OHIO: Computer error at voting machine gives Bush 3,893 extra votes

[Bumrush99]

If can happen in one county, it can happen in all of them.

You never know, Kennedy stole the election in 1960, America has a long history of voting fraud by both parties. When computers and software are added to to the system, you can never be certain that someone hasn't figured out a way to crack the system, or even worse that the system itself is rigged to skew the numbers. Very scary.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm

SCOOP EDITOR'S INTRODUCTORY NOTE: Within parts of the U.S. progressive community there is already widespread concern that electronic voting fraud may provide an explanation for the astonishing 8 million vote gain made by George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential U.S. election.
Already there a variety of odd phenomena which have aroused suspicions about this possibility:

For example:

- In Florida Bush received a million extra votes, while Kerry received only 500,000 extra votes, in spite of a massive Democratic Get-Out-The-Vote(GOTV) and registration campaign in that state;

- In Florida's Broward County, a democratic stronghold and heavily black community, unauditable voting machines recorded a 33% (70,000+) vote gain on Bush's 2000 results and a much smaller gain to Kerry ? again Broward was the scene of a massive GOTV campaign;

- In several places voters reported ( http://www.infozine.com/news/s...storiesView/sid/4154/) voting for Kerry but noticing the machine record their vote for Bush;

- Recollections, reported here at Scoop.co.nz in 2003, that there is evidence of vote fraud in Florida in 2000 involving security holes in voting systems;

- Observations that many of the security flaws reported in mid 2003 in vote counting systems remained in place for the 2004 count last night (see? http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ for details.)

But by far the most wide source of public suspicion about the results came from the stark difference between the exit polls, which showed strong Kerry leads in many battleground states including Ohio and Florida, and the actual results in those same states. Bush achieved a 5% margin of victory in Florida and came very close to winning Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Add in the fact that the reported exit poll results were changed in the early hours of Wednesday morning, and there was a recipe for suspicion brewing in the online internet vote fraud community last night.

In order to attempt to get a firmer hold on the extent of vote fraud if it did occur Faun Otter (a veteran of the U.S. based vote fraud investigative community) conducted the following preliminary analysis comparing the initial exit poll results (note this link takes you to the revised results) vs actual results.

Funny how all the "evidence" of voter fraud is only in Bush's favor. Conjur, you know that's what you implied in your first post. Don't try to pretend that you meant errors on both sides. I knew if Bush won, neolibs would be crying foul for the next 4 years.

 

[conjur]

Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

So, now that your attempt to misrepresent the information has failed, you are now attacking the responders to your thread directly?

Please take a few moments to reflect on what your intentions were when making this thread and how your bias was uncovered. It should be an interesting inflection.

Thank you.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

Once you sore losers give it a rest.

This is like someone arguing over an instant replay on a holding call after the game is already over.

You started the thread. You are the one implying there is voter fraud, with no evidence. Nobody calling the waaahmbulance but you.

 

[conjur]

As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

We're sore winners because nobody is buying into your "voter fraud" conspiracy? lol :roll:

 

[Cable God]

Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

No, YOU MOVE THE FSCK ON, MOVEON.ORG! YOU are the ones whining and complaining, and the pic above fits you like a glove. All I see is you complaining and whining. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.

You can not escape your past posts.

Poster child Anit-Bush to a concerned partisan?

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: gsaldivar

Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

We're sore winners because nobody is buying into your "voter fraud" conspiracy? lol :roll:

No, Conjur only feels good when the Liberal posters respond to his threads and "high five" him for posting good information against the Conservative party. However, when a person reads into the thread and realizes that the information is skewed and calls him on it, then a different tone is present.

The number of off-centered threads by the Libs used to be offset by RipRorin's posts (for those who cared to read them.) - but, we've lost that option for the moment.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
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If one is trying to get a message out, post *all* of the information and let us decide for ourselves.

People are too stupid to decide for themselves - they have to give us information in small, palatable quantities.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beacon...ews/state/10103910.htm

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

Damschroder said he received some calls Thursday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

He said the error would have been discovered when the official canvass for the election is performed later this month.

Damschroder said after Precinct 1B closed, a cartridge from one of three voting machines at the polling place generated a faulty number at a computerized reading station.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race.

Damschroder said the cartridge was retested Thursday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned.

Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine Thursday and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.

Interesting...makes things a bit closer. Wonder how many other "errors" like this have occurred?

Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

 

[chess9]

First of all, these inquiries are legitimate. Just because your candidate won does not mean you shouldn't support such inquiries. Your candidate could be on the losing end the next time, or if major errors are found it might even transpire that Bush's win was LARGER than expected. So, those who are poo-pooing this are demonstrating a lot of stupidity and shortsightedness. You do want accurate vote counts, no?

I have no doubt there were many undetected errors caused by electronic voting machines. Most of you guys are geeks and know there are literally dozens of ways this could have happened.

So, patience and thoughtful analysis, not your mind-numbingly stupid comments-are called for.

I'd suggest you follow Ciba's lead. He appears to have his head screwed on in the forward-i.e. thinking-position.

Moose, you are becoming a bore.

-Robert

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: cablegod

Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

No, YOU MOVE THE FSCK ON, MOVEON.ORG! YOU are the ones whining and complaining, and the pic above fits you like a glove. All I see is you complaining and whining. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

Exactly. After all the gloating and "neocon" slamming we've endured over the past year, it feels so good to say "IN YOUR FACE!!! FOUR MORE FSCKIN' YEARS!!!!"

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.

Have you posted ANY evidence of voter fraud? I'd bet with a little work we could dig up many of the same errors/statistical anomolies in Kerry's favor. Of course, WE WON (obligatory face rubbing), so we don't have to

Your own personal biases are very telling. You're a partisan to the end. You've even made your own little partisan michael moore web site.

 

[Pliablemoose]

conjur, the links you gave mention preliminary pre-massaged exit poll data, which has been proven historically to be innacurate.

The firm that did the exit polling was employed by all of the networks.

Realistically, don't you think that with the network's access to all of the exit poll data that this would be the biggest story of the century?

Further, historically, fraud on the scale you're suggesting has typically been discovered, because it requires more than 1 person to perpitrate a fraud of the suggested magnitude.

If the Kerry campaign had a hint that this was going on, they never would have conceeded.

There were international observers, thousands of lawyers, and Michael Moore...

Please back away from the internet.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: conjur

Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

Sure, I'll respond. Just like in a sports game, there are bad calls. The law of averages says that errors on both sides cancel each other out. You just hope your team is up by enough points (votes) to cover the margin of error.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beacon...ews/state/10103910.htm

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

Damschroder said he received some calls Thursday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

He said the error would have been discovered when the official canvass for the election is performed later this month.

Damschroder said after Precinct 1B closed, a cartridge from one of three voting machines at the polling place generated a faulty number at a computerized reading station.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race.

Damschroder said the cartridge was retested Thursday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned.

Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine Thursday and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.

Interesting...makes things a bit closer. Wonder how many other "errors" like this have occurred?

Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

 

[chess9]

Rob:

O points for the quality of that analogy.

-Robert

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur
Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

[/quote]

Has user error been ruled out? Of course, I'm sure it wasn't one of the choice for the genesis of the error.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beacon...ews/state/10103910.htm

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

Damschroder said he received some calls Thursday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

He said the error would have been discovered when the official canvass for the election is performed later this month.

Damschroder said after Precinct 1B closed, a cartridge from one of three voting machines at the polling place generated a faulty number at a computerized reading station.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race.

Damschroder said the cartridge was retested Thursday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned.

Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine Thursday and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.

Interesting...makes things a bit closer. Wonder how many other "errors" like this have occurred?

Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

In the day and age of computers...its easy for coders to screw up or its also easy for coders to cheat something into the system.

Either way, how do you get an honest recount? You dont really know do you? (not you personally, btw, more of a rhetorical questions)

 

[TMPadmin]

Go ahead and recount all the votes. I'm sure they will come out in Bush's favor but if they don't, we have Kerry for President. I'll live; maybe I'll be better off maybe I'll be worse off. If there is reason for concern that a recount needs to be done, fine. If not let's put the election aside, make friends with conjur again and work toward tomorrow. We can not be a great country if everyone is blaming or pointing fingers. Our country's process elected President for a second term. This makes some happy this makes some mad or sad but it was done in a free country. Afghanistan just had free elections because of Us. Be happy you actually voted (if you did). Your team lost and not by much. But it was enough to loose. Maybe next time in 2008... But really, get over it. Look to tomorrow. And get ready for election 2008 Arnold Vs Clinton! That's a scary thought.

 

[Cable God]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.

Have you posted ANY evidence of voter fraud? I'd bet with a little work we could dig up many of the same errors/statistical anomolies in Kerry's favor. Of course, WE WON (obligatory face rubbing), so we don't have to

Your own personal biases are very telling. You're a partisan to the end. You've even made your own little partisan michael moore web site.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: cablegod

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.

Have you posted ANY evidence of voter fraud? I'd bet with a little work we could dig up many of the same errors/statistical anomolies in Kerry's favor. Of course, WE WON (obligatory face rubbing), so we don't have to

Your own personal biases are very telling. You're a partisan to the end. You've even made your own little partisan michael moore web site.

I made a partisan michael moron website? I must have done that in my sleep. I would like to see it. I am not gloating. I have not gloated at all. I am just saying GET THE FSCK OVER IT! IT'S OVER. DONE. There is NOTHING your whining and complaining will do. You're just waisting your energy and breath. Nothing will come of it. He's in there for ANOTHER 4 years, that can't be changed. I am not "FOR"nor against anyone. I am just sick and tired of hearing all the moaning and groaning about it.

That's a little odd, isn't it?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.

Have you posted ANY evidence of voter fraud? I'd bet with a little work we could dig up many of the same errors/statistical anomolies in Kerry's favor. Of course, WE WON (obligatory face rubbing), so we don't have to

Your own personal biases are very telling. You're a partisan to the end. You've even made your own little partisan michael moore web site.

"WE WON"

This is what's wrong with this damn board and what is wrong with a lot of the country. Why the fsck is everyone so divided just based on who they elected? Why does everything in politics come down to "us vs. them."

BTW, both of you (Conjur, Alchemize) are acting like 5 year olds.