Ohio doing an end around SCOTUS decision on early voting.

[HomerJS]

Ohio Secretary of state not giving up on his voter supression campain. I think this guy needs to do some jail time for contempt of court.

When are Republicans going to give up trying to block the votes for "some"?

Husted limited early voting hours on the three days leading up to the Nov. 6 election to 8am-2pm on Saturday (Nov. 3), 1pm-5pm on Sunday (Nov. 4), and 8am-2pm on Monday (Nov. 5). During that three day period, Ohioans will have only 16 hours total to cast a ballot. Prior to this weekend, Ohioans will still not be able to cast a ballot in person on nights or weekends

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19126

 

[xBiffx]

Limiting times on early voting != voter suppression. I know I am preaching to the choir seeing is how you like to troll along.

No one has an excuse not to be able to vote on election day itself. Let me know when they start limiting hours on election day itself.

 

[Farang]

In all the slimy political tactics I've seen in my life, I've always been able to write it off as part of 'the game' of politics. This is more, though. It's suppressing the vote over the spirit of the ruling of the courts, and it's intentional.

People need to take the long view and see it's this bending of the rules (rather, the lack thereof) for the sake of partisan advantage that separates us from other "democracies" around the world. This isn't warlord v warlord in some temporary republic in Africa. This is the USA--we should respect, encourage, and enable every vote.

I'm really disgusted at my country for allowing the right to vote to be a partisan issue. Yes, I know voter fraud is the cover, but we all know what the real issue is.

 

[sportage]

First it was all about I'd's and fraud.
Now it's time of operation.
This is blaintly voter suppression.
But we all knew that was the intentions all along from the get go.
Only difference is that now they have been exposed for what they are and what this is.
Sour grapes.
Just gives me that much more pleasure to watch their side lose.
And lose badly.

 

[trenchfoot]

As the Repubs progressively isolate themselves by moving further and further right, their numbers will continue to shrink. Thus, they will have to resort to increasingly worse chicanery to "level the playing field" to their advantage.

Previously, their tactics were more devious and insidious in nature. Now though, as the shenanigans by Husted show, they are being blatant, arrogant and in-your-face straightforward about their intent to limit the numbers of Dems being able to vote in every barely legal way they can think of. The more desperate they get, the more brazen and despicable their efforts to disinfranchise Dem leaning voters will be.

For the Repubs, it's only a matter of time, unless they ditch the far right agenda they're now pursuing and get back to a more moderate, more realistic way of politicking. I mean, they've already managed to force the Dems further right just to get anything passed legislation-wise, so they won't need to return to a stage in their evolution they previously were at to reach a point of compromise and agreement with the Dems.

 

[Double Trouble]

What a terrible piece of reporting, but that's not surprising coming from that worthless rag called the plain dealer.

Last I checked, there no obligation to have the polls open early for a certain number of hours, or even to have them open early at all. The rules should be the same for everyone though, I completely disagree with trying to restrict hours in some places but not others to try and gain partisan advantage. Everyone should be playing by the same rules.

 

[Matt1970]

So let me get this straight. In addition to the normal 16 hours or so on the election day that everyone else has to adhere to Ohio has an extra 16 hours spread out over 3 days? I am really not seeing the supression here. I don't see how this schedule benefits Republicans over Democrats.

 

[HomerJS]

Limiting times on early voting != voter suppression. I know I am preaching to the choir seeing is how you like to troll along.

No one has an excuse not to be able to vote on election day itself. Let me know when they start limiting hours on election day itself.

Since he had no problem with the old hours during the Republican primary just months ago, yes.

How are people who work supposed to take advantage of early voting with hours 8s-2p?. Esp those who take public transportation.

 

[nehalem256]

Since he had no problem with the old hours during the Republican primary just months ago, yes.

How are people who work supposed to take advantage of early voting with hours 8s-2p?. Esp those who take public transportation.

They could vote on Saturday.

Or Sunday.

 

[EagleKeeper]

:whiste:

Since he had no problem with the old hours during the Republican primary just months ago, yes.

How are people who work supposed to take advantage of early voting with hours 8s-2p?. Esp those who take public transportation.

How many are working on Sat/Sun or Monday that are also working on Tues.

Employers are required to allow time off for voting.

which reminds me, I need to fill otu and send in my ABSENTEE ballot. :whiste:

 

[PokerGuy]

So how many hours is enough? 20? 40? 60? How about 24x7 voting hours? Oh yeah, those already exist, you can cast an absentee ballot at your convenience. Just more sniveling and whining about supposed suppression that's just a figment of your imagination. Anything short of having someone go to each voter's house at the time convenient to the voter and filling out the vote with straight 'D' down the line, the whiners are just going to claim suppression anyway.

 

[Throckmorton]

In all the slimy political tactics I've seen in my life, I've always been able to write it off as part of 'the game' of politics. This is more, though. It's suppressing the vote over the spirit of the ruling of the courts, and it's intentional.

People need to take the long view and see it's this bending of the rules (rather, the lack thereof) for the sake of partisan advantage that separates us from other "democracies" around the world. This isn't warlord v warlord in some temporary republic in Africa. This is the USA--we should respect, encourage, and enable every vote.

I'm really disgusted at my country for allowing the right to vote to be a partisan issue. Yes, I know voter fraud is the cover, but we all know what the real issue is.

Then why have early voting?

It doesn't take a genius to see why they'd allow early voting but not in the evenings.... to disenfranchise working class people in favor of people higher up the ladder with flexible schedules and the elderly.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/16/us-usa-campaign-ohio-voting-idUSBRE89F14F20121016

"In states that allow voters to cast ballots before election day, early voting and extended voting hours are thought to benefit Democratic candidates because lower-income people, who tend to vote for them, are more likely to work odd hours."

"According to a Reuters/Ipsos national survey, about 10 percent of likely voters have already cast ballots. And of those who have voted, Obama holds a sizable lead over Romney - 56 percent to 35 percent. The poll has a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of plus or minus about five percentage points.That contrasts with a much closer race according to polls of likely voters. There, the president holds just a slight edge of 46 percent to 43 percent in Tuesday's Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll."


Stop playing dumb. This is clearly about making it more difficult for low income workers to vote. After all, those shiftless lazy 47%ers should get better jobs with paid time off.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ohio Secretary of state not giving up on his voter supression campain. I think this guy needs to do some jail time for contempt of court.

When are Republicans going to give up trying to block the votes for "some"?



http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19126

I doubt there's much to be done about it, because it's being applied to all voters in all areas.... well, unless Ohio law demands something to the contrary. Voting times & methods are still very much in the realm of States' Rights, with a lot of variation state to state...

Having early voting at all in Ohio, other than exclusively for the military, is still a victory for voting rights advocates & the people of Ohio. At least Ohio Repubs have been pushed back from big sleazy to lesser sleazy...

 

[HomerJS]

So how many hours is enough? 20? 40? 60? How about 24x7 voting hours? Oh yeah, those already exist, you can cast an absentee ballot at your convenience. Just more sniveling and whining about supposed suppression that's just a figment of your imagination. Anything short of having someone go to each voter's house at the time convenient to the voter and filling out the vote with straight 'D' down the line, the whiners are just going to claim suppression anyway.

Apparently the longer hours they had were ok for the Republican primary but not good months later for the general.

The reason for early voting was the long lines and people waiting up to 6-8 hours back in 2004.

The reason they want to cut it back because too many of the "wrong kind of people" were taking advantage of it.

 

[nehalem256]

Then why have early voting?

It doesn't take a genius to see why they'd allow early voting but not in the evenings.... to disenfranchise working class people in favor of people higher up the ladder with flexible schedules and the elderly.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/16/us-usa-campaign-ohio-voting-idUSBRE89F14F20121016

"In states that allow voters to cast ballots before election day, early voting and extended voting hours are thought to benefit Democratic candidates because lower-income people, who tend to vote for them, are more likely to work odd hours."

"According to a Reuters/Ipsos national survey, about 10 percent of likely voters have already cast ballots. And of those who have voted, Obama holds a sizable lead over Romney - 56 percent to 35 percent. The poll has a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of plus or minus about five percentage points.That contrasts with a much closer race according to polls of likely voters. There, the president holds just a slight edge of 46 percent to 43 percent in Tuesday's Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll."


Stop playing dumb. This is clearly about making it more difficult for low income workers to vote. After all, those shiftless lazy 47%ers should get better jobs with paid time off.

So people who work all day Saturday, all day Sunday, all day Monday, and then pull a double shift on Tuesday might have trouble voting?

EDIT: And one could argue that evenings are worse time to hold early voting. Lets think here? Poor people often work service jobs (Such as restaurants). And when would be the busiest times for these jobs?

 

[PokerGuy]

Apparently the longer hours they had were ok for the Republican primary but not good months later for the general.

So having certain hours for the republican primaries makes it mandatory to have the same hours for the national election? What if there were no early voting hours at all for the primaries, would you be OK then removing the early hours for the national election as well?

The two have nothing to do with each other. Early voting is not some God given right. If you want to vote early and can't make it in the hours available, use an absentee ballot. Just more sniveling and whining.

 

[Jhhnn]

So people who work all day Saturday, all day Sunday, all day Monday, and then pull a double shift on Tuesday might have trouble voting?

EDIT: And one could argue that evenings are worse time to hold early voting. Lets think here? Poor people often work service jobs (Such as restaurants). And when would be the busiest times for these jobs?

Meh. As we've seen, Repubs will attempt to shape the vote to their advantage by a variety of methods, justify their actions in whatever fashion they can muster.

Their leadership knows the truth, that they're a shrinking minority. The reasons for that are several, but that doesn't mean they'll deviate from their march to the Right, or that they won't attempt to hold onto power any way they can represent to be "fair". They're very much afraid of their own electorate, their own citizens, because they've been jerking the citizenry around for a very long time. Their own base votes zealously, even if other people don't, and they depend on that to be able to win at all.

 

[Exterous]

Last I checked, there no obligation to have the polls open early for a certain number of hours, or even to have them open early at all. The rules should be the same for everyone though, I completely disagree with trying to restrict hours in some places but not others to try and gain partisan advantage. Everyone should be playing by the same rules.

This I completely agree with - although I could see a granting of longer hours for densely populated areas.

On another note this is only a slight decrease in the hours available for some counties:

Cuyahoga County having 18 1/2 hours (in 2008)

Also:

Prior to this weekend, Ohioans will still not be able to cast a ballot in person on nights or weekends.

It would appear to me that Ohioans are still able to cast votes during the day from now up until the election. That would give them an additional 10 weekdays to find time to vote. Edit: It appears they have many opportunities to vote early as shown below:

 

[Exterous]

So....is Ohio really restricting early voters? Or is this just political propaganda?
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Voters/absentee/inperson.aspx

Early Voting In Person:
(All hours are uniform throughout Ohio)
Tuesday, October 2 - Friday, October 5:
8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, October 8:
Closed for state holiday

Tuesday, October 9 (deadline to register to vote):
8:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.

Wednesday, October 10 - Friday, October 12:
8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, October 15 - Friday, October 19:
8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, October 22 - Friday, October 26:
8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Monday, October 29 - Thursday, November 1:
8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Friday, November 2:
8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

Saturday, November 3:
8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

Sunday, November 4:
1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, November 5:
8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

My quick math shows Ohio gives voters 192 hours of operation to vote early. Cuyahoga County got 194.5 last year. OH NO! THEY REDUCED EARLY VOTING HOURS BY 1.14%!!!!!!!!!!

 

[emperus]

People, he took it to the Supreme Court. He lost. and instead of abiding by the decision he decides he is going to make changes still. He deserves to be thrown in jail on contempt charges.

 

[nehalem256]

Meh. As we've seen, Repubs will attempt to shape the vote to their advantage by a variety of methods, justify their actions in whatever fashion they can muster.

Their leadership knows the truth, that they're a shrinking minority. The reasons for that are several, but that doesn't mean they'll deviate from their march to the Right, or that they won't attempt to hold onto power any way they can represent to be "fair". They're very much afraid of their own electorate, their own citizens, because they've been jerking the citizenry around for a very long time. Their own base votes zealously, even if other people don't, and they depend on that to be able to win at all.

How about we just agree that the current early voting situation is not optimal

 

[MovingTarget]

People, he took it to the Supreme Court. He lost. and instead of abiding by the decision he decides he is going to make changes still. He deserves to be thrown in jail on contempt charges.

This. He should be booted out of office just like Roy Moore in my state. Unfortunately, he'd probably find his way back in a similar fashion.

If changes need to be made, you don't change them in the middle of an election cycle like that. It is blatant voter suppression. Wait until after. One should reasonably expect that the general election would operate by the same rules/hours as the primary that preceded it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

People, he took it to the Supreme Court. He lost. and instead of abiding by the decision he decides he is going to make changes still. He deserves to be thrown in jail on contempt charges.

The USSC stated he could not restrict/extend hours to a given group of voters.

Given that there are plenty of hours available (as shown by Exterous); any voter that wants to not wait until the last minute has an opportunity to vote.

How are the minority voters now being disenfranchised?

 

[HomerJS]

So having certain hours for the republican primaries makes it mandatory to have the same hours for the national election? What if there were no early voting hours at all for the primaries, would you be OK then removing the early hours for the national election as well?

The two have nothing to do with each other. Early voting is not some God given right. If you want to vote early and can't make it in the hours available, use an absentee ballot. Just more sniveling and whining.

So what you are saying it is perfectly fine for a Republican Sec of state to allow more voting hours for Republicans.

I guess that seems fair.

 

[HomerJS]

So....is Ohio really restricting early voters? Or is this just political propaganda?
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Voters/absentee/inperson.aspx

Early Voting In Person:
(All hours are uniform throughout Ohio)
Tuesday, October 2 - Friday, October 5:
8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, October 8:
Closed for state holiday

Tuesday, October 9 (deadline to register to vote):
8:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.

Wednesday, October 10 - Friday, October 12:
8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, October 15 - Friday, October 19:
8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, October 22 - Friday, October 26:
8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Monday, October 29 - Thursday, November 1:
8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Friday, November 2:
8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

Saturday, November 3:
8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

Sunday, November 4:
1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Monday, November 5:
8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

My quick math shows Ohio gives voters 192 hours of operation to vote early. Cuyahoga County got 194.5 last year. OH NO! THEY REDUCED EARLY VOTING HOURS BY 1.14%!!!!!!!!!!

2 Qs

Where did u get 194.5 hours last year.

Also what were the early voting hours in the Republican primary the weekend before election?