Officials: New Taliban chief was once at Gitmo

[jman19]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

There you go... "uh muh buh buh buh but Obama!"

That doesn't make any sense. Obama is the current commander in chief; he asked for the job to fight these people.

He was asking you what you thought, while conveniently ignoring that the article is about actions taken under the Bush admin.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Oh, so you support locking up innocent people for as long as the war is on?

When do you think the "War on terror" will be won? Do you have any idea? When all terrorists are dead? Because then it will be forever, because that will never happen.

How about we lockup winnar111 for the duration of the war. He can practice what he preaches. Surely you don't mind this little sacrifice to help your country?

We don't know that they're innocent at all, and we don't know what they'll do when they're released. It's not like they're going to join Greenpeace.

Please read and educate yourself. Around 500+ people have been released from Gitmo, the majority didn't do anything wrong.

Of those 500+, 90% haven't done anything against us since they were released.

So you are saying that Bush let 500 guilty people go? Why would he do that.?

If they aren't guilty, you have no reason to hold them. Just because you "think they might be guilty" doesn't mean squat. If you have no proof, they are innocent and get let go. And since 90%+ haven't done anything since, it seems that most are innocent.

So you have no problem with locking up a lot of innocent people in the hopes that a few guilty ones will be locked up as well. You really are a nice guy, aren't you? Willing to through the laws of this country out the window so you can feel safe at night. What a true internet American patriot you are. :disgust:

Killing a few innocent people would have been worth stopping people like the current Taliban leader from being released. How many innocent people have the Taliban killed since he came to power. Do you think they give a shit that you feel guilty? Probably not, they probably wonder why the weak is such a pussy for letting this guy go to keep killing them. But hey, it is not your woman and children being mutilated, raped and tortured right? No need to care.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: winnar111
That doesn't make any sense. Obama is the current commander in chief; he asked for the job to fight these people.

He was asking you what you thought, while conveniently ignoring that the article is about actions taken under the Bush admin.

No, the article is about what Obama plans to do with people like this scumbag, knowing what we know now that we didn't know then. He's mentioned numerous times.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: winnar111
That doesn't make any sense. Obama is the current commander in chief; he asked for the job to fight these people.

He was asking you what you thought, while conveniently ignoring that the article is about actions taken under the Bush admin.

No, the article is about what Obama plans to do with people like this scumbag, knowing what we know now that we didn't know then. He's mentioned numerous times.

That's funny, the first line, and your comment on the article, is about how this guy was let out under the Bush admin.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for some reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

So what happens you become a potential enemy? We can lock you up forever? You dont' mind, right?

Why are we talking about me? I'm a civilian living in new jersey, not a flag burning jihadist named mohammed who hates the United States.

But you could be a sleeper agent. Can you prove you aren't? Otherwise, you *might* be terrorist, just like you think everyone in Gitmo *might* be a terrorist. What's the diff?

It's exactly what you think

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111
Why are we talking about me? I'm a civilian living in new jersey, not a flag burning jihadist named mohammed who hates the United States.

But you could be a sleeper agent. Can you prove you aren't? Otherwise, you *might* be terrorist, just like you think everyone in Gitmo *might* be a terrorist. What's the diff?

It's exactly what you think

Could be according to who? We have elected officials, professionals, a new wiretapping program, and a load of other intelligence gathering capabilities to make that determination.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Killing a few innocent people would have been worth stopping people like the current Taliban leader from being released. How many innocent people have the Taliban killed since he came to power. Do you think they give a shit that you feel guilty? Probably not, they probably wonder why the weak is such a pussy for letting this guy go to keep killing them. But hey, it is not your woman and children being mutilated, raped and tortured right? No need to care.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Murder and rape and torture are wrong, and illegal. For everyone. Just because one group does it doesn't give us the right to do something equally bad ourselves.

Most normal people in this country are fine with going after terrorists. It's just that you can't break the law while doing it. Can you comprehend that?

Just because we don't subscribe to your "kill them all, let god sort them out" view doesn't mean we like terrorists.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Of those 500+, 90% haven't done anything against us since they were released.

Correction: 500+ haven't been caught doing anything since they were released.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: RichardE
Killing a few innocent people would have been worth stopping people like the current Taliban leader from being released. How many innocent people have the Taliban killed since he came to power. Do you think they give a shit that you feel guilty? Probably not, they probably wonder why the weak is such a pussy for letting this guy go to keep killing them. But hey, it is not your woman and children being mutilated, raped and tortured right? No need to care.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Murder and rape and torture are wrong, and illegal. For everyone. Just because one group does it doesn't give us the right to do something equally bad ourselves.

Most normal people in this country are fine with going after terrorists. It's just that you can't break the law while doing it. Can you comprehend that?

Just because we don't subscribe to your "kill them all, let god sort them out" view doesn't mean we like terrorists.

They are not protected under US law.

Sorry I don`t subscribe to your I would rather let one criminal go who will kill innocents than accidentally keep one person who might not commit a crime later. Since these pêople are not innocent, they were sent here because they were caught committing terrorist activities.

Sorry your moralistic justifications for knowinglly allowing innocents to die doesn't wash with me.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111
Why are we talking about me? I'm a civilian living in new jersey, not a flag burning jihadist named mohammed who hates the United States.

But you could be a sleeper agent. Can you prove you aren't? Otherwise, you *might* be terrorist, just like you think everyone in Gitmo *might* be a terrorist. What's the diff?

It's exactly what you think

Could be according to who? We have elected officials, professionals, a new wiretapping program, and a load of other intelligence gathering capabilities to make that determination.

No we don't. Your buddy Bush decided back in 2003 that he had unilateral power to lock up any US citizen forever with no proof or trial. Remember Jose Padilla? It took 4 years of court challenges to get him a trial. That meant that we could lock you up for no reason at all.

You are ready, without even knowing who is in Gitmo, to lock them up just in case. You know nothing about them, and it isn't stopping you from assuming that they should be locked up.

You don't think the gov could have made mistakes? You've never heard of the stories of innocent men released from our US prisons after being convicted wrongly? But somehow, everyone in Gitmo is magically 100% guilty? You are an idiot.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111
Why are we talking about me? I'm a civilian living in new jersey, not a flag burning jihadist named mohammed who hates the United States.

But you could be a sleeper agent. Can you prove you aren't? Otherwise, you *might* be terrorist, just like you think everyone in Gitmo *might* be a terrorist. What's the diff?

It's exactly what you think

Could be according to who? We have elected officials, professionals, a new wiretapping program, and a load of other intelligence gathering capabilities to make that determination.

No we don't. Your buddy Bush decided back in 2003 that he had unilateral power to lock up any US citizen forever with no proof or trial. Remember Jose Padilla? It took 4 years of court challenges to get him a trial. That meant that we could lock you up for no reason at all.

You are ready, without even knowing who is in Gitmo, to lock them up just in case. You know nothing about them, and it isn't stopping you from assuming that they should be locked up.

You don't think the gov could have made mistakes? You've never heard of the stories of innocent men released from our US prisons after being convicted wrongly? But somehow, everyone in Gitmo is magically 100% guilty? You are an idiot.

So where are these prisons full of American Prisoners en masse who would obviously be there if your scenario was even remotely plausible.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Of those 500+, 90% haven't done anything against us since they were released.

Correction: 500+ haven't been caught doing anything since they were released.

Correction: Winnar111 hasn't been caught doing anything against the US.

See what I did? My statement is 100% valid just like yours. And means it absolutely nothing, just like your post.

Get it yet? Does Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

Once again, I never said I actively want to release people at Gitmo... your strawman arguments are growing tiresome. If you can't make a reasonable argument, stop posting.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

Once again, I never said I actively want to release people at Gitmo... your strawman arguments are growing tiresome. If you can't make a reasonable argument, stop posting.

Oh you don't? Than please tell me what it is you want to do.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Of those 500+, 90% haven't done anything against us since they were released.

Correction: 500+ haven't been caught doing anything since they were released.

Correction: Winnar111 hasn't been caught doing anything against the US.

See what I did? My statement is 100% valid just like yours. And means it absolutely nothing, just like your post.

Get it yet? Does Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you?

Your statement is valid. If Winnar did anything to arouse suspicion of terrorist activities he would deserve whatever is coming to him, same for me, same for you, same for everyone.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

Once again, I never said I actively want to release people at Gitmo... your strawman arguments are growing tiresome. If you can't make a reasonable argument, stop posting.

Oh you don't? Than please tell me what it is you want to do.

All I said was that murdering people who haven't been tried is a sick thing to do. The rest of this rambling above is all you buddy.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

Once again, I never said I actively want to release people at Gitmo... your strawman arguments are growing tiresome. If you can't make a reasonable argument, stop posting.

Oh you don't? Than please tell me what it is you want to do.

All I said was that murdering people who haven't been tried is a sick thing to do. The rest of this rambling above is all you buddy.

So you don't have a position on it at all? You don't want to actively release people, so you must have a position since you know what you do not want to do. So please, share with us, what would you do with these prisoners. Since I can be assured by your stance innocent people would not die, I am intrigued.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

Once again, I never said I actively want to release people at Gitmo... your strawman arguments are growing tiresome. If you can't make a reasonable argument, stop posting.

Oh you don't? Than please tell me what it is you want to do.

All I said was that murdering people who haven't been tried is a sick thing to do. The rest of this rambling above is all you buddy.

So you don't have a position on it at all? You don't want to actively release people, so you must have a position since you know what you do not want to do. So please, share with us, what would you do with these prisoners. Since I can be assured by your stance innocent people would not die, I am intrigued.

I didn't say I don't have a position, but all you're doing now is conveniently trying to put the onus on me after I called you out for wanting to MURDER imprisoned people who have yet to proven guilty. Sorry, not letting you divert from my original post

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.

Talk about terrible logic... I never said I care more about the prisoners than innocent lives. Don't dare accuse me of that bullshit you swine.

You don't have to say it, your pathetic "let them go they are innocent wahhh" says enough. You didn't even bother thinking this through, you just want to take a stance for some feel good warm fuzzies. You care more about these fucks than the acts they committed. Do you honestly think they were just picked up randomly out of a coffee shop and shipped over? They were in the process of terrorist activities or actively participating in activities and for reason didn't get a bullet for there troubles. So yeah, I will accuse you of that since that is what you are saying you sick fuck.

Please quote me where I said "let them go they are inncoent wahhh." I'll be waiting... or are you just going to throw up ANOTHER strawman?

Sorry, not going along with your "just kill them" attitude is not equivalent to caring more about them than innocents.

I already states that you didn't say it explicable. Hell you assumed when I said disposed I meant kill, I could just mean locked up indefinably or shipped to an island. Pushing strawmen now? I understand the fact you don't want to face the consequences of your bleeding heart bullshiot feel good ideas but the consequences are real. You let some fucker go because you cry a little inside, will you shed tears when he helps kill innocents?

Hell knowing you fucks, you would probably turn around and blame the Administration for pushing him to do it. Keep trying to deny with your `but I never explicitly said verbatim these words. Pathetic.

So yeah, you are a sick fuck, I mean we can release them all and get more Taliban leaders that kill innocents in Afghanistan. As long as it makes you guys feel warm fuzzies right?

You seem to have some kind of paranoia or "you're with us or against us" type of complex... there's no point in arguing with you. All I did was show disdain towards your idea that we should be murdering people in secret prisions, but somehow you arrive at the conculsion that I side with terrorists over innocents. I'm not sure why you bother engaging in discussions with people when you just decide to read whatever you want to see. At this point, you're nothing more than a troll I'm afraid.

You actively want to release people at Gitmo knowing full well they are there for specific reasons. Your argument itself portrays you as taking the side of these terrorists in some moralistic endeavor to uphold some abstract idea of the basis of US law as more important than the repercussions of releasing these people.

I am not paranoid, you are in denial about the consequences of your argument.

Once again, I never said I actively want to release people at Gitmo... your strawman arguments are growing tiresome. If you can't make a reasonable argument, stop posting.

Oh you don't? Than please tell me what it is you want to do.

All I said was that murdering people who haven't been tried is a sick thing to do. The rest of this rambling above is all you buddy.

So you don't have a position on it at all? You don't want to actively release people, so you must have a position since you know what you do not want to do. So please, share with us, what would you do with these prisoners. Since I can be assured by your stance innocent people would not die, I am intrigued.

I didn't say I don't have a position, but all you're doing now is conveniently trying to put the onus on me after I called you out for wanting to MURDER imprisoned people who have yet to proven guilty. Sorry, not letting you off the hook

Except you didn't call me out on it since I have no shame about it and have actively admitted to my preference for killing the scum of the planet. I would probally kill 3/4 of the US prison population plus every prisoner of war taken if it was up to me. Sadly it is not, but in the meantime I can take solace in the fact the Obama adminstration seems the good that gitmo serves.

Now you have stated that a position you cannot seem to defend. So since whatever position you hold would not result in innocent deaths, what would you do? Unless of course you havn't actually thought about this and just jumped in this conversation on some moralistic emotional crusade at outrage that some people think death is a prefered solution to many of the worlds problems. If that was it you can admit that too.

As far as calling me out? I don't know how you can call someone out who actively admits to his stance.