oh god...heart attack eminent...Captain Insane-0...why have you shown me this?

[Toonces]

I love my FLET's

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
we measure the expense in terms of homes passed. even in densely populated areas, our expense for ftth would be $5-6000/ home passed. this is due to infrastructure, materials, licensing, and labor. when someone gets cable installed, there is a loss that must be recovered over time. with ftth, that loss is absolutely massive.

how much would you like to pay for the internet? $100/mo.? $300/mo.? more? no? then stfu.

Then please, since you're so knowledgeable, tell us how other countries are doing it. I'm honestly curious to know. Who is this "we" you speak of, by the way.

i will not disclose my employer.
other countries' expenses are a fraction of the US. you should know this.

why does it cost so much more do do basicially all the same stuff here, im sure in japan they have tech then go and install it and blah blah blah, what is so different that it costs us 5K and them not 5K

 

[Boztech]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

* "Up to 1 Gbps" indicates the maximum speed on the access section between the NTT East local switch and the optical network unit (ONU) installed at the subscriber's residence. The transmission speed of the subscriber is up to 100 Mbps. "Up to 100 Gbps" and "up to 100 Mbps" indicate maximum values based on technical standards. The actual Internet connection speed may be lower depending on factors such as the subscriber's usage environment and line congestion.

Sorry to burst your bubble...

Glad I wasn't the first to notice that.

Nobody wants to fucking read any more.

 

[everman]

Japan is 145,840 square miles, California is 163,707 square miles. That's just California. The US is 3,537,441 square miles, and if we narrowly construe that down to only populated areas it's still much larger than Japan as a whole. It's cheaper to run fiber and supply service over a smaller geographical area.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Just to let you know, Vietnam opted to pay for the expensive optical cable when they were offered copper for free by the American soon after the US/Vietnam normalized relation during the 90s. Vietnam knew that they would have to suffer the low speed and depends on the American for outdated & expensive support.

Pretty dumb...they should have just had the Americans install the copper for free, then install fiber in parallel, rip up the old copper, and sell it for lots of $$$.

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
i will not disclose my employer.
other countries' expenses are a fraction of the US. you should know this.

The US is NOT the most expensive country in the world. Not by a long shot. This is Japan we're talking about, not Uganda.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

you're right, i'm talking out of my ass.

just curious, how many other people here have spent the last decade working for a telecom giant? i'm dealing with municipalities and other utilities, designing, constructing and maintaining networks with 1000's of plant miles, performing FCC compliance testing, and fighting my own cheap-ass company every step of the way. so wtf do i know.

edit: i hope you're happy, getting me out of bed to argue with random strangers at 2:30AM.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
you're right, i'm talking out of my ass.

just curious, how many other people here have spent the last decade working for a telecom giant? i'm dealing with municipalities and other utilities, designing, constructing and maintaining networks with 1000's of plant miles, performing FCC compliance testing, and fighting my own cheap-ass company every step of the way. so wtf do i know.

edit: i hope you're happy, getting me out of bed to argue with random strangers at 2:30AM.

And yet, you can't even tell us who you work for. Did you sign some kind of NDA when you were hired that prevents you from ever stating who your employer is? Lol.

Never mind, though. You lost all credibility when you implied that things are cheaper in Japan than they are in the U.S. This is Japan we're talking about. You know that, right? At one point the real estate in the city of Tokyo alone had a higher book value than the entire Continental United States. You should know this.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
you're right, i'm talking out of my ass.

just curious, how many other people here have spent the last decade working for a telecom giant? i'm dealing with municipalities and other utilities, designing, constructing and maintaining networks with 1000's of plant miles, performing FCC compliance testing, and fighting my own cheap-ass company every step of the way. so wtf do i know.

edit: i hope you're happy, getting me out of bed to argue with random strangers at 2:30AM.

I don't know the specifics. It's possible that for whatever reason (union workers/governmental regulations/poorly written city code/top-heavy corporations/lack of competition/etc) it's more expensive here than in Japan to install a given section of fiber, but the basic labor costs aren't terrible, so if we're speaking in generalities ("Why does the US not have great internet?"), that whole thing would go under restrictive laws or poor management, not basic expenses. If it takes 3 workers and 15 high-paid executives to install something here, and 2 workers, 1 exec and a robot in Japan, that doesn't imply that the US is expensive, but inefficient.

You're just watching TV, so deal.

 

[chuckywang]

What's the point of such fast download speeds if nothing has that fast upload speeds?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
you're right, i'm talking out of my ass.

just curious, how many other people here have spent the last decade working for a telecom giant? i'm dealing with municipalities and other utilities, designing, constructing and maintaining networks with 1000's of plant miles, performing FCC compliance testing, and fighting my own cheap-ass company every step of the way. so wtf do i know.

edit: i hope you're happy, getting me out of bed to argue with random strangers at 2:30AM.

And yet, you can't even tell us who you work for. Did you sign some kind of NDA when you were hired that prevents you from ever stating who your employer is? Lol.

Never mind, though. You lost all credibility when you implied that things are cheaper in Japan than they are in the U.S. This is Japan we're talking about. You know that, right? At one point the real estate in the city of Tokyo alone had a higher book value than the entire Continental United States. You should know this.

....
Cost of living has NOTHING to do with this. US has like the oldest infrastructure compared to other upcoming nations. Korea has fast internet because they spent the vast majority of the IMF grant on laying down an ultramodern network. US still has those old ATM lines running across the country (btw, i believe US ranks as the 3rd most populous nation on earth?..and has more metropolitan areas and landmass and the like than Korea and Japan?).

For a company to lay anything down, they must go through so much bureaucracy and red tape to even get any proposal to be in the works.

But i'm obviously talking out of my own ass too, since I'm not in that industry, but my peers are.


It's just that we're squeezing whatever life is left in our older infrastructure. To dig the entire thing up and do it again requires R&D, proposals, approval, more approval, more R&D due to a previously unknown problem, red tape, obviously skilled labor, restricting roads, temporary outages, delays, advertising...etc...

bah what the hell do I know though...

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

And yet, you can't even tell us who you work for. Did you sign some kind of NDA when you were hired that prevents you from ever stating who your employer is? Lol.

why? it can only hurt my career, which is far more valuable to me than your opinion.

"Never mind, though. You lost all credibility when you..."

oh no!!!! not my credibility!!

"At one point the real estate in the city of Tokyo alone had a higher book value than the entire Continental United States."

i demand you immediately post a link to a legit source to back up that colossal statement, or commit hari kari on youtube.

 

[Journer]

i'de sacrifice internet outage up to a month if it meant i could have 100mbit connection for cheap...

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
we measure the expense in terms of homes passed. even in densely populated areas, our expense for ftth would be $5-6000/ home passed. this is due to infrastructure, materials, licensing, and labor. when someone gets cable installed, there is a loss that must be recovered over time. with ftth, that loss is absolutely massive.

how much would you like to pay for the internet? $100/mo.? $300/mo.? more? no? then stfu.

Then please, since you're so knowledgeable, tell us how other countries are doing it. I'm honestly curious to know. Who is this "we" you speak of, by the way.

frankly, when you get to certain levels it is inappropriate to ask employer info.