OHIO: Computer error at voting machine gives Bush 3,893 extra votes

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conjur

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beacon...ews/state/10103910.htm
COLUMBUS, Ohio - A computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

Damschroder said he received some calls Thursday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

He said the error would have been discovered when the official canvass for the election is performed later this month.

Damschroder said after Precinct 1B closed, a cartridge from one of three voting machines at the polling place generated a faulty number at a computerized reading station.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race.

Damschroder said the cartridge was retested Thursday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned.

Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine Thursday and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.
Interesting...makes things a bit closer. Wonder how many other "errors" like this have occurred?
Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?
In the day and age of computers...its easy for coders to screw up or its also easy for coders to cheat something into the system.

Either way, how do you get an honest recount? You dont really know do you? (not you personally, btw, more of a rhetorical questions)
The good thing is this one incident was caught but what are they going to do to correct or to look for other locations where similar errors may have occured?
 

Cable God

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: cablegod
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, GIVE IT A FVCKING REST!


Or, do you support voter fraud as long as it helps your side? My original post only posted an article and I posted I wondered how many other places had this error. I said nothing of partisanship. Your own personal biases are very telling.
Have you posted ANY evidence of voter fraud? I'd bet with a little work we could dig up many of the same errors/statistical anomolies in Kerry's favor. Of course, WE WON (obligatory face rubbing), so we don't have to

Your own personal biases are very telling. You're a partisan to the end. You've even made your own little partisan michael moore web site.


I made a partisan michael moron website? I must have done that in my sleep. I would like to see it. I am not gloating. I have not gloated at all. I am just saying GET THE FSCK OVER IT! IT'S OVER. DONE. There is NOTHING your whining and complaining will do. You're just waisting your energy and breath. Nothing will come of it. He's in there for ANOTHER 4 years, that can't be changed. I am not "FOR"nor against anyone. I am just sick and tired of hearing all the moaning and groaning about it.

That's a little odd, isn't it?


I thought his comment was directed at me. I saw it wasn't and edited it.
 

Hossenfeffer

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Back to the OP, I see no reason for the attacks.

Yes, it is newsworthy that an extra 3000 votes were mistakenly given, particularly as states try to improve the accuracy of their voting equipment. Fraud? Maybe, maybe not. I figure it's just a glitch, personally, but I don't know the facts. Regardless of who the errors favor, it -is- worth knowing about them.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't hope for another 100 of these type of errors, but I'll stay realistic. While I'll definitely be one of the first to tell conjur to lay off some of his posts, the attacks in this one seem irrational, at least if looking at the OP.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beacon...ews/state/10103910.htm
COLUMBUS, Ohio - A computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

Damschroder said he received some calls Thursday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

He said the error would have been discovered when the official canvass for the election is performed later this month.

Damschroder said after Precinct 1B closed, a cartridge from one of three voting machines at the polling place generated a faulty number at a computerized reading station.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race.

Damschroder said the cartridge was retested Thursday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned.

Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine Thursday and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.
Interesting...makes things a bit closer. Wonder how many other "errors" like this have occurred?
Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?
In the day and age of computers...its easy for coders to screw up or its also easy for coders to cheat something into the system.

Either way, how do you get an honest recount? You dont really know do you? (not you personally, btw, more of a rhetorical questions)
The good thing is this one incident was caught but what are they going to do to correct or to look for other locations where similar errors may have occured?

its sort of like what happened in PA...some machines had votes on them before voting started....

do they go look at every machine? maybe...but do you count it as part of a recount? the margin didnt call for it, and neither did the candidates.

Perhaps we look at it as a lesson to be learned to make it better by next time.

personally, the machines shouldnt be that hard to code....heck..look at the polls here...you cant vote more than once...unless you really try I suppose...but to the average poster, they dont.

Anand...you need to come up with the new election system!
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: conjur

Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

They are Religiouis Right Wing Radicals and they rule the roost, so of course that is all they are going to do is attack you.

They don't have to do anything else, they don't have any accountability, they can do what ever they will.

Something the Non-Brainwashed have to get used to for at least the next 4 years, maybe forever in this Country.

Not a lot of options at this point for people that can think for themselves.

 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: conjur

Anyone going to comment on the fvck-up of the voting machine or simply attack me?

They are Religiouis Right Wing Radicals and they rule the roost, so of course that is all they are going to do is attack you.

They don't have to do anything else, they don't have any accountability, they can do what ever they will.

Something the Non-Brainwashed have to get used to for at least the next 4 years, maybe forever in this Country.

Not a lot of options at this point for people that can think for themselves.

not everyone of us is attacking conjur
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
The good thing is this one incident was caught but what are they going to do to correct or to look for other locations where similar errors may have occured?

its sort of like what happened in PA...some machines had votes on them before voting started....

do they go look at every machine? maybe...but do you count it as part of a recount? the margin didnt call for it, and neither did the candidates.

Perhaps we look at it as a lesson to be learned to make it better by next time.

personally, the machines shouldnt be that hard to code....heck..look at the polls here...you cant vote more than once...unless you really try I suppose...but to the average poster, they dont.

Anand...you need to come up with the new election system!
There were no machines in PA that had votes already in them. Even FOX News put the smackdown on Drudge for that erroneous report.


But, our election system is in dire need of a complete overhaul. Seriously, how hard is it for the government to develop an open-source system for use in our elections?
 

CellarDoor

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I appreciate the posts Conjur. No matter who it favors, it's important to know this information.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: mribnik1
I appreciate the posts Conjur. No matter who it favors, it's important to know this information.
You're welcome. That's the point I was trying to make.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: cablegod
Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

No, YOU MOVE THE FSCK ON, MOVEON.ORG! YOU are the ones whining and complaining, and the pic above fits you like a glove. All I see is you complaining and whining. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

Exactly. After all the gloating and "neocon" slamming we've endured over the past year, it feels so good to say "IN YOUR FACE!!! FOUR MORE FSCKIN' YEARS!!!!"

By the end of those "FOUR MORE FSCKIN' YEARS" you'll be eating those words.

That's what the complaints are about. After the first four years, during which the Bush agenda became apparent, and his campaign claims became the lies we told you they would become, you people still actually want him for another four years.

The results are sure to be even more disastrous than the first four. In your face. Four more years.

God help us all.

 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
The good thing is this one incident was caught but what are they going to do to correct or to look for other locations where similar errors may have occured?

its sort of like what happened in PA...some machines had votes on them before voting started....

do they go look at every machine? maybe...but do you count it as part of a recount? the margin didnt call for it, and neither did the candidates.

Perhaps we look at it as a lesson to be learned to make it better by next time.

personally, the machines shouldnt be that hard to code....heck..look at the polls here...you cant vote more than once...unless you really try I suppose...but to the average poster, they dont.

Anand...you need to come up with the new election system!
There were no machines in PA that had votes already in them. Even FOX News put the smackdown on Drudge for that erroneous report.


But, our election system is in dire need of a complete overhaul. Seriously, how hard is it for the government to develop an open-source system for use in our elections?

really...its hard to keep all this s*** straight

 

Corn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

Somebody ban this worthless troll. Oh, that's right, I almost forgot.......
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
The good thing is this one incident was caught but what are they going to do to correct or to look for other locations where similar errors may have occured?
its sort of like what happened in PA...some machines had votes on them before voting started....

do they go look at every machine? maybe...but do you count it as part of a recount? the margin didnt call for it, and neither did the candidates.

Perhaps we look at it as a lesson to be learned to make it better by next time.

personally, the machines shouldnt be that hard to code....heck..look at the polls here...you cant vote more than once...unless you really try I suppose...but to the average poster, they dont.

Anand...you need to come up with the new election system!
There were no machines in PA that had votes already in them. Even FOX News put the smackdown on Drudge for that erroneous report.


But, our election system is in dire need of a complete overhaul. Seriously, how hard is it for the government to develop an open-source system for use in our elections?
really...its hard to keep all this s*** straight
That it is.

However, since States do have their rights, can the Federal goverment implement something nationwide? Or, at the least, can the Federal government create some standard with which the States must comply?
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Don't you get it? The election WAS fixed. The democratic party did not want Kerry to win so THEY fixed the election. WhY? So H. Clinton can run in 2008.

LOL, that's my exact thought!!

I don't know whether bill clinton is laughing or crying about now. I'm sure he hope to be the head of the UN with his wife in office as his strongest ally.

Antichrist anyone?
 

Insane3D

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Interesting post. I personally think an accurate count is in everyone's best interest..regardless of the winner, or the race.

I often wonder myself why we don't have one standardized, easily verifiable, method of voting in this country.
 

Infohawk

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We have to make the electronic voting machines more transparent. How would we know if someone was rigging them otherwise then?
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
We have to make the electronic voting machines more transparent. How would we know if someone was rigging them otherwise then?

Do you realize how EASY it is to rig those damn things?
 

lordtyranus

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Infohawk
We have to make the electronic voting machines more transparent. How would we know if someone was rigging them otherwise then?

Do you realize how EASY it is to rig those damn things?
I thought Republicans don't have the brains to do anything of the sort. If this forum is any reflection, the tech/computer nerds are predominantly Democratic.
 

TapTap

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Um, 4000 votes mistatakenly for Bush.
Makes one wonder if the margin (now 133,000 votes ;)) he won by should be reviewed.
Yawn.....
 

Gen Stonewall

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Don't you get it? The election WAS fixed. The democratic party did not want Kerry to win so THEY fixed the election. WhY? So H. Clinton can run in 2008.

LOL, that's my exact thought!!

I don't know whether bill clinton is laughing or crying about now. I'm sure he hope to be the head of the UN with his wife in office as his strongest ally.

Antichrist anyone?

I can't see how Hillary could possibly become popular enough to be elected unless the people were put under a delusion of some sort.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Don't you get it? The election WAS fixed. The democratic party did not want Kerry to win so THEY fixed the election. WhY? So H. Clinton can run in 2008.

LOL, that's my exact thought!!

I don't know whether bill clinton is laughing or crying about now. I'm sure he hope to be the head of the UN with his wife in office as his strongest ally.

Antichrist anyone?

I can't see how Hillary could possibly become popular enough to be elected unless the people were put under a delusion of some sort.

Hey, it worked for Bush.

 

CPA

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm
SCOOP EDITOR'S INTRODUCTORY NOTE: Within parts of the U.S. progressive community there is already widespread concern that electronic voting fraud may provide an explanation for the astonishing 8 million vote gain made by George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential U.S. election.
Already there a variety of odd phenomena which have aroused suspicions about this possibility:

For example:

- In Florida Bush received a million extra votes, while Kerry received only 500,000 extra votes, in spite of a massive Democratic Get-Out-The-Vote(GOTV) and registration campaign in that state;

- In Florida's Broward County, a democratic stronghold and heavily black community, unauditable voting machines recorded a 33% (70,000+) vote gain on Bush's 2000 results and a much smaller gain to Kerry ? again Broward was the scene of a massive GOTV campaign;

- In several places voters reported ( http://www.infozine.com/news/s...storiesView/sid/4154/) voting for Kerry but noticing the machine record their vote for Bush;

- Recollections, reported here at Scoop.co.nz in 2003, that there is evidence of vote fraud in Florida in 2000 involving security holes in voting systems;

- Observations that many of the security flaws reported in mid 2003 in vote counting systems remained in place for the 2004 count last night (see? http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ for details.)

But by far the most wide source of public suspicion about the results came from the stark difference between the exit polls, which showed strong Kerry leads in many battleground states including Ohio and Florida, and the actual results in those same states. Bush achieved a 5% margin of victory in Florida and came very close to winning Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Add in the fact that the reported exit poll results were changed in the early hours of Wednesday morning, and there was a recipe for suspicion brewing in the online internet vote fraud community last night.

In order to attempt to get a firmer hold on the extent of vote fraud if it did occur Faun Otter (a veteran of the U.S. based vote fraud investigative community) conducted the following preliminary analysis comparing the initial exit poll results (note this link takes you to the revised results) vs actual results.


So, now we get our news from New Zealand. Anywhere you can find something in your favor, right?
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: conjur
Give it a fvcking rest you sore winners. Jesus Christ!

the hate, the hate....I only thought repubs were hatemongers.