'd be a huge public outcry.
Maybe then we'd actually get serious government action fostering both conservation (rewarding those who minimize their energy usage and punishing those who don't) and research into alternative energy technologies (virtually all of which become extremely attractive when oil is that costly).
Once we don't need their oil any more, we can tell all those middle-east dictatorships to go fv#k themselves.
Maybe then we'd actually get serious government action fostering both conservation (rewarding those who minimize their energy usage and punishing those who don't) and research into alternative energy technologies (virtually all of which become extremely attractive when oil is that costly).
Once we don't need their oil any more, we can tell all those middle-east dictatorships to go fv#k themselves.
Puffnstuff
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Really we as a nation need to remove ourselves from oil dependancy and move on to other sources of energy. The oil companies don't want to offer ethanol at their stations and have a myriad of excuses. From where I sit they don't want that business being redirected to the farming communities since they've done little to prepare themselves to offer ethanol based products. This is the 21st century and we should already be moving away from oil to cleaner energy solutions however there are too many oil ties within the government.
myocardia
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Nice try, Dave, Pathfinders get a mile or two per gallon less than your Caravan on the highway.:roll: That makes you part of the problem. If you were driving a Toyota Corolla, a Honda Civic, or a Mitsubishi Mirage, that had been modified to get even better gas mileage, you'd be using roughly half the amount of gasoline that you're using daily/weekly/monthly/yearly.
Oh, and I wasn't talking about turning your Corolla, Civic, or Mirage into a hybrid, either. My Mirage got 35 mpg highway/27 mpg city when I bought it. I spent a total of right around $300 buying SplitFire spark plugs (almost 1½ mpg), a performance muffler (a little over 2 mpg by itself), a K&N replacement air filter (2/3-3/4 mpg), and a Tornado air intake modifier (another 2/3-3/4 mpg increase).
Now, I did the changing of everything but the muffler myself, so I'm sure I saved ~$150 on labor. But, since you're always talking about the monetary aspect, do you realize how much money you would save, if you were getting 46 mpg in a Corolla, 43 mpg in a Civic, or even "just" 40 in a Mirage? Oh, BTW, that Mirage runs like a Cheetah with a kerosene enema now, since doing all of that added about 15-20 more horsepower to the 138 it already had. 138 not sound like much to you? The car weighs 25 or 2600 lbs. Oh, I forgot, the city mileage went up even more, because it's more efficient at accelerating, I suppose.
Also, in my last post, I forgot to include a few links. The car I'm willing to go to Europe to buy, if I have to Loremo AG that gets 157 mpg, and isn't a hybrid
the 285 mpg VW concept car, also not a hybrid
a pre-production electric car that has a 155 mile range, and will go ~80 mph
one of the very best places to buy solar and wind power equipment
TX state renewable energy site (has lots of links to other cool sites)
and for all of you Bushies, a way to make every vehicle in the world, including diesels, get roughly/nearly twice the fuel mileage: Bruce Crower's six-stroke engine
Not exactly. I worked in a "biomass" power plant in California, back in the early 90's, that burned wood for fuel (both "recycled" wood from landfills (construction waste) and trees from fruit & nut orchards that were old, and being replaced by younger trees), and we were one of the cleaner burning power plants in a state that has a real hard on for ANY color in the smoke stack gases. Of course, we had to use scrubbers & inject chemicals into the smoke to clean it up that much, but modern wood burning stoves, especially those that use newer pellet fuel, are incredibly clean. It's the old open fireplaces, that burn wood at lower temperatures, that create so much sooty smoke.
Excuse me if I'm way off base here, but I'm pretty sure that the worst smog that London saw was when everyone was heating with coal, not wood. Again, modern methods of burning coal are much cleaner than they used to be, and can put virtually ZERO pollution into the atmosphere.
While you're right about the incredible amount of fuel that would be required to heat or cool large metro areas like NYC, there are better ways than what we're now using to create that energy. Nuclear power HAS to make a comeback, at least short-term, to get us off the oil dependancy. Shoot, for larger metro areas, the person that can come up with an energy recycling system to help heat and cool, will likely have people handing over large bags of money for their idea!
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Wow, talk about being wrong: EPA site on emissions of electric power plants
Then, here's another good quote from another gov. site: http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
Wow, that's almost ZERO, huh?:roll:
edit: You're quite right about the new, air-tight wood burning stoves, especially the ones that burn the pellets.
myocardia
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Yeah, you're right, one company making $10 Billion profit per quarter is horrible: Exxon's profits from past quarter equal $10.36 Billion.
So, how much is Exxon paying you to post on forums like this? Or is it Texaco, BP, or one of the other multi-billion dollar per month companies that writes the checks?
I'm hoping to see $4-500 per barrel oil in my lifetime, along with $1-2 per Kw/h electricity. And no, I don't own any stock in any oil or electric companies. It's just that Americans are morons, and don't care about anything but their pocket books. If having a hardly insulated house, with the air conditioner cranked up (down) to 70° cost them what it should cost, you'd see sh!tloads of people wanting to change things about how they live and think. And I can assure you that at $25-30 per gallon, gasoline and diesel would stop being big sellers, also. Instead, you'd be seeing everyone stop buying automobiles, at least until Detroit and Japan started making viable electric cars, that were covered in solar panels.
Oh look another Haliburton sympathizer from Texas :roll:
It was an ex-girfriend that had the pathfinder.
It was a 6 cyclinder I kept perfectly tuned up so it got the best mileage it could.
Driving a small 4 cycliner Hyundai now that gets at least 30 mpg.
My Van only gets driven when I need to move something.
Not even a good try on your part. How much were you and Zen paid to post this crap?
myocardia
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Wow, Dave, you really aren't very good at this debate stuff, are you? You said "I drive a Pathfinder", not "my girlfriend drives a Pathfinder". And when in the hell did Haliburton care what you drive, or try to talk you into making whatever gas guzzler you drive get better gas mileage? BTW, Haliburton doesn't do anything pertaining to oil, except put out the fires, and I believe make some equipment or other. They make their money mostly by doing construction. Do a little research, man.
edit: I do commend you for finding a car that gets decent mileage, though. You could be getting 5 miles to the gallon more than you're getting in it now, though, if you did the things that I've done to my car. None of it was even hard. I just took a couple of months to get it all done, because of the cost involved, and I couldn't be happier with the results.
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you bought splitfires and a tornado fuel saver? i'm sorry but they did absolutely nothing but part you and your money.
and i believe marvdmartian was referring to modern methods of burning coal, not the grandfathered in smokestacks that pump out the emissions. look up 'clean coal' on google.
Ohh yes, anybody who doesn't agree with you, or uses logic that might be counter to yours, has to be working for the companies you hate. You say Dave sucks at debate, look in the mirror sparky.
As to mostly everything else you said in the last couple posts, I happen to agree.
Thanks El.
Apparently he thinks playing with cosmetics will overide a computer program? :roll:
Thanks LK
All he has to do is simply look up in the thread to the article that clearly shows Big Oil as well as the GOP is actually paying shills to post their puppetry in Forums.
AT is in the top 5 of the world so you know they are here.
Sorry?
Sorry for being incompetent while making billions on top of billions in record profits while running such shoddy operations?
They are not sorry, it is pure profit allowed to happen by Bush & Co.
Enjoy even more raping America.
8-6-2006BP forced to shut off Alaska Oil Production due to corrosion, U.S. loses 8% of it's supply, BP says it is sorry]
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Half the oil production on Alaska's North Slope was being shut down Sunday after BP Exploration Alaska, Inc. discovered severe corrosion and a small spill from a Prudhoe Bay oil transit line.
Once the field is shut down, in a process expected to take day, BP said oil production will be reduced by 400,000 barrels a day. That's close to 8 percent of U.S. oil production as of May 2006, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
"We regret that it is necessary to take this action and we apologize to the nation and the State of Alaska for the adverse impacts it will cause," BP America Chairman and President Bob Malone said in a statement.
Sorry for being incompetent while making billions on top of billions in record profits while running such shoddy operations?
They are not sorry, it is pure profit allowed to happen by Bush & Co.
Enjoy even more raping America.
8-6-2006BP forced to shut off Alaska Oil Production due to corrosion, U.S. loses 8% of it's supply, BP says it is sorry]
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Half the oil production on Alaska's North Slope was being shut down Sunday after BP Exploration Alaska, Inc. discovered severe corrosion and a small spill from a Prudhoe Bay oil transit line.
Once the field is shut down, in a process expected to take day, BP said oil production will be reduced by 400,000 barrels a day. That's close to 8 percent of U.S. oil production as of May 2006, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
"We regret that it is necessary to take this action and we apologize to the nation and the State of Alaska for the adverse impacts it will cause," BP America Chairman and President Bob Malone said in a statement.
How are they being incompetent? Their sensors detected something was wrong, they inspected it. They didn't like what they saw, so they're fixing it. What would you have them do in order to not be classified as "incompetent"?
I bet they are sorry for having to shut down a line. Shutting down production can't be good for business.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Well actually they discovered the probelm before anything bad happened so I would think that would put their competence in a good light.
And you need to change your summary... The US is not losing 8% of it's supply, just 8% of its domestic production. Actual supply is cut about 2 1/2%.
This should be a good lesson to everyone. Prudhoe is not going to keep pumping forever. We NEED to open ANWR to offset the decline and eventual shutdown of Prudhoe Bay. And we need to do it before it becomes an emergency.
But it's sure good for pumping up those profits. I'm sure BP's CEO is going to be sorry about all that money they're going to rake in once oil/gas prices go through the roof.
:roll:
They should have kept that sucker open. The heavier and dirtier crude coming out of a drier hole is going to result in faster pipe decay, but what the hell, open it up wide and damn the environment, that guy dmcowen says we are being greedy, so f it.
I think the loss of 400k barrells a day would offset any gains from increased prices. Downtime = bad.
Nah, it's all the blind inspectors they have working for them. Unfortunately (for us), one of them called in sick and the replacement (fully sighted) took one look at the pipe and exclaimed "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SH!+" then realized the money that would roll in once word got out (and oil prices shot through the roof).
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