Ohio State University - Car and Knife Attack

[agent00f]

No great surprise the GOP brain trust here have some real trouble figuring what the opposite of soft means.

 

[Kazukian]

No great surprise the GOP brain trust here have some real trouble figuring what the opposite of soft means.

So you're soft?

I'm guessing you're in middle school.

 

[agent00f]

So you're soft?

You looking for a gold star?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The left doesn't care about facts no more. No gun used to terrorize people? Pfff, There was a 'gun' used. And then they claim they aren't anti-gun nutters.

no more
no more
no more
no more
hit the road mike and doncha come back no more

 

[DrunkenSano]

It appears that this attack was Islamic motivated:

https://gma.yahoo.com/osu-attack-su...li-artan-215141263--abc-news-topstories.html#

Authorities are investigating an anti-U.S. rant posted on Facebook just minutes before the Ohio State University attack today that is believed to be linked to suspect Abdul Razak Ali Artan, sources told ABC News.

Appearing three minutes before the beginning of the rampage that left 11 people injured, the post reads: “I can’t take it anymore. America! Stop interfering with other countries, especially the Muslim Ummah. We are not weak. We are not weak, remember that.”

The post also invokes the name Anwar Al-Awlaki, a radical American-born al-Qaeda cleric, describing him as a “hero." Al-Awlaki was killed in 2011 but his propaganda has been linked to several domestic terrorist attacks in the years after his death.

“If you want us Muslims to stop carrying lone wolf attacks, then make peace,” the post reads. “We will not let you sleep unless you give peace to the Muslims.”

The post, which was on a page that appears to have since been disabled, takes the form of a photo of a computer screen displaying a text document.

Authorities identified Artan as the attacker in a press conference this afternoon, but said they have not determined a motive and the investigation is ongoing. Sources told ABC News that he is a of Somali descent and is a legal permanent resident in the United States.

Officials said that this morning’s attack began when the assailant drove a vehicle into several people before exiting and slashing victims with a knife..

The attack comes as the ISIS terror group has been urging its followers in recent weeks to copy the vehicle attack that took place in Nice, France, when 84 people were killed by a terrorist driving a semi-truck through a Bastille Day celebration. And it comes two days after the terror group published a video instructing its followers on how to use a knife to attack non-believers. ISIS is not mentioned in the Facebook post.

“So many people, who are flipped by ISIS propaganda remotely, look like they are leading successful lives,” said Richard Clarke, an ABC News contributor and former U.S. National Coordinator for Security and Counter-terrorism. “It's so hard to predict when the propaganda will get through to them to the point where they crack and go violent.”

 

[FerrelGeek]

Very true. In all seriousness, some of the comments coming from the students after the fact were good. Many on the media tried to push the angle on how traumatized the students were, but student comments that made it to local (and social) media (I live in the Columbus area) were pretty calm and matter of fact. My wife read some quotes form kids about feeling good that they had some 'military students' (I'm guessing ROTC) with them and that they made them feel more secure. I'm glad the young officer was already on the scene due to the fire drill. Not at all surprised that the usual suspects got on their anti-gun raving in spite of the facts.

I give OSU kudos for having a plan in place for events like this.

I read the guidelines they're pretty basic and stuff most people know. Basically abandon your gear when you run, help people out if it doesn't put you in jeopardy, locked doors are best, silence you phone when hiding, look for sturdy objects if there is no escape route, team up with others if possible.
All pretty basic stuff. Similar to those occasional fire drill/meetings at work, they are just to confirm understanding.

 

[agent00f]

Very true. In all seriousness, some of the comments coming from the students after the fact were good. Many on the media tried to push the angle on how traumatized the students were, but student comments that made it to local (and social) media (I live in the Columbus area) were pretty calm and matter of fact. My wife read some quotes form kids about feeling good that they had some 'military students' (I'm guessing ROTC) with them and that they made them feel more secure. I'm glad the young officer was already on the scene due to the fire drill. Not at all surprised that the usual suspects got on their anti-gun raving in spite of the facts.

I give OSU kudos for having a plan in place for events like this.

Good thing those military ones didn't mistake any brown students for terrorists.

 

[Commodus]

Very true. In all seriousness, some of the comments coming from the students after the fact were good. Many on the media tried to push the angle on how traumatized the students were, but student comments that made it to local (and social) media (I live in the Columbus area) were pretty calm and matter of fact. My wife read some quotes form kids about feeling good that they had some 'military students' (I'm guessing ROTC) with them and that they made them feel more secure. I'm glad the young officer was already on the scene due to the fire drill. Not at all surprised that the usual suspects got on their anti-gun raving in spite of the facts.

I give OSU kudos for having a plan in place for events like this.

The funny thing is, there's still an argument in favor of tougher restrictions on gun access here (note: I do not believe in revoking gun rights, I'm talking things like more thorough background checks and waiting periods).

All he had was a knife. The result? The only fatality, at least as I write this, is the perpetrator. Everyone else should live to see another day. If the attacker had a gun, the odds are high that some of the victims would be dead or facing more serious injuries. Curbing gun ownership by radicalized or mentally disturbed people won't stop incidents like this, but it would limit the potential damage.

 

[agent00f]

The funny thing is, there's still an argument in favor of tougher restrictions on gun access here (note: I do not believe in revoking gun rights, I'm talking things like more thorough background checks and waiting periods).

All he had was a knife. The result? The only fatality, at least as I write this, is the perpetrator. Everyone else should live to see another day. If the attacker had a gun, the odds are high that some of the victims would be dead or facing more serious injuries. Curbing gun ownership by radicalized or mentally disturbed people won't stop incidents like this, but it would limit the potential damage.

Another good thing he didn't kill anyone either or else Trump's going to have to level his country after torturing its inhabitants. Then we'd have to suffer through the usual suspects here rationalizing that response.

 

[Kazukian]

The funny thing is, there's still an argument in favor of tougher restrictions on gun access here (note: I do not believe in revoking gun rights, I'm talking things like more thorough background checks and waiting periods).

All he had was a knife. The result? The only fatality, at least as I write this, is the perpetrator. Everyone else should live to see another day. If the attacker had a gun, the odds are high that some of the victims would be dead or facing more serious injuries. Curbing gun ownership by radicalized or mentally disturbed people won't stop incidents like this, but it would limit the potential damage.

How do you quantify radicalized in the purchasing process?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

How do you quantify radicalized in the purchasing process?

I don't see how they could curb access to guns by those radicalized without profiling.

 

[Commodus]

How do you quantify radicalized in the purchasing process?

It's tricky, of course, and I'm not saying it'd be easy. Searches for publicly available positions online, perhaps? Say, if you've threatened or promoted violence against Americans or specific races/ethnic groups/religions.

 

[Double Trouble]

The funny thing is, there's still an argument in favor of tougher restrictions on gun access here (note: I do not believe in revoking gun rights, I'm talking things like more thorough background checks and waiting periods).

All he had was a knife. The result? The only fatality, at least as I write this, is the perpetrator. Everyone else should live to see another day. If the attacker had a gun, the odds are high that some of the victims would be dead or facing more serious injuries. Curbing gun ownership by radicalized or mentally disturbed people won't stop incidents like this, but it would limit the potential damage.

Short of a complete ban on firearms for the entire population, how do you prevent an adult with no criminal record, no (known) mental health issues who hasn't specifically threatened to commit violence from owning a firearm? Lets say this guy used a gun instead of a butcher knife. What restrictions exactly would have prevented it?

Tim Kaine making an ass of himself once again, so glad he's not going to be in the white house.

 

[Commodus]

Short of a complete ban on firearms for the entire population, how do you prevent an adult with no criminal record, no (known) mental health issues who hasn't specifically threatened to commit violence from owning a firearm? Lets say this guy used a gun instead of a butcher knife. What restrictions exactly would have prevented it?

Tim Kaine making an ass of himself once again, so glad he's not going to be in the white house.

I'm not saying that tougher screening would completely stop those instances, or even that it'd stop this particular assailant. But if you can do a better job of catching the people who clearly shouldn't have a gun, wouldn't you want to do it?

And on Kaine... I don't know how you'd think Pence, the guy who believes in the myth of gay conversion therapy and hates women with a bitter passion, would be a better choice.

 

[Jaskalas]

Good thing those military ones didn't mistake any brown students for terrorists.

Is there a moment in your life that is not defined by hate?

First drew my attention when I stepped in something I didn't understand months back, but ever since... it's pretty clear this race baiting is the vast sum of your posting experience here. It's not kind or helpful or positive for you to continue in this manner. A person's skin tone is truly an immaterial mask to hide real issues of nationalism, culture, and economic strife. It's a fake and superficial conflict to deride real issues as white, black, or brown. The majority of people moved past racism, but more still need help dealing with real issues and they don't need hateful race baiting rhetoric to stir up the worse of their tribal instinct.

The quote you replied to is a positive story of people who typically distrust the military, but finding it within themselves to take comfort and care of one another during a time of need. For the true human spirit shines best when we put aside our differences and work together for a common cause. It's unfortunate that it often takes a crisis to remind us of our better nature, but to take this story and demean and tear it down the way you posted... is a sign that you are sick. Driven by the same base tribalism that gives rise to racism, hate, and deplorable acts of violence the world over. It's contagious, and this forum would do well to honor and reflect on the positive story the kids shared of helping one another as opposed to the narrative you wish to share.

 

[Double Trouble]

I'm not saying that tougher screening would completely stop those instances, or even that it'd stop this particular assailant. But if you can do a better job of catching the people who clearly shouldn't have a gun, wouldn't you want to do it?

This kind of logic comes up every time there's some big shooting or incident. People call for more restrictions to prevent such an occurrence, but whatever restrictions people propose would have likely not had any impact on the incident. If it won't stop this specific instance, then why mention the restrictions in a thread on this instance? What is the relevance of restrictions on this thread if the restrictions would have had no impact on what happened?

If we could do a better job preventing bad people from owning guns, that's great, but I don't see any way you can do that without also barring normal law abiding citizens from exercising their right to bear arms.

And on Kaine... I don't know how you'd think Pence, the guy who believes in the myth of gay conversion therapy and hates women with a bitter passion, would be a better choice.

I'm happy Kaine won't be in the White House, I said nothing about Pence. Tweets like this one about the OSU incident reinforce my dislike for him.

 

[Kazukian]

Good thing those military ones didn't mistake any brown students for terrorists.

Again race baiting, interesting.....

 

[Commodus]

This kind of logic comes up every time there's some big shooting or incident. People call for more restrictions to prevent such an occurrence, but whatever restrictions people propose would have likely not had any impact on the incident. If it won't stop this specific instance, then why mention the restrictions in a thread on this instance? What is the relevance of restrictions on this thread if the restrictions would have had no impact on what happened?

If we could do a better job preventing bad people from owning guns, that's great, but I don't see any way you can do that without also barring normal law abiding citizens from exercising their right to bear arms.

The point is that the US doesn't even try, really. The NRA bribes Republicans into making sure they don't do anything (besides "thoughts and prayers," of course), but there's also that "they're comin' to take our guns!" panic that pops up whenever someone suggests any tighter gun regulation, even if the proposed ideas are cautious and clearly reasonable. The political discussion in the US is seemingly designed to silence the moderate views on gun rights.

 

[Kazukian]

The point is that the US doesn't even try, really. The NRA bribes Republicans into making sure they don't do anything (besides "thoughts and prayers," of course), but there's also that "they're comin' to take our guns!" panic that pops up whenever someone suggests any tighter gun regulation, even if the proposed ideas are cautious and clearly reasonable. The political discussion in the US is seemingly designed to silence the moderate views on gun rights.

'The moderate view" means more unenforceable/unenforced laws.

The proposed "no fly gun purchase prohibition" is a due process nightmare.

What "moderate" changes do you want?

 

[Commodus]

'The moderate view" means more unenforceable/unenforced laws.

The proposed "no fly gun purchase prohibition" is a due process nightmare.

What "moderate" changes do you want?

You just proved my point, I'm afraid. We're convinced the middle ground isn't possible, so we don't try.

 

[stormkroe]

You just proved my point, I'm afraid. We're convinced the middle ground isn't possible, so we don't try.

In all fairness, when left leaders like Clinton saying forced confiscation is 'worth considering', the NRA doesn't have to do a thing.
Thumbs up on your social media search idea. Who knows, it might help the internet tough guy generation actually think before speaking.

 

[michal1980]

no more
no more
no more
no more
hit the road mike and doncha come back no more

so when your VP candidate tweeted about there being a gun before knowing the facts, what exactly was he up to? hmm, open your eyes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

so when your VP candidate tweeted about there being a gun before knowing the facts, what exactly was he up to? hmm, open your eyes.

he fucked up?? dunno, not responsible for his twitter account. was that before or after they clarified the weapon? initial reports were of a gun, no?

 

[Kwatt]

he fucked up?? dunno, not responsible for his twitter account. was that before or after they clarified the weapon? initial reports were of a gun, no?

Really?

he fucked up??

Has he posted and clarified his mistake? Or will he ignore it and talk about the last time or the next time?

not responsible for his twitter account

Was his account Hi-jacked?If he posted himself or gave another permission he is responsible!

was that before or after they clarified the weapon? initial reports were of a gun, no?

So without bothering to find out what happened he wants to push an agenda that has no bearing on what happened?

Knee jerk,feel good policy anyone?


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[Zaap]

Again race baiting, interesting.....

And again, not called on it. Others have been banned for less.

Accepted around here as long as its from the 'correct' side.