Officials: New Taliban chief was once at Gitmo

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winnar111

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: halik
Isn't the afghani gov't supposed to keep track of them?

But more to the core of the thing,
How many convicted murders kill again after release? Should we just lock up everyone infinitely in fear of repeat crimes?
How do you balance the innocent people in Gitmo as opposed to the real terrorist?

Good thing is we've already answered these questions as a society and have a system to deal with this. It's better to let some criminals go than to imprison the innocent (thus the "innocent till proven guilty" principle).
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In MHO, halik has nailed the issue.

He may have been held at GITMO, but if you can't come up with the evidence to show why he should be held, its proper that he should be released. The real crime, and the far greater abuse of human rights is to hold imprison and torture someone for many years on no evidence.

The other thing to question is the winnar111 allegation is something like a big cheese Taliban leader, at best he may be a player along with many many others.
And some of the most anti-Nato fighters we are fighting are not really Taliban at all,
they were former mujahadeen fighters, paid and trained by our very own CIA.

And for that matter, Noriaga and Saddam Hussein were also on the CIA payroll, our the enemy of my enemy is my friend assumption seldom pans out in the end.

And historically, much of the motivation for the American Revolution and the war of 1812 was over the British policy of suppressing human rights, arbitrarily detaining people without charges, and kidnapping people who no longer wanted to have anything to do with the British system of injustice that was similarly based on might makes right.

The last thing we should come away from this thread is that we should imprison everyone we can grab up on the assumption they MIGHT act against us.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Yes. The risk otherwise is too great.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

I think you missed the bolded part.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Oh, so you support locking up innocent people for as long as the war is on?

When do you think the "War on terror" will be won? Do you have any idea? When all terrorists are dead? Because then it will be forever, because that will never happen.

How about we lockup winnar111 for the duration of the war. He can practice what he preaches. Surely you don't mind this little sacrifice to help your country?

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Yes. The risk otherwise is too great.

Wow. I wonder how you'd feel if it was a member of your family or friend in the same situation.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are disgusting. Should we "put down" everyone in our US prisons as well?

Hell, why bother with a real trial, let's just execute anyone we think might of committed a crime. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: winnar111

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

Of course, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that this guy was released by the Bush administration.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Yes. The risk otherwise is too great.

Wow. I wonder how you'd feel if it was a member of your family or friend in the same situation.

I would feel the deserved it if they were in there. It is not like the US is rounding up people en masse for these prisons so your "there all innocent!" bs rings pretty false. If someone is there they deserve to be. Obviously I would be upset at the idea of a family member there for purely emotional reasons, but logically, they would have done something to deserve it and releasing them would be too much of a risk.

 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Yes. The risk otherwise is too great.

Please move to North Korea. Your views will fit in better there. Plus you can execute anyone you want with no charges, it would be perfect for you.

How about we report you to the FBI/CIA....then it's OK that you get locked up for 7+ years with no real evidence, right? Because you are innocent, but the risk is too great that you might not be, and we can't take that chance.

Locking up known innocent people forever (or even 7 years, which must feel like forever) goes against all the laws of this country. Unless you accept and are OK with this happening to you, your friend,s and family, you can't support it.




 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are disgusting. Should we "put down" everyone in our US prisons as well?

Hell, why bother with a real trial, let's just execute anyone we think might of committed a crime. :roll:

I have advocated greatly expanding the death penalty to include multiple offenses to the point anyone who committed a crime that severely affected another individuals life would be executed. Society doesn't need to pamper its trash. So yes, we should dispose of a good percentage of people currently in prison for violent, sex, or crimes that have deeply affected other peoples lives. Society isn't going to shed a tear over the deaths of scum.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Oh, so you support locking up innocent people for as long as the war is on?

When do you think the "War on terror" will be won? Do you have any idea? When all terrorists are dead? Because then it will be forever, because that will never happen.

How about we lockup winnar111 for the duration of the war. He can practice what he preaches. Surely you don't mind this little sacrifice to help your country?

We don't know that they're innocent at all, and we don't know what they'll do when they're released. It's not like they're going to join Greenpeace.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

So what happens you become a potential enemy? We can lock you up forever? You dont' mind, right?
 

yllus

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Nice, detain innocents for almost an entire decade while letting actual threats resume important roles as the enemy in a warzone. Good work U.S. military and intelligence.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: RichardE
Yes. The risk otherwise is too great.

Please move to North Korea. Your views will fit in better there. Plus you can execute anyone you want with no charges, it would be perfect for you.

How about we report you to the FBI/CIA....then it's OK that you get locked up for 7+ years with no real evidence, right? Because you are innocent, but the risk is too great that you might not be, and we can't take that chance.

Locking up known innocent people forever (or even 7 years, which must feel like forever) goes against all the laws of this country. Unless you accept and are OK with this happening to you, your friend,s and family, you can't support it.

Why should I? My views seem to fit in North America, and with the actions I am advocating already taking place and no one really giving a shit (including the current administration) it seems we are doing just fine taking a hardline stance against terrorists and still mainting a democracy. In case you missed the peaceful transfer of power even when these "atrocities" were being committed.

You guys are a hoot, its hard to argue this is snowballing when we get the most left government elected in generations who continues the policies and we have the most right wing government leave peacefully, all while "democracy is being destroyed". Face it, society doesn't give two shits about these people, and why should they?

 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

So what happens you become a potential enemy? We can lock you up forever? You dont' mind, right?

Why are we talking about me? I'm a civilian living in new jersey, not a flag burning jihadist named mohammed who hates the United States.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

There you go... "uh muh buh buh buh but Obama!"
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

So what happens you become a potential enemy? We can lock you up forever? You dont' mind, right?

If I was partaking in acts of terrorism against a super power I would be well aware of the potential risks of being caught. I would deserve everything I had coming to me, including torture and permanent detainment. There are risks for idiocy.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111

Not forever, no. Only for the duration of the war on terror. Gitmo needs to be a 1 way street.

Are you serious? It's been 7 years since the WOT started and it's far from finished. You think it's ok to lock up people without charging them for 7+ years?

Well, that's up to your buddy Obama. If he wants to surrender the war on terror he can do that; else you have to keep our enemies and potential enemies under check.

There you go... "uh muh buh buh buh but Obama!"

:confused: That doesn't make any sense. Obama is the current commander in chief; he asked for the job to fight these people.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: winnar111
:cookie:

Awww, don't like the reputation you've earned? Sorry, your fault.

Get a life. :laugh:

So you never answered the question: So you support locking up everyone (knowing that 90% of all released prisoners haven't done anything since being released) forever, and thus knowing you are locking up wrongly innocent people?

Please answer the question.

They should be disposed of within the prison. They are in there for a reason.

Wow, you are one sick fuck.

No the sick fucks are these people blowing up children going to school or woman shopping. I am glad to see though that you care more about the prisoners than ensuring the sick fuck activities of killing innocents stops. Good to see where you stand on this issue. Here, you are the sick fuck, the one who would rather get some feel goods from releasing someone from a prison because the issue is close to home, but ignoring what that person will potentially do when he returns. You think the US goes "look, an Arab get him!" and incurs the cost of sending every Arab they find to Gitmo? If you do, you are an idiot, we would have prisonS with populations of millions. They are in there for a reason.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Oh, so you support locking up innocent people for as long as the war is on?

When do you think the "War on terror" will be won? Do you have any idea? When all terrorists are dead? Because then it will be forever, because that will never happen.

How about we lockup winnar111 for the duration of the war. He can practice what he preaches. Surely you don't mind this little sacrifice to help your country?

We don't know that they're innocent at all, and we don't know what they'll do when they're released. It's not like they're going to join Greenpeace.

Please read and educate yourself. Around 500+ people have been released from Gitmo, the majority didn't do anything wrong.

Of those 500+, 90% haven't done anything against us since they were released.

So you are saying that Bush let 500 guilty people go? Why would he do that.?

If they aren't guilty, you have no reason to hold them. Just because you "think they might be guilty" doesn't mean squat. If you have no proof, they are innocent and get let go. And since 90%+ haven't done anything since, it seems that most are innocent.

So you have no problem with locking up a lot of innocent people in the hopes that a few guilty ones will be locked up as well. You really are a nice guy, aren't you? Willing to through the laws of this country out the window so you can feel safe at night. What a true internet American patriot you are. :disgust: