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Game Theater XP 6.1 and Altec Lansing ACS56 Digital 4.1 speakers here. No difference noticed.
 
I've been waiting for this day when I can have a player that bypasses that attrocious Kmixer. I tried to get ASIO support for my SB live and use the SSRC plug-in to output to ASIO (in Winamp with MAP plug-in), but it involved some major headache to get an unofficial driver set for SB live. I have it set to 48Khz for the SB live and yes it sounds better. It would sound even better with a better sound card but there are limitations to computer audio and I don't care to push it on a hardware level, but free software improvements are always welcome. Thanks.
 
Originally posted by: Bangsailio
Originally posted by: jaeger66
Originally posted by: Bangsailio using 24bit or resamping to 48khz is not needed since audio quality will not "sound" better than what it was originally recorded (16/44). this pertains only to music cds, not audio dvds (24/192)
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True, but that's not the point. EVERY AC97 card, which is all of them below the semi-pro level, will upsample everything to 48kHz. But the quality of the hardware resampling on consumer cards ranges from sort of acceptable to awful. By using foobar to resample before the stream hits the card, you will bypass this effect.
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if thats the case, thats understandable, i guesh. man stupid maudio card. it doesnt work on kernal streaming while a $1 ac97 can =(
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How are you saying that KS doesn't work on your M-Audio? Is it from the DTS CD test or are saying that because you didn't hear any difference? Thanks.
 
when you install it, you have to select in the components, I believe, to tell it to install Kernel Streaming. You have to do that before you can select it to output to it




I try to change output from directsound or waveout to Kernel Streaming and it gives me some error. I downloaded the additional dsp pack. It works on directsound output and waveout fine. Please let me know how I can fix this. I am using onboard Nforce2 sound. Thanks
 
Originally posted by: kehi
when you install it, you have to select in the components, I believe, to tell it to install Kernel Streaming. You have to do that before you can select it to output to it




I try to change output from directsound or waveout to Kernel Streaming and it gives me some error. I downloaded the additional dsp pack. It works on directsound output and waveout fine. Please let me know how I can fix this. I am using onboard Nforce2 sound. Thanks
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Preferences ..

Playback

Post Processing > what Output Data format does it say? Try and lower it 1 (if it's 16, move it to 8) and try.
 
people, can someone explain to me when/whether the 'resampling' plays a role listeing to normal CD audio or MP3 ?

You talk about that kernel streaming (bypassing kmixer) only makes sense when the native audio source is greater than 48khz (because then it has to be downsampled/remixed).

BUT...99,99% of all normal CDs and 99,99% of all MP3 are sampled in 44.1khz, there *is* no resampling...so...kernel streaming (and bypassing the kmixer resampler) doesnt make sense !?
ie. IN: 44.1 khz sampled audio OUT:44.1 khz !!!!

Or are we talking 'uber-geeks' here who listen to some special HQ CDs with some geeky extremely high sample rates ???
Again: I do NOT think this affects the normal-user which listens to normal CDs and MP3s...correct me if i am wrong...

greetings





 
Originally posted by: Bangsailio
using 24bit or resamping to 48khz is not needed since audio quality will not "sound" better than what it was originally recorded (16/44). this pertains only to music cds, not audio dvds (24/192)

edit: there are some sacd's out there, but 99.9% of mp3s ripped are 16/44 ... wasting cpu usage on resampling will not help..
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Bingo !!!!!!!!!

 
Ewwwww this sucks, when I put it in Kernel Streaming, and try to play a song, it says ERROR (foo_out_ks) : KS output error: unsupported data format. What's up with that? I have a Santa Cruz running Windows XP Pro.
 
Originally posted by: KhoiFather
Ewwwww this sucks, when I put it in Kernel Streaming, and try to play a song, it says ERROR (foo_out_ks) : KS output error: unsupported data format. What's up with that? I have a Santa Cruz running Windows XP Pro.
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i have the same setup ..

make sure Playback is set to 16 bit
 
from what i understand the benefit from bypassing the 'forced' (hardware) upsampling to 48khz may be neglectible if you consider that MP3s usually are already lossy....
Other story for the case someone has some audio dvds (196khz) and some really high end equipment...then yes....but normal people ??!?! 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Sid59
Originally posted by: KhoiFather
Ewwwww this sucks, when I put it in Kernel Streaming, and try to play a song, it says ERROR (foo_out_ks) : KS output error: unsupported data format. What's up with that? I have a Santa Cruz running Windows XP Pro.
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i have the same setup ..

make sure Playback is set to 16 bit
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Oh nvm, now it works =D
 
Originally posted by: flexy
from what i understand the benefit from bypassing the 'forced' (hardware) upsampling to 48khz may be neglectible if you consider that MP3s usually are already lossy.... Other story for the case someone has some audio dvds (196khz) and some really high end equipment...then yes....but normal people ??!?! 🙂
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Audio material on DVDs is capped at 96Khz. DVD-A is capped at 192Khz with MLP. Besides why anybody want to upsample 96Khz (on a computer)?

Just becasue MP3s already sound crappy doesn't mean that it is alright to make them worse with poor hardware resampling and jitter introduction. In fact people who have tried upgraded to using Winamp with the MAD plug-in and the SSRC plug-in who then later upgraded to using an ASIO driver set (on a supported card) with ASIO output enabled, have mentioned that the improvement in the 2nd jump is much greater than in the first jump.

You also have to consider that people still play CDs in their computers.

At the end of the day this is just something that is better for free. Nobody really should expect a revelation from a computer playing audio into any sort of computer speaker system.
 
Hmm, im using the Nforce2 soundstrom (Epox 8Rda+) and under preferences/playback/outback I only have direct sound and waveout 🙁 Do I need to install anything else?
 
When you are installing, make sure you select all the optional components. Kernal Streaming is one of the optional components. It's a little better, the base sounds richer and some treble is clearer. A good improvement considering it's free. I could get a lot more out of it if I had a 24bit/96KHz capable card, but soundstorm is a good choice. Couldn't this be in the Software forum, still, it probably gets more views in OT. Peace.
 
Originally posted by: flexy
people, can someone explain to me when/whether the 'resampling' plays a role listeing to normal CD audio or MP3 ?
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Because, as I already explained, EVERYTHING is resampled to 48kHz. The hardware upsampling on most cards sucks. The resampling in foobar does not. End of story.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
sounds great on my headphones.. but any idea if thers a way to get it to play wmas?
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Not natively, but you might check out the 3rd party plugin page. Lots of stuff there.
 
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