Officials: New Taliban chief was once at Gitmo

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WASHINGTON - The Taliban's new top operations officer in southern Afghanistan had been a prisoner at the Guantanamo Bay detention center, the latest example of a freed detainee who took a militant leadership role and a potential complication for the Obama administration's efforts to close the prison.

U.S. authorities handed over the detainee to the Afghan government, which in turn released him, according to Pentagon and CIA officials.

Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007. Rasoul is now known as Mullah Abdullah Zakir, a nom de guerre that Pentagon and intelligence officials say is used by a Taliban leader who is in charge of operations against U.S. and Afghan forces in southern Afghanistan.

The officials, who spoke anonymously because they are not authorized to release the information, said Rasoul has joined a growing faction of former Guantanamo prisoners who have rejoined militant groups and taken action against U.S. interests. Pentagon officials have said that as many as 60 former detainees have resurfaced on foreign battlefields.

Pentagon and intelligence officials said Rasoul has emerged as a key militant figure in southern Afghanistan, where violence has been spiking in the last year. Thousands of U.S. troops are preparing to deploy there to fight resurgent Taliban forces.

One intelligence official told the Associated Press that Rasoul's stated mission is to counter the U.S. troop surge.

Although the militant detainees who have resurfaced were released under the Bush administration, the revelation underscores the Obama administration's dilemma in moving to close the detention camp at Guantanamo and figuring out what to do with the nearly 250 prisoners who remain there.

In one of his first acts in office, President Barack Obama signed an executive order to close the jail next year. The order also convened a task force that will determine how to handle remaining detainees, who could be transferred to other U.S. detention facilities for trial, transferred to foreign nations for legal proceedings or freed.

More than 800 prisoners have been imprisoned at Guantanamo; only a handful have been charged. About 520 Guantanamo detainees have been released from custody or transferred to prisons elsewhere in the world.

A Pentagon tally of the detainees released show that 122 were transferred from Guantanamo in 2007, more than any other year.

Growing number rejoining fight
The Pentagon's preferred option is to hand them over to their home governments for imprisonment. But the Defense Intelligence Agency's growing list of former prisoners that have rejoined the fight shows that, in some cases, that system does not work.

According to the Pentagon, at least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and 43 others are suspected of resuming terrorist activities. The Pentagon has declined to provide a complete list of the former prisoners they suspect are now on the battlefield.

According to case documents assembled by the U.S. military for a 2005 review of Rasoul's combatant status at Guantanamo, the Afghan was captured in 2001 in Konduz.

Rasoul was captured while armed with a gun and sitting in the car of an alleged Taliban leader. He insisted to American authorities he was forced to carry the gun by the Taliban. Rasoul told the tribunal in 2005 that in fact he had surrendered with other Taliban members to the Northern Alliance in Konduz on Dec. 12, 2001.

The Northern Alliance was involved in a protracted civil war with the Taliban and was allied with U.S. forces in the October 2001 invasion.



Yet another former Gitmo inmate rejoins the opposition in the war on Terror and attacks our nation. It was certainly a mistake to hand them off then and is definitely a mistake to do so now.
 

Jack Flash

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What, did you expect waterboarding to reform them?

The problem with Gitmo is that we used torture diminishing our ability to legally try, convict and execute these terrorists. Blame your boy W for that one.
 

OCGuy

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Oh, come on. We all know he was a charity worker before he went to gitmo. :laugh:
 

Fern

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We don't know that he was waterboarded.

Nope, what this illustrates is that US civilian courts, and rules, are arguably not appropriate for foreign terrorists.

Closing GITMO without having an alternative available will likely prove to be as foolish as it was politically motivated.

Fern
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Fern
We don't know that he was waterboarded.

Nope, what this illustrates is that US civilian courts, and rules, are arguably not appropriate for foreign terrorists.

Closing GITMO without having an alternative available will likely prove to be as foolish as it was politically motivated.

Fern

How does this illustrate that in any even remotely conceivable way?
 

boomerang

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I'll venture a guess that he's even more intent on killing the blue eyed devils now.

We can only hope the Obama administration wakes up and realizes giving terrorists a big hug and a sincere handshake isn't going to get the job done.
 

Kadarin

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There's no such thing as a "moderate Taliban". The entire idea (and those who follow it) deserve extermination, and no less.
 

halik

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Isn't the afghani gov't supposed to keep track of them?

But more to the core of the thing,
How many convicted murders kill again after release? Should we just lock up everyone infinitely in fear of repeat crimes?
How do you balance the innocent people in Gitmo as opposed to the real terrorist?

Good thing is we've already answered these questions as a society and have a system to deal with this. It's better to let some criminals go than to imprison the innocent (thus the "innocent till proven guilty" principle).
 

WHAMPOM

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AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oh, come on. We all know he was a charity worker before he went to gitmo. :laugh:


Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??

So predictable. So, so predictable.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oh, come on. We all know he was a charity worker before he went to gitmo. :laugh:


Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??

So predictable. So, so predictable.

I'm not sure if you are noticing the irony in your post.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??


Gitmo is perfectly successful. Nobody locked in Gitmo is killing anybody; its the people let out that are the problem.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oh, come on. We all know he was a charity worker before he went to gitmo. :laugh:


Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??

So predictable. So, so predictable.

I'm not sure if you are noticing the irony in your post.

That I was making fun of the bleeding-heart "Oh, everyone we captured in Afghanistan was innocent before gitmo" auto-bot response, and then someone actually said it?

Irony not found.
 

jpeyton

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So we're basically holding people who've done nothing, and freeing the guys who pose a threat to us?

More clear evidence of US military/intelligence incompetence.
 

DaveSimmons

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Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007.

Nice work, Bush.

( "uh muh buh buh buh but Bush! counter: 112" +1 ? )

It's a good thing Obama's plans aren't to release all prisoners and hand them each a loaded AK-47, that would definitely be a mistake.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007.

Nice catch. Maybe someday winnar will learn to read before he copies to paste!
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
There's no such thing as a "moderate Taliban". The entire idea (and those who follow it) deserve extermination, and no less.

Wow, generalize much? :disgust:
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??


Gitmo is perfectly successful. Nobody locked in Gitmo is killing anybody; its the people let out that are the problem.

Something like 90% of people let go from Gitmo have *not* done anything.

So are you saying we should keep them all locked up, even knowing that 90% didn't/haven't/aren't doing anything to the US?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Oh, come on. We all know he was a charity worker before he went to gitmo. :laugh:


Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??

So predictable. So, so predictable.

I'm not sure if you are noticing the irony in your post.

That I was making fun of the bleeding-heart "Oh, everyone we captured in Afghanistan was innocent before gitmo" auto-bot response, and then someone actually said it?

Irony not found.

i don't think that anyone has ever said that. Nice straw man though.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
AW!! Another graduate from the G.W. Terrorist Recruitment & Training Center.
Whinna!!! Can you give a few more examples of Gitmo's successes??


Gitmo is perfectly successful. Nobody locked in Gitmo is killing anybody; its the people let out that are the problem.

and if it does so illegally, you don't see the problem?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Fern

We don't know that he was waterboarded.

Nope, what this illustrates is that US civilian courts, and rules, are arguably not appropriate for foreign terrorists.

Closing GITMO without having an alternative available will likely prove to be as foolish as it was politically motivated.

Fern

I'm not too concerned that loozar111 is so oblivious to the our Constitution and our system of justice, as well as international laws against the crimes committed by the Bushwhackos at Gitmo. He's already brain dead.

The fact that you are equally unsupportive of our Constitution and U.S. and international law is disturbing and frankly, disappointing.
 

OrByte

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It is unfortunate that while this person was in prison that the US government couldn't find a way to try and convict him of crimes.

The Gitmo prison was a legal farce of the highest degree....people that deserved to be tried and convicted were not.

Thank goodness we have an administration now that is taking its legal responsibilities seriously.