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dmcowen674

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More Oil price Bullsh1t.

It is BS because in a couple of the days when the -20 below zero air that is diving down into the Midwest.

It's winter, not rocket science by the Oil Thugs.

Just a few weeks ago when a mild cold snap hit the U.S. they used the excuse of dwindling inventories and "extra" cold to drive the prices up to around $48 for a week or so.

1-3-2005 Crude Oil Prices Fall Below $42 a Barrel

VIENNA, Austria - Crude futures fell sharply Monday amid milder U.S. winter weather on the first trading day of the new year.

VIENNA, Austria - Crude futures fell sharply Monday amid milder U.S. winter weather on the first trading day of the new year.
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All of it is 110% bullsh!t and the American sheeple buy into it as if it were Gospel, Oh wait... :confused:
 

Duckzilla

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Here in upstate NY, near Watertown, a cord of seasoned hardwood sells for about $55. You guys are being ripped-off.
 

Train

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Dave your an idiot (jeeze I feel like I've said that a thousand times)

so you can find one place that has -20 degree temperatures, wow, guess what , no one lives there.

note that 80% of US heating oil is consumed in the northeast, which is having pretty warm temps for this time of year.

get a clue, really
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Condor
My fear would be that we would practice sustainable cutting sort of like we practice oil conservation. Agreed that wood is a good limited energy source and would augment other initiatives. There are some good technologies on the market these days. We could do much more as a nation and this is not partisan. I haven't seen any leader in the past few years that focused on alternative energy technologies, nor have I seen any leader who really put anything on the board that would really help with consumption.

Moving slightly off topic:

To my mind, one of our biggest wastes of energy is the state of our railroads. I don't have statistics, but I think rail is the most energy efficient way to move goods and people. No leader in my memory has put any effort into making our rail systems what they need to be. When I see anyone ranting about leaders and energy, I look for mention of rail systems and if there are none, I dismiss the topic. The group or individual simply isn't serious. It kind of goes into the "low hanging fruit" buzzword that I got so sick of in the last few years. I think we could make fast and effective gains by working to improve rail systems. One of the unique advantages of rail systems is that, using the weight carrying ability of rails, new technologies could be developed and perfected while in use. Nothing else that I know of offers that. We use over the road trucks to move massive amounts of cargo now. That has to be one of the least efficient ways to move goods great distances. I don't think that is all the fault of our society and our need for instant gratification. I think that, in part, trucks are still used because they provide employment to who knows how many truckers and that makes employment figures look better than they really are. I've observed that across several administrations. Trucks will always be an integral part of any transportation system, but could be used in much more efficient ways. One of the reasons that so much of our industry has been outsourced overseas is the advent of today?s trans-oceanic transportation systems developed in the 1970's. They are pretty efficient and could be adapted to land. They already are to some degree but not enough. Well, so much for my rant.

I have long been in advocate of rail systems (at least by my short frame of reference). With the exception of naval transport, there is no more efficient way to transport goods, people, etc. Trucking should be left to local where rail is inefficient. :thumbsup:
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Train
Dave your an idiot (jeeze I feel like I've said that a thousand times)

so you can find one place that has -20 degree temperatures, wow, guess what , no one lives there.

note that 80% of US heating oil is consumed in the northeast, which is having pretty warm temps for this time of year.

get a clue, really

HEY! I live were its -20 :( BRRRRR! :( :(
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Train
Dave your an idiot (jeeze I feel like I've said that a thousand times)

so you can find one place that has -20 degree temperatures, wow, guess what , no one lives there.

note that 80% of US heating oil is consumed in the northeast, which is having pretty warm temps for this time of year.

get a clue, really

HEY! I live were its -20 :( BRRRRR! :( :(

It's on the western side of the Great Lake States today, don't worry Ohio, Indiana etc will be in the deep freeze tomorrow.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Ethanol is an energy loser and therefore will always need to be subsidized by an energy winner (re oil).

that's what I've understood too. Haven't looked for anything to back it up, but many people have told me that, and I'm from a farming community.

People run from trying to back it up. You see, the study and/or figures they cite are old;) I'd like to see something cited from the last decade from the people who continue to claim this.

CsG

Omar? Anyone?

CsG
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Train
Dave your an idiot (jeeze I feel like I've said that a thousand times)

so you can find one place that has -20 degree temperatures, wow, guess what , no one lives there.

note that 80% of US heating oil is consumed in the northeast, which is having pretty warm temps for this time of year.

get a clue, really

HEY! I live were its -20 :( BRRRRR! :( :(

It's on the western side of the Great Lake States today, don't worry Ohio, Indiana etc will be in the deep freeze tomorrow.

Those that know me know that I have predicted major Weather events many many days before even a hint by the big Pros.

Here is the promised Mamoth storm and cold I saw forming last week:

1-5-2005 Nation's midsection will get 1-2-3 punch

Moisture-laden storms from the north, west and south are likely to converge on much of America over the next several days in what could be a once-in-a-generation onslaught, meteorologists forecast Tuesday.

The "Pineapple Express," a series of warm and storms heading east from Hawaii, drenching Southern California and the far Southwest, which already are beset with heavy rain and snow. It could cause flooding, avalanches and mudslides.

An "Arctic Express," a mass of cold air chugging south from Alaska and Canada, bringing frigid air and potentially heavy snow and ice to the usually mild-wintered Pacific Northwest.

An unnamed warm, moist storm system from the Gulf of Mexico drenching the already saturated Ohio, Tennessee and Mississippi valleys. Expect heavy river flooding and springlike tornadoes.

All three are likely to meet somewhere in the nation's midsection and cause even more problems, sparing only areas east of the Appalachian Mountains.

"You're talking a two- or three-times-a-century type of thing," said prediction center senior meteorologist James Wagner, who has been forecasting storms since 1965. "It's a pattern that has a little bit of everything."

The combo storms could damage property and cause a few deaths.

"It's a situation that looks pretty potent," said Ed O'Lenic, the Climate Prediction Center's operations chief. "A large part of North America looks like it's going to be affected."

The last time a similar situation seemed to be brewing, especially in the West, was in January 1950, O'Lenic said. That month, 21 inches of snow hit Seattle, killing 13 people in an extended freeze.
 

dmcowen674

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1-5-2005 Wintry Storm Faulted in at Least 6 Deaths

A huge storm spread a smear of ice and snow from the Rockies to the Northeast on Wednesday, snarling highway and airline traffic, causing record-low temperatures in the Midwest and snapping power lines serving tens of thousands of people.

Weather-related traffic deaths included two in Oklahoma and one each in Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota and Indiana. The weather also may have been a contributing factor in a collision that killed another five people in Oklahoma and two in Michigan.

Up to an inch of ice coated the Kansas City area, and layers a half-inch thick glazed highways in Iowa, Oklahoma and the Texas Panhandle, causing numerous traffic accidents.

Snow was scattered from the Colorado Rockies ? which got 20 inches in just 12 hours at Aspen ? across the Plains and Great Lakes all the way into parts of New England, where 6 inches was possible by Thursday morning, the weather service said. The same system had dumped up to 3 feet of snow in the mountains around Los Angeles earlier in the week.

Doby Webb, assistant manager at a farm and home supply store in Enid, Okla., said people rushed out to buy whatever they could find to keep warm: "Heaters, generators, anything that doesn't have to be plugged in."

Thick ice that coated trees and utility poles led to tens of thousands of power outages across a wide swath of the Plains and Midwest, including Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Indiana.

Westar Energy in Kansas said it could be up to a week before it can restore service to nearly 100,000 customers.
 

Crimson

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OMG!? We get snow in the winter?! Whats Dave gonna tell us next... Crazy talk.. CRAZY TALK I TELL YOU!
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Crimson
OMG!? We get snow in the winter?! Whats Dave gonna tell us next... Crazy talk.. CRAZY TALK I TELL YOU!

If you paid attention you would see that a couple weeks ago that P&N experts concurred with Oil Thugs that coming weeks would be warm resulting in very little Oil consumption.

Let's see very little Oil consumption at 10 degrees and a ton of snow. :roll:
 

dmcowen674

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Speaking of Oil

1-17-2005 Oil Prices Climb Back To $50

Oil prices climbed to a seven-week high above $49 a barrel on Tuesday as a cold front swept into the U.S. Northeast

Although global oil production problems have eased this week, concerns about low winter fuel inventories have risen as colder-than-usual conditions in the Midwest of the United States move into the Northeast, the biggest heating oil market in the world.

Natural gas has also jumped 9 percent in two weeks as colder weather in the U.S. Midwest, where gas is the dominant winter fuel

Some OPEC members have said the cartel might deepen the 1 million-bpd cuts that came into effect on Jan. 1 if it saw prices drop below $40 a barrel, but there had been little talk of restraining prices amid the $7 rally over the last two weeks.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Ethanol is an energy loser and therefore will always need to be subsidized by an energy winner (re oil).

that's what I've understood too. Haven't looked for anything to back it up, but many people have told me that, and I'm from a farming community.

People run from trying to back it up. You see, the study and/or figures they cite are old;) I'd like to see something cited from the last decade from the people who continue to claim this.

CsG

Omar? Anyone?

CsG

I think the EPA mandates that "oxygenate" be added to fuels in many markets, which is either Ethanol or MTBE. Since MTBE pollutes ground water, it is often ethanol. If it wasn't for the mandate, I wouldn't buy ethanol, so it obviously can't compete with oil in a free marketplace, or the government wouldn't have to mandate we buy it. If ethanol delivered more energy at a lower price than gasoline, people would buy it without a government mandate.
Additionally, if Ethanol was profitable without subsidies, the federal gubment wouldn't have to build you an indoor rainforrest in Iowa, since you could have built one yourself with all that profit ;)
 

AndrewR

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Demand increases so price increases, and you blame the "wealthy". It's called a free market economy, but everyone knows you'd be happier with a socialist country where everyone is guaranteed a job and has fixed prices.

Sad that the USSR died?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Demand increases so price increases, and you blame the "wealthy". It's called a free market economy, but everyone knows you'd be happier with a socialist country where everyone is guaranteed a job and has fixed prices.

Sad that the USSR died?

More like Sheeple happy about being dictated to like the above poster.

It's been proven many times over that it has nothing to do with Supply and Demand.

If you bothered to even read the latest articles you would see that the Oil Thugs were not happy with $40 a barrel. That is NOT Supply and Demand, that is Thuggery, pure and simple.

No, I am sad to see the strongest principles of the USA died and replaced by the unscrupolous Thuggery of the Middle East.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Demand increases so price increases, and you blame the "wealthy". It's called a free market economy, but everyone knows you'd be happier with a socialist country where everyone is guaranteed a job and has fixed prices.

Sad that the USSR died?

And you apply this directly to an oil market with low price-elasticity and a substantial portion of 'supply' controlled by a cartel? You're not very well versed in this, are you...
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Demand increases so price increases, and you blame the "wealthy". It's called a free market economy, but everyone knows you'd be happier with a socialist country where everyone is guaranteed a job and has fixed prices.

Sad that the USSR died?

And you apply this directly to an oil market with low price-elasticity and a substantial portion of 'supply' controlled by a cartel? You're not very well versed in this, are you...

Thank you 3Chord

 

conjur

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Oil Surges Close to 8-Week High as Cold Weather Boosts Demand
http://quote.bloomberg.com/app...eCLiQIEBbbw&refer=home
Jan. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose close to an eight-week high as freezing weather in the U.S. Northeast increased consumption of heating fuels and unrest before the Iraqi election disrupted oil shipments from the country.

Heating-oil supplies, which are 13 percent below year- earlier levels, may decline as snow moves into the Northeast this weekend. The U.S. consumes a quarter of the world's crude oil. Iraqi and U.S. officials have said they expect violence to increase before the election on Jan. 30.

``The weather factor is overwhelming everything else,'' said Jim Steel, director of commodity research at Refco Inc. in New York. ``A snowstorm doesn't necessarily mean colder weather, but it has focused the attention of the market. Also, nervousness is increasing as we approach the 30th, which supports prices.''

Crude oil for March delivery rose $1.29, or 2.7 percent, to $48.60 a barrel at the 2:30 p.m. close of floor trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The March futures contract is up 7 cents this week. Prices have fallen 13 percent since touching $55.67 a barrel on Oct. 25, the highest since the contract was introduced in 1983.

In London, the March Brent crude-oil futures contract rose $1.38, or 3.1 percent, to $45.70 a barrel on the International Petroleum Exchange.

Twenty-seven of 61 respondents, or 44 percent, said in a weekly Bloomberg survey that oil will rise next week. Twenty- three said prices will fall and 11 forecast they will be unchanged. Eleven of the last 16 surveys correctly predicted the market's direction.

`Serious Situation'

``This is a serious situation because there will be a combination of heavy snowfall and very cold temperatures in the Philadelphia-to-Boston corridor,'' said Michael Palmerino, a forecaster at Lexington, Massachusetts-based Meteorlogix. ``This will probably be as close to a blizzard as we get in the Northeast this winter. I'm expecting 6-to-12 inches throughout the region.''

Temperatures in the Northeast will be 15-to-20 degrees below normal this weekend, Palmerino said. Temperatures in the region will remain below normal until next weekend, he said. About 80 percent of the nation's home-heating oil is consumed in the Northeast.

The average low temperature in New York at this time of year is 25 degrees Fahrenheit (-4 Celsius) and in Boston it is 21 degrees (-6 Celsius), Palmerino said.

Warm Winter

Up until this cold snap, heating-degree days in the U.S. were 8 percent below the 30-year average. Heating-degree days for the balance of the winter, mid-January to March, are forecast to average 6 percent above the 30-year average, according to Earth Satellite Corp. in Rockville, Maryland.

Heating oil for February delivery rose 4.52 cents, or 3.4 percent, to $1.385 a gallon in New York. Prices are 35 percent higher than a year ago. Gasoline for February delivery increased 4.14 cents, or 3.3 percent, to $1.293 a gallon in New York. Prices are 27 percent higher than last year.

Sabotage has halted exports from Iraq's northern oil fields around Kirkuk since a bombing more than a month ago.

``More alarming than the continuing inability to keep pipelines and wells secure are growing indications of serious reservoir damage caused by neglect, misuse and underinvestment,'' Barclays Capital analysts Paul Horsnell and Kevin Norrish said yesterday in a report. ``On a technical, security and political basis, the immediate future for the Iraqi oil industry does seem to be getting grimmer.''

Iraq pumped 1.96 million barrels a day in December, according to Bloomberg data, in line with average production over the past 12 months. Iraq produced 2.4 percent of the world's oil last month. Output is 21 percent below the 2.48 million barrels a day pumped in February 2003, the month before the U.S.-led invasion.

The Persian Gulf nation has the third-biggest crude-oil reserves, according to figures from BP Plc.

OPEC

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, supplier of more than a third of the world's oil, raised estimates for annual world consumption and the demand for its own oil in a monthly report. Global demand is expected to rise 1.65 million barrels a day, or 2 percent, to 83.64 million barrels a day. Last month OPEC forecast that demand would gain 1.85 percent.

Chinese Demand

Chinese oil demand was estimated at 6.9 million barrels a day for 2005, the report from OPEC's Vienna secretariat said, a 7.2 percent increase from 2004, when it surged 15.5 percent.

``The bullish numbers from China have got the market's attention,'' said Rick Mueller, an analyst with Energy Security Analysis Inc. in Wakefield, Massachusetts. ``We all thought that Chinese demand would grow more slowly this year but recent reports paint a different picture.''

OPEC ministers will meet on Jan. 30 in Vienna after members agreed on Dec. 10 that the group would cut production by 1 million barrels a day, starting Jan. 1, to prevent a potential post-winter surplus and price crash.

``My feeling is that with prices where they are, the news out of China and other projections for demand growth, OPEC won't cut production,'' Mueller said.

World oil output exceeds demand by at least 1 million barrels a day, according to Rafael Ramirez, Venezuela's oil minister and president of the state oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA. Venezuela would support a cut in production quotas by OPEC if necessary, Ramirez told reporters in Caracas. Current oil prices are ``just,'' he said.
The price of gas here has gone up over $0.35 in the last 2 weeks.

Now averaging about $1.88
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-2-2005 Firewood Sales Up As Oil Prices Rise

Seasoned firewood is now selling for roughly $180 to $230 a cord compared to between $140 and $160 a year ago

Ray Colton of Pittsfield, Vt., said his company has sold more than 4,000 cords this season, about 1,000 more than last year: "We're selling as fast as we produce," he said.

A cord is a stack of firewood 4 feet wide, 8 feet long and 4 feet high.

Oil prices are hovering at close to $2 a gallon in Maine, up more than 30 percent from a year ago. At $2.18 a gallon, kerosene is 56 cents more than last year. And propane averages $2.06 a gallon, up 43 cents from a year ago.

Prices are also up out West, including in Colorado, where local hardwood begins at $180 per cord and imported oak costs $300.

"Firewood at $180 a cord is still a deal compared to what it costs to heat your home with oil," he said.

Wood does pollute a lot more!

:cool: Certainly goes along the RRR FLL Mandate to pollute as much as humanly possible. :thumbsup:

Yep... that supply and demand thing is nothing but a bunch of trickery by the RRR FLL WTFBBQWATERMELONS.
 

dmcowen674

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U.S. OKs Expanded Oil Drilling in Alaska

WASHINGTON - Citing a need for domestic energy, the government plans to open for exploratory drilling thousands of acres on Alaska's North Slope that have been protected for decades because of migratory birds and caribou.

While most of the 22 million-acre reserve is open to oil development, its lake-pocked northeastern corner has been fenced off, dating back to the Reagan administration, because of environmental concerns. That area also is viewed as having the highest oil and gas potential within the reserve.

The BLM, however, has concluded that more than 400,000 acres surrounding Lake Teshekpuk should be opened for exploratory drilling with restrictions.

The government estimates the area contains about 2 billion barrels of economically recoverable oil and 3.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

Most of the federal petroleum reserve was opened for oil drilling during the Clinton administration, although then-Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt fenced off 840,000 acres, including the area around Lake Teshekpuk.

"You do need to have oil and gas development in the NPRA, but not on every single acre," said Eleanor Huffins of the Wilderness Society in Alaska. She said environmentalists have little confidence that the government restrictions will be protective.

"When industry asks for exemptions they give it to them," she said in a telephone interview from Anchorage.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
U.S. OKs Expanded Oil Drilling in Alaska

WASHINGTON - Citing a need for domestic energy, the government plans to open for exploratory drilling thousands of acres on Alaska's North Slope that have been protected for decades because of migratory birds and caribou.

While most of the 22 million-acre reserve is open to oil development, its lake-pocked northeastern corner has been fenced off, dating back to the Reagan administration, because of environmental concerns. That area also is viewed as having the highest oil and gas potential within the reserve.

The BLM, however, has concluded that more than 400,000 acres surrounding Lake Teshekpuk should be opened for exploratory drilling with restrictions.

The government estimates the area contains about 2 billion barrels of economically recoverable oil and 3.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

Most of the federal petroleum reserve was opened for oil drilling during the Clinton administration, although then-Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt fenced off 840,000 acres, including the area around Lake Teshekpuk.

"You do need to have oil and gas development in the NPRA, but not on every single acre," said Eleanor Huffins of the Wilderness Society in Alaska. She said environmentalists have little confidence that the government restrictions will be protective.

"When industry asks for exemptions they give it to them," she said in a telephone interview from Anchorage.



More jobs for US citizens, less oil from foreign sources. Good deal right?