Officials: New Taliban chief was once at Gitmo

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Mani

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007.

Nice work, Bush.

Nice. Somehow I bet the OP wouldn't be posting this if he read that.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: OrByte
It is unfortunate that while this person was in prison that the US government couldn't find a way to try and convict him of crimes.

The Gitmo prison was a legal farce of the highest degree....people that deserved to be tried and convicted were not.

Thank goodness we have an administration now that is taking its legal responsibilities seriously.

I agree. That's why, IMHO, you terminate on sight. Then you don't have to waste precious money clothing, feeding, and housing these primative animals.

It's amazing how much a bullet can save.
 

Harvey

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Did anyone notice the third paragraph in loozar's quoted article?

Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007. Rasoul is now known as Mullah Abdullah Zakir, a nom de guerre that Pentagon and intelligence officials say is used by a Taliban leader who is in charge of operations against U.S. and Afghan forces in southern Afghanistan.

If he was released in December, 2007, he was released by the Bushwhackos, not the Obama administration. That leaves two possiblities:

1. He was originally innocent of any charges, and the Bushwhackos squandered years of his life and who knows how much money converting him into a man with every reason to hate America and seek vengence against those who imprisoned him.

2. He was guilty of some crime or attack against us, and the humpty-dumpty Traitor In Chief and all the king's men were too inept and incompetent to find a legitimate way to deal with him and the rest of those caught up in their criminal folly.

And of course, they left us holding the bag for the cost of their multiple illegal misadventures. :thumbsdown: :|
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: Fern
We don't know that he was waterboarded.

Nope, what this illustrates is that US civilian courts, and rules, are arguably not appropriate for foreign terrorists.

Closing GITMO without having an alternative available will likely prove to be as foolish as it was politically motivated.

Fern

How can Gitmo be the solution, when this happened while Gitmo was open? Ridiculous to use evidence of a system's failure as proof that the system was working.

Maybe we should try something different, like putting these people on trial and locking them up if we have evidence of wrongdoing?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: OrByte
It is unfortunate that while this person was in prison that the US government couldn't find a way to try and convict him of crimes.

The Gitmo prison was a legal farce of the highest degree....people that deserved to be tried and convicted were not.

Thank goodness we have an administration now that is taking its legal responsibilities seriously.

I agree. That's why, IMHO, you terminate on sight. Then you don't have to waste precious money clothing, feeding, and housing these primative animals.

It's amazing how much a bullet can save.

You're worse than the 'terrorists' - an immoral scumbag.
 

alien42

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"Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007"

no surprise that losar111 did not fault GWB for this. of course we all know that if this prisoner would have been released after Obama was sworn in he would have been blamed.

come on you political hack, say it....GWB is to blame for this.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: OrByte
It is unfortunate that while this person was in prison that the US government couldn't find a way to try and convict him of crimes.

The Gitmo prison was a legal farce of the highest degree....people that deserved to be tried and convicted were not.

Thank goodness we have an administration now that is taking its legal responsibilities seriously.

I agree. That's why, IMHO, you terminate on sight. Then you don't have to waste precious money clothing, feeding, and housing these primative animals.

It's amazing how much a bullet can save.

You're worse than the 'terrorists' - an immoral scumbag.

Would you rather let 100 Jihadis go free than keep one innocent goat-herder locked up in Gitmo?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oh, come on. We all know he was a charity worker before he went to gitmo. :laugh:


Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??

So predictable. So, so predictable.

I'm not sure if you are noticing the irony in your post.

That I was making fun of the bleeding-heart "Oh, everyone we captured in Afghanistan was innocent before gitmo" auto-bot response, and then someone actually said it?

Irony not found.

I've never heard anyone say "everyone captured in Afghanistan was innocent before Gitmo".

I HAVE heard people say "everyone in Gitmo is guilty of something" however, which is what your post implied.

Irony most definitely found.
 

Jaskalas

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Those forcing us to release terrorists are aiding and abetting them and should be treated no differently. It is TREASON to have supported this Taliban leader.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
What, did you expect waterboarding to reform them?

The problem with Gitmo is that we used torture diminishing our ability to legally try, convict and execute these terrorists. Blame your boy W for that one.

You are right. Should have just popped em in the head after the waterboarding, something I've advocated before but people said was too inhumane. Would have stopped shit like what happened in the OP. People care for our enemies too much.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
charge them with a crime or let them out..you dont keep people on suspicion forever

/thread (think it's the first time I've typed that)

The willingness of people to treat others horribly is just appalling.

One of the most politically incorrect things to discuss is the possibility that some of our citizens deserve to be the targets of terrorism, but some make it impossible to avoid.

When you have people who are so willing to treat others so badly with double standards, it's an injustice that cries out for the abused people - and people for justice - to revolt.

The people who are really against terrorist are for fighting terrorism and against wronging others.

The people claiming to oppose terrorism but wanting these extreme measures are like the people who claimed to be against black riots - and supported stronger anti-black measures.

I can't recall hearing from one perosn on the right yet who grasps the concept that the people who benefit from terrorism are those who can use it as an issue to get power.

It's a little like Joe McCarthy and communism - he'd destroy our values in his efforts to oppose the enemies of our values, all for his own power. He needed communists.

Of course, they have an entire other agenda - especially the policies to send wealth to the top - that terrorism is very handy for distracting people from.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
What, did you expect waterboarding to reform them?

The problem with Gitmo is that we used torture diminishing our ability to legally try, convict and execute these terrorists. Blame your boy W for that one.

You are right. Should have just popped em in the head after the waterboarding, something I've advocated before but people said was too inhumane. Would have stopped shit like what happened in the OP. People care for our enemies too much.

Yes, because the people in Gitmo were unique human beings whose terrorism skills and leadership couldn't POSSIBLY be found elsewhere.
 

theflyingpig

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Further proof that this so-called "War on Terror" is being fought by fools. None of this should have ever seen the light of day. Prisons like gitmo are not meant for the public to know about, they must be kept secret. The public is simply to weak minded to handle such things. Torture and killing are all a part of war, and cannot be avoided. These pathetic attempts to "civilize" war are foolish, war must be brutal. This administration must make gitmo go away to pacify the public. Instead, the must build secret prisons, out of the pubic eye, while presenting the image that it is always treating prisoners with dignity and respect because this is what the public desires. This is how things must be done. Everyone knows this.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
What, did you expect waterboarding to reform them?

The problem with Gitmo is that we used torture diminishing our ability to legally try, convict and execute these terrorists. Blame your boy W for that one.

You are right. Should have just popped em in the head after the waterboarding, something I've advocated before but people said was too inhumane. Would have stopped shit like what happened in the OP. People care for our enemies too much.

Yes, because the people in Gitmo were unique human beings whose terrorism skills and leadership couldn't POSSIBLY be found elsewhere.

That is funny, I just said it would stop that guy :confused:

Glad you are so passive though that you don't want to actively do anything because someone else might still pick up the banner. Pathetic.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Further proof that this so-called "War on Terror" is being fought by fools. None of this should have ever seen the light of day. Prisons like gitmo are not meant for the public to know about, they must be kept secret. The public is simply to weak minded to handle such things. Torture and killing are all a part of war, and cannot be avoided. These pathetic attempts to "civilize" war are foolish, war must be brutal. This administration must make gitmo go away to pacify the public. Instead, the must build secret prisons, out of the pubic eye, while presenting the image that it is always treating prisoners with dignity and respect because this is what the public desires. This is how things must be done. Everyone knows this.

Wow. /facepalm
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: alien42
"Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007"

no surprise that losar111 did not fault GWB for this. of course we all know that if this prisoner would have been released after Obama was sworn in he would have been blamed.

come on you political hack, say it....GWB is to blame for this.

When did I mention Obama in the OP?
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: alien42
"Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007"

no surprise that losar111 did not fault GWB for this. of course we all know that if this prisoner would have been released after Obama was sworn in he would have been blamed.

come on you political hack, say it....GWB is to blame for this.

When did I mention Obama in the OP?

It's you. It's implied.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: alien42
"Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007"

no surprise that losar111 did not fault GWB for this. of course we all know that if this prisoner would have been released after Obama was sworn in he would have been blamed.

come on you political hack, say it....GWB is to blame for this.

When did I mention Obama in the OP?

It's you. It's implied.

:cookie:
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: alien42
"Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007"

no surprise that losar111 did not fault GWB for this. of course we all know that if this prisoner would have been released after Obama was sworn in he would have been blamed.

come on you political hack, say it....GWB is to blame for this.

When did I mention Obama in the OP?

It's you. It's implied.

:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: Dari
Would you rather let 100 Jihadis go free than keep one innocent human being locked up in Gitmo?

I fixed that for you. I guess we know what your answer is. Do you also support locking up innocent US citizens as well?
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
What, did you expect waterboarding to reform them?

The problem with Gitmo is that we used torture diminishing our ability to legally try, convict and execute these terrorists. Blame your boy W for that one.

You are right. Should have just popped em in the head after the waterboarding, something I've advocated before but people said was too inhumane. Would have stopped shit like what happened in the OP. People care for our enemies too much.

:shocked: :disgust:

Wow, that is truly disgusting that you think like that.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.