Ohio University student claims she was raped. Incident caught on camera

[Dumac]

Couldn't find any cases of women being convicted of raping a male in the US on a quick google search (a couple in other countries). Do you always talk absolute shit or are you able to provide some kind of substantiation? You said many. What's many? One anecdote?

Are you disagreeing that many men have been raped? What side are you on?

No, 'women' needs to be in that sentence for accuracy. Men are held accountable for their drunken actions. Women are not.

Labeling it a sexist comment doesn't invalidate it.

No, drunken men are not held accountable to what is done to them if they can prove that they were drunk and not in the mind to consent and the other party purposefully took advantage of them or orchestrated the situation.

In the late 19th century, Mr. Thackrah, a Utah resident and owner of $80,000 worth of mining stock, went on a three-month bender. Mr. T's fondness for alcohol was well known, and a local bank hired Mr. Haas to contract with the inebriated Thackrah. Haas did the deal, getting Thackrah to agree to accept $1,200 for his mining stock. When he sobered up (a month later), Thackrah learned that Haas had turned over the mining shares to a local bank (apparently the real culprits in the scheme). Thackrah sued Haas. The case went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled that the agreement was void because the bank and Hass knew that Thackrah had no idea what he was doing when he entered the contract. The bank had to return the shares to Thackrah, less the $1,200 he had already been paid.

Men can also be raped by women. It is true that it is harder to prove it, and that is unfair. I always argue the reality of males being raped by both females and other males. Unfortunately society isn't on the same page. Many men don't realized they were raped, and of those that do many don't report it. Just like women, the shame of being raped and the mockery you got when you go public with it is a strong reason to just keep it to yourself.

However, just because male rape isn't taken as seriously as it should be in America isn't a reason to take female rape any less seriously. That is just biting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[NFS4]

 

[justoh]

Are you disagreeing that many men have been raped? What side are you on?

I suppose i'm on the side of reason. It's unsurprising you can't provide any support for your ridiculous claims. Find one case of a man claiming he was raped by a woman due to a diminished capacity to consent. Go on...

 

[Dumac]

So if he was also drunk, then she should be charged with rape to?

If they were both drunk, it is probably impossible to know who initiated what and neither should be charged with rape.

Like I said, that video isn't enough to rule on anything.

 

[Dumac]

I suppose i'm on the side of reason. It's unsurprising you can't provide any support for your ridiculous claims. Find one case of a man claiming he was raped by a woman due to a diminished capacity to consent. Go on...

Just because a man is raped doesn't mean he realizes he was raped. Just because a man realizes he is raped doesn't mean he would report it.

1 of every 10 reported rape cases has a male victim. I don't know how many of those men were intoxicated, but I would guess the number would be non-zero. I'm near positive that there are many more unreported cases of male rape.

Think about it. If you were convinced to have sex with drunk, would you report it? Men are taught to brag about their sexual escapades - many might not care if they were drunk as long as they had sex.

It is a view that needs to be changed, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Puppies04]

Between 1 and 6 AM... are those times inclusive? That man is a legend.

 

[Phoenix86]

Hardly. I'd say the opposite it true. Look at this thread. Most people are denouncing the woman as a liar, whore, and all kinds of other things without even knowing the whole story.

Like I said from the start, a video isn't enough to know what the hell happened. I am not saying someone was or wasn't raped, but a lot of the people in this thread automatically sided with the male when they don't even know the facts. I think that says a lot.

First, no one ever knows the WHOLE story behind anything. Any court case, ever. The whole story is never understood. You make decisions based on what you know. Could we know more here? Sure.

Second, Is the video enough? Probably.

Third, Accusing people of making a decision (and who are we kidding we're not on the jury who will know more) based on a VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT as not knowing enough is pretty pathetic.

Finally, you're defending the woman as much as others are defending the man and you don't know enough, by your own standards.

 

[DAGTA]

Men can also be raped by women. It is true that it is harder to prove it, and that is unfair. I always argue the reality of males being raped by both females and other males. Unfortunately society isn't on the same page. Many men don't realized they were raped, and of those that do many don't report it. Just like women, the shame of being raped and the mockery you got when you go public with it is a strong reason to just keep it to yourself.

However, just because male rape isn't taken as seriously as it should be in America isn't a reason to take female rape any less seriously. That is just biting off your nose to spite your face.

I agree with you. My anger stems from the inequality that exists today.

Can you find a recent case where a woman has been found guilty of raping a man?

 

[DAGTA]

If they were both drunk, it is probably impossible to know who initiated what and neither should be charged with rape.

Like I said, that video isn't enough to rule on anything.

According to the feminist movement, if both were drunk, then the man is guilty of rape.

 

[Dumac]

First, no one ever knows the WHOLE story behind anything. Any court case, ever. The whole story is never understood. You make decisions based on what you know. Could we know more here? Sure.

Second, Is the video enough? Probably.

Third, Accusing people of making a decision (and who are we kidding we're not on the jury who will know more) based on a VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT as not knowing enough is pretty pathetic.

Finally, you're defending the woman as much as others are defending the man and you don't know enough, by your own standards.

Did I ever say this case was rape? No. I'm saying that it could be and you don't have enough knowledge to say otherwise. I'm am not calling the man a rapist, and I am not calling the women a rape victim. So how am I defending the woman as much as others who are saying she is lying, slutty, or that she raped him?

Of course nobody knows the WHOLE story, but you really think all the evidence presented would be a single video? You think that a single out of context video is enough to make a life-changing ruling?

You have no clue what happened before this video or after. You don't know the state of the women or man before, during, or after the video. You don't know enough to make a claim as to what happened here, and any attempt to do so is just you letting your own personal bias show.

I'm glad you aren't a judge and never will be.

 

[justoh]

Just because a man is raped doesn't mean he realizes he was raped. Just because a man realizes he is raped doesn't mean he would report it.

1 of every 10 reported rape cases has a male victim. I don't know how many of those men were intoxicated, but I would guess the number would be non-zero. I'm near positive that there are many more unreported cases of male rape.

Think about it. If you were convinced to have sex with drunk, would you report it? Men are taught to brag about their sexual escapades - many might not care if they were drunk as long as they had sex.

It is a view that needs to be changed, but it hasn't happened yet.

Stop talking shit. People need to take responsibility for their decisions. The only exception is:

For the purpose of preventing resistance, the offender substantially impairs the other person's judgment or control by administering any drug, intoxicant, or controlled substance to the other person surreptitiously or by force, threat of force, or deception

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

If she voluntarily imbibes then that's her choice. And earlier you said that "more often than not" the guy remains sober and administers alcohol or drugs to women in order to lay them. Why would a guy need to remain sober in order to take advantage of a woman? Why would a guy remain sober when everyone else is drinking? Why would a woman drink when he isn't, in that sort of social setting?

You may think you're standing up for women but you're treating them like children. You speculate that "many men" have been raped by women in the diminished capacity context, cannot provide any evidence, and then appeal to social norms and ignorance preventing such reporting when it's pretty much inconceivable that a man would consider himself raped in this situation were the roles reversed.

 

[Dumac]

According to the feminist movement, if both were drunk, then the man is guilty of rape.

'The feminist movement' isn't one big entity that you can strawman and focus your sexist, biased hate on. Feminism is a complex philosophy that has many varying points of views and undercurrents of thought.

The same goes for the male right's movement.

"According to the male rights movement, rape is a non-issue and women are usually asking for it."

Some people say the above, and it is equally as incorrect as what you are claiming.

 

[DAGTA]

'The feminist movement' isn't one big entity that you can strawman and focus your sexist, biased hate on. Feminism is a complex philosophy that has many varying points of views and undercurrents of thought.

The same goes for the male right's movement.

"According to the male rights movement, rape is a non-issue and women are usually asking for it."

Some people say the above, and it is equally as incorrect as what you are claiming.

Except that you can find women that call themselves feminists stating exactly what I said about rape. I've seen the videos. If I can find it again, I'll post it.

Can you find a male that believes in the male rights movement saying rape is a non-issue and women are usually asking for it?

 

[Jaskalas]

1: Are they strangers?
2: Assuming yes, should she be required to say "yes" before it's not automatic rape?
3: Was she too impaired to say yes?

I might want to lean on the side of the woman here and suggest you don't go touching a stranger who is impaired. I think it's reasonable to suggest that this isn't a friend she got drunk with. So consent was not implied prior to being impaired.

 

[DAGTA]

Didn't find videos but I found some quotes from feminists:

“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French

“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller


a video of a feminist speaking out against other feminists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQWoNhrY_fM#t=79

 

[BladeVenom]

"According to the male rights movement, rape is a non-issue and women are usually asking for it."

Link? I don't believe you.

 

[justoh]

If you regret sleeping with a dude and don't realize you were "raped" until some feminist tells you so, then it's probably not worth ruining someone's life over it. I'm just speaking generally regarding this diminished consent nonsense, ie. a woman categorically cannot consent while intoxicated, never mind whether both parties were drinking. That's like the whole point of going out on a friday night.

 

[Puppies04]

'The feminist movement' isn't one big entity that you can strawman and focus your sexist, biased hate on. Feminism is a complex philosophy that has many varying points of insanity depending on the time of the month.

FTFY

 

[sixone]

I agree with you. My anger stems from the inequality that exists today.

Can you find a recent case where a woman has been found guilty of raping a man?

You have a legitimate concern. But that concern doesn't in any way change the fact that we're missing an awful lot of information about the events that occurred before and after the video recording.

Blaming this woman, based on the information available TODAY, for the wrongs done by others is unfair.

Once all the facts are publicly available, have your say. But base it on ALL the facts, not on one part of the story.

 

[blurredvision]

If her rape accusation if based solely on the video, then this should be thrown out and her forced to pay court costs. IMO, if she decides to get drunk, she's responsible for the decisions while being so. Letting a guy eat her out on the street while clearly enjoying it, that's her decision. It's completely different than some guy forcing himself on her and her saying no or pushing away.l

I'm not sure how her deciding to get drunk somehow lets her off the hook for anything and everything she does.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The only way this could conceivably constitute rape is if he drugged her, and nothing about the video suggests that. It's possible he or someone else might have raped her after what we see in the video, of course, but what we see looks totally consensual. I do feel for her in that she got herself sufficiently out of it to the point that anything could have happened.

 

[Phoenix86]

Did I ever say this case was rape? No. I'm saying that it could be and you don't have enough knowledge to say otherwise. I'm am not calling the man a rapist, and I am not calling the women a rape victim. So how am I defending the woman as much as others who are saying she is lying, slutty, or that she raped him?

Of course nobody knows the WHOLE story, but you really think all the evidence presented would be a single video? You think that a single out of context video is enough to make a life-changing ruling?

You have no clue what happened before this video or after. You don't know the state of the women or man before, during, or after the video. You don't know enough to make a claim as to what happened here, and any attempt to do so is just you letting your own personal bias show.

I'm glad you aren't a judge and never will be.

Did I say you called it rape? Did I say you said he was a rapist? Did I say you said the moon was made of cheese? WTF is your point?

Most people are saying based on the video this isn't rape, not that it can't be. Thus, you're defending the woman just as much as others are defending the man is still true.

I did say the video doesn't show everything. Still don't know WTF your point is.

Video evidence is very powerful, you're the one dismissing what we know about the case.

 

[waggy]

I'm not sure how her deciding to get drunk somehow lets her off the hook for anything and everything she does.

Yeah. it fucking blows my mind that if you go out and get trashed then fuck a guy its rape.

Though if you go out and get trashed and drive and kill someone you are held responsible. weird. I wonder why..

 

[Paladin3]

What it comes down to is that no jury in the world is gonna convict this guy once they see that video.

 

[lozina]

Found the uncensored pic of her and the guy. Both are looking right at the person taking the photo smiling, happy and look surprisingly lucid

Read an opinion that once the video and photos went viral across campus, the university was going to expel this student prior to her filing rape allegations. No idea about the validity of this info but it sounds plausible... the incident happened on Sunday and the report came in on Wednesday? Lot of time between