Oh look.... GMO corn causes tumors in rats, according to a study

[shira]

Why are people having such a difficult time understanding the set-up?

The study found that rats fed ONLY GMO corn (no Roundup) suffered the same damage as rats fed the same amount of GMO corn + Roundup, compared with rats fed non-GMO, non-Roundup.

In other words, GMO alone caused the damage.

 

[xBiffx]

wrong assumption. Pesticide safe meant safe to eat after use of pesticides (could have worded it better, but whatever). Study clearly shows that their pesticide safe GMO seeds/foods are just as effective as RoundUp on animals.

You sir, are a complete moron and totally wrong. Pesticide safe, Round-up Ready, herbicide resistant all mean that the farmer can spray their entire field with herbicide and it will only kill the weeds or other non GMO corn plants.

To the OP. None of this is relevant, whatsoever. First off, you aren't supposed to eat food sprayed with any chemical without washing it off. Same goes for your "safe" organic that is grown in shit. Second, you have never eaten and likely will never eat GMO corn. Nowhere is GMO corn used for the food supply. You eat sweetcorn and none of that is GMO to date. This technology is strictly reserved or seed corn, feed corn, and dent corn, none of which humans consume.

I can't believe I have been forced from retirement by yet again another failure at flaming the GMO crop industry by a completely bogus study sensationalized by yet another fanatic within AT.

 

[wirednuts]

You sir, are a complete moron and totally wrong. Pesticide safe, Round-up Ready, herbicide resistant all mean that the farmer can spray their entire field with herbicide and it will only kill the weeds or other non GMO corn plants.

To the OP. None of this is relevant, whatsoever. First off, you aren't supposed to eat food sprayed with any chemical without washing it off. Same goes for your "safe" organic that is grown in shit. Second, you have never eaten and likely will never eat GMO corn. Nowhere is GMO corn used for the food supply. You eat sweetcorn and none of that is GMO to date. This technology is strictly reserved or seed corn, feed corn, and dent corn, none of which humans consume.

I can't believe I have been forced from retirement by yet again another failure at flaming the GMO crop industry but a completely bogus study sensationalized by yet another fanatic within AT.

well, we do try to feed the rest of the world with gmo food and even if we dont directly eat it ourselves, the animals we do eat have already eaten that stuff.

i dont like gmo foods because we dont have the research to prove its OK. and we have plenty of land to cultivate on. theres no reason for it. well, its more cost effective if thats a good reason.

 

[Todd33]

Ah progressives, so afraid of progress.

Ya, we are just the ones that produce all the progress. Let me know how many scientists, engineers and smart people are right wing douche bags.

 

[DrPizza]

so why did i get chrons disease? why didnt i have it as a kid? i grew up on mostly organic food, it all used to be. but late teens hit and i was eating the same foods but those foods are now gmo. i hit 20 and lived with chrons for 6 years, still with lingering problems. it wasnt until i started buying local foods that i finally got my symptoms to settle down. i highly doubt that is coincidence.

OMG! Kids are given vaccines, and quite often, when an autism diagnosis is made, it's a little while after the vaccines. I doubt that is a coincidence.
<sarcasm>

People are prone to look for cause and effect, particularly when trying to understand something that they don't. In your case, you claim that switching over to organic food stopped your Crohns. Apparently, the word "coincidence" doesn't do anything for you.

 

[blankslate]

I really hope that this proposition in California passes

http://http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/...abeling_of_Genetically_Engineered_Food_(2012)

If it passes there hopefully it'll be easier to pass elsewhere.

Consumers should be able to make a choice about whether or not they want to eat GMO as food without having to go all out and shop only at organic markets which may be out of the way where they live

 

[lotus503]

You sir, are a complete moron and totally wrong. Pesticide safe, Round-up Ready, herbicide resistant all mean that the farmer can spray their entire field with herbicide and it will only kill the weeds or other non GMO corn plants.

To the OP. None of this is relevant, whatsoever. First off, you aren't supposed to eat food sprayed with any chemical without washing it off. Same goes for your "safe" organic that is grown in shit. Second, you have never eaten and likely will never eat GMO corn. Nowhere is GMO corn used for the food supply. You eat sweetcorn and none of that is GMO to date. This technology is strictly reserved or seed corn, feed corn, and dent corn, none of which humans consume.

I can't believe I have been forced from retirement by yet again another failure at flaming the GMO crop industry by a completely bogus study sensationalized by yet another fanatic within AT.

Head back into retirement, GMO is used for food products such as HFCS, cooking oils and used to feed livestock.

All of which we either consume directly or indirectly.

 

[DrPizza]

Wait a second...

Researchers from the University of Caen found that rats fed on a diet containing NK603 &#8211; a seed variety made tolerant to amounts of Monsanto's Roundup weedkiller &#8211; or given water mixed with the product, at levels permitted in the United States &#8211; died earlier than those on a standard diet.
The research conducted by Gilles-Eric Seralini and his colleagues, said the rats suffered mammary tumors, as well as severe liver and kidney damage. The study was published in the journal of Food and Chemical Toxicology and presented at a news conference in London.
Fifty percent of male and 70 percent of female rats died prematurely, compared with only 30 percent and 20 percent in the control group, said the researchers.

This sounds rather incredulous. To think that no one else has given them "safe levels" (as permitted in the U.S.) and observed severe liver and kidney damage makes me very skeptical of this study.

 

[xBiffx]

well, we do try to feed the rest of the world with gmo food and even if we dont directly eat it ourselves, the animals we do eat have already eaten that stuff.

i dont like gmo foods because we dont have the research to prove its OK. and we have plenty of land to cultivate on. theres no reason for it. well, its more cost effective if thats a good reason.

Wong, wrong, and yep wrong.

No one is trying to feed anyone (person) with GMO. Nowhere in the world is this happening, try again. Sure animals eat it. But that doesn't mean you are when you eat the animal. Animals eat their own shit too.

We have plenty of research to prove it. It all has to go through regulatory of the FDA and USDA in order to be used. Do a little research before making a blanket statement like that. This is one area that I think the government does a good job with its regulations, and where they are definitely needed.

The world population is set to double in the next 20-30 years. That means 12 billion people. The land that can be cultivated is set to double when? Oh right, they stopped making land a long time ago. Without technology such as GMO, we cannot possible feed the world using organic, non engineered products. Simply isn't possible.

 

[wirednuts]

OMG! Kids are given vaccines, and quite often, when an autism diagnosis is made, it's a little while after the vaccines. I doubt that is a coincidence.
<sarcasm>

People are prone to look for cause and effect, particularly when trying to understand something that they don't. In your case, you claim that switching over to organic food stopped your Crohns. Apparently, the word "coincidence" doesn't do anything for you.

do you have any idea what chrons is, idiot?

 

[xBiffx]

Head back into retirement, GMO is used for food products such as HFCS, cooking oils and used to feed livestock.

All of which we either consume directly or indirectly.

You seriously going to tell me that, with all the processing of these products, and their underlying health issues with overuse, you think that starting with GMO corn is the problem?

The process used to makes these destroys any remnants of the DNA of the original corn, making your post useless.

 

[lotus503]

OMG! Kids are given vaccines, and quite often, when an autism diagnosis is made, it's a little while after the vaccines. I doubt that is a coincidence.
<sarcasm>

People are prone to look for cause and effect, particularly when trying to understand something that they don't. In your case, you claim that switching over to organic food stopped your Crohns. Apparently, the word "coincidence" doesn't do anything for you.

Yeah because what we consume has no relation at all to illness or disease.

As far as autism goes, it's 1 out of 55 now according to some studies, largely affects males and is rampant in the us vs other industrialized nations.

Why is that do you think?

 

[wirednuts]

Wong, wrong, and yep wrong.

No one is trying to feed anyone (person) with GMO. Nowhere in the world is this happening, try again. Sure animals eat it. But that doesn't mean you are when you eat the animal. Animals eat their own shit too.

We have plenty of research to prove it. It all has to go through regulatory of the FDA and USDA in order to be used. Do a little research before making a blanket statement like that. This is one area that I think the government does a good job with its regulations, and where they are definitely needed.

The world population is set to double in the next 20-30 years. That means 12 billion people. The land that can be cultivated is set to double when? Oh right, they stopped making land a long time ago. Without technology such as GMO, we cannot possible feed the world using organic, non engineered products. Simply isn't possible.

wrong wrong wrong 🙄 other countries have flat out turned down our food donations because they dont want gm foods. its been all over the news. where do you hide?

and i think you are gravely mistaken with the amount of land we supposedly dont have- or the technology to turn unusable land into areas that will grow food.

 

[lotus503]

You seriously going to tell me that, with all the processing of these products, and their underlying health issues with overuse, you think that starting with GMO corn is the problem?

The process used to makes these destroys any remnants of the DNA of the original corn, making your post useless.

You just stated we don't eat it, that's false we do eat it. Neither of us knows the impact of consumption of GMO corn products.

That's the point.

 

[wirednuts]

You seriously going to tell me that, with all the processing of these products, and their underlying health issues with overuse, you think that starting with GMO corn is the problem?

The process used to makes these destroys any remnants of the DNA of the original corn, making your post useless.

no. im tired of this. gm food do not hold the same nutritional value as normal food, that is not a debate. its not even close, and even if thats the only problem (doubt it) its a bad enough problem because we are essentially filling our bodies with stuff that cant be turned into energy. thats where a lot of our illness comes from, simple lack of proper nutrition.

 

[wirednuts]

You just stated we don't eat it, that's false we do eat it. Neither of us knows the impact of consumption of GMO corn products.

That's the point.

i think he either worked for monsato or is lobbying for that industry. gm foods are not about keeping everyone fed. anyone who thinks that is just... i dont know.. blind i guess but im looking for a far more damning word.

 

[xBiffx]

no. im tired of this. gm food do not hold the same nutritional value as normal food, that is not a debate. its not even close, and even if thats the only problem (doubt it) its a bad enough problem because we are essentially filling our bodies with stuff that cant be turned into energy. thats where a lot of our illness comes from, simple lack of proper nutrition.

Care to show data supporting this? Since we don't use it for human consumption, I am curious to know who has tested this? We do not directly consume GMO corn so yet again, your posts is completely useless.

 

[lotus503]

Wong, wrong, and yep wrong.

No one is trying to feed anyone (person) with GMO. Nowhere in the world is this happening, try again. Sure animals eat it. But that doesn't mean you are when you eat the animal. Animals eat their own shit too.

We have plenty of research to prove it. It all has to go through regulatory of the FDA and USDA in order to be used. Do a little research before making a blanket statement like that. This is one area that I think the government does a good job with its regulations, and where they are definitely needed.

The world population is set to double in the next 20-30 years. That means 12 billion people. The land that can be cultivated is set to double when? Oh right, they stopped making land a long time ago. Without technology such as GMO, we cannot possible feed the world using organic, non engineered products. Simply isn't possible.

I don't trust regulators that are largely comprised of the same people who were on the payroll of the companies that produce GMOs.

Nor do I trust posters who state we don't eat GMOs when facts dictate otherwise.

 

[bfdd]

Half the problem is corn fucking sucks anyways and humans get little to no nutritional value from it anyways GMO or not. Hell it's a seed and only birds can fully digest seed. If corn is a big part of your diet you're doing food wrong. This includes eating corn fed animals that aren't chickens.

 

[xBiffx]

You just stated we don't eat it, that's false we do eat it. Neither of us knows the impact of consumption of GMO corn products.

That's the point.

You eat meat, therefore you eat shit that he cow ate. Are you kidding me? When was the last time you filled up your car with crude oil, or the last time you wiped your ass with a log. Just like these products, products processed from GMO corn are no longer the original products but a processed product.

Gasoline is no longer oil, toilet paper is no longer wood, and corn syrup is no longer corn. The process has changed the original into something else and in doing so has changed the properties of said original.

So I say again, YOU DO NOT EAT GMO corn.

 

[lotus503]

Care to show data supporting this? Since we don't use it for human consumption, I am curious to know who has tested this? We do not directly consume GMO corn so yet again, your posts is completely useless.

Attribute sweet corn is grown and eaten directly. Try again.

 

[xBiffx]

I don't trust regulators that are largely comprised of the same people who were on the payroll of the companies that produce GMOs.

Nor do I trust posters who state we don't eat GMOs when facts dictate otherwise.

So now the government is in a giant conspiracy to line the pockets of the GMO industry?

"Soylent Green is people, Soylent Green is people, Soylent Green is people!"

Give me a break.

 

[xBiffx]

Attribute sweet corn is grown and eaten directly. Try again.

Like I said before, there is no GMO sweet corn. GMO is reserved for seed, feed, and other dent corn varieties. You are showing more and more ignorance with every single post.

I work in the industry and have for the last decade. If you want to get into a debate, I suggest doing some heavy reading before typing a word and continuing to show your ignorance.

 

[lotus503]

You eat meat, therefore you eat shit that he cow ate. Are you kidding me? When was the last time you filled up your car with crude oil, or the last time you wiped your ass with a log. Just like these products, products processed from GMO corn are no longer the original products but a processed product.

Gasoline is no longer oil, toilet paper is no longer wood, and corn syrup is no longer corn. The process has changed the original into something else and in doing so has changed the properties of said original.

So I say again, YOU DO NOT EAT GMO corn.

Your right I don't eat it, but people do,
Attribute sweet corn is eaten directly and there is no proof one way or the other that corn byproducts HFCS or oils.
Are less dangerous.

Feed a cow shit and drink its milk or eat it, it's part of natural occurring breakdown, feed it pesticides then eat it.

Your comparison to feces and pesticides GMO are laughable.

 

[lotus503]

Like I said before, there is no GMO sweet corn. GMO is reserved for seed, feed, and other dent corn varieties. You are showing more and more ignorance with every single post.

I work in the industry and have for the last decade. If you want to get into a debate, I suggest doing some heavy reading before typing a word and continuing to show your ignorance.

So a genetically modified Attribute seed grown to mature corn and consumed directly is not eating it?

Got it.