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As a temporary New England-er, I have to say I'm enjoying watching the Sox crumble way more than I should.
- Nov 19, 2001
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- Nov 19, 2001
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You make it sound like the Red Sox don't have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball at $120 million :roll:
-Tom
- Nov 19, 2001
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BS, the Yankees solved injury problems with Cano, Melky Cabrerra and Wang. That kept them afloat for months and tit-for-tat with the Sox. Then they traded for Abreu.
You sound very bitter at this moment and I can understand that. I am not criticizing you but just saying that the Yankees simply beat up the Red Sox for the past few games. The Sox may still come back since they are that good. You cannot really make the claim that the Red Sox have little money as they spend more than anyone else in the league besides the Yankees. They should have made more moves and done some other things.
As for little heart, I would not say that about the Yankees. When they were down 5-3, they showed plenty of heart by making it 5-4 and then Jeter driving in the tieing run. Then Giambi stepped up to the plate and delivered. Then Cano hit a double and Posada hit a homer. That is heart and clutch hitting.
ProfJohn
Lifer
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Ok... by saying "little" I was making a point that the Red Sox are not driven to sucess by spending in the way the Yankees are.
Yankees salary at start of year 194 million
Red Sox at start of year 120 million.
A 74 million difference, that amount of money would pay for 16 major league teams entire salary.
Now look at their additions since their injury problems, Abreu and Lidle for a bunch of minor leagers.
Abreu=13 million a year.
Lilde= 3 million, cheap.
That is still another 16 million on top of the 194 million they have already spent, now they are over 200 million.
My point is that the Yankees go out and spend spend spend when they have a problem, most teams have to find other ways or just make due.
Yankees salary at start of year 194 million
Red Sox at start of year 120 million.
A 74 million difference, that amount of money would pay for 16 major league teams entire salary.
Now look at their additions since their injury problems, Abreu and Lidle for a bunch of minor leagers.
Abreu=13 million a year.
Lilde= 3 million, cheap.
That is still another 16 million on top of the 194 million they have already spent, now they are over 200 million.
My point is that the Yankees go out and spend spend spend when they have a problem, most teams have to find other ways or just make due.
- Nov 19, 2001
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Abreu and Lidle did not get them where they are now. Cano, Cabrera and Wang did. Homegrown talent. Abreu is helping them stay there.
It doesn't matter. I can understand Boston Red Sox fans bringing up the payrolls after they have been beaten 4 straight. But, would they bring up the payroll if they won 4 straight? You have to look at it from all sides. The Yankees simply performed better over the past few games. Their management is willing to spend the money and I have no problems with that.
If there is anyone to blame, blame the system. The system is letting this go by.
wait.. so you're saying the yankees shouldnt spend? why not? they have the money. its their fvcking money and georgie boy can spend it however he wants..
ProfJohn
Lifer
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I was mainly hitting on the idea expressed on sports radio (ESPN) that the Yankees are a bunch of hired hitters, while the Red Sox are a "team"
Sure the Yankees want to win and they have some heart, but they are not really a "team" in the sense that the Tigers are this year or White Sox were last year or Marlin before that. These other teams work work work for the chance to get a title, while the boss just spends money to try and buy a title.
I think Baseball does need a salary cap, both top and bottom, to make it more even.
Yes the 120 million the Red Sox spends isn't chicken scratch, but it is still 70 million less than Yankees. Who is 70 million less than the Red Sox? 5 teams, Royals, Pirates, Rockies, Devil Rays and Marlins.
You should look at the roster and take into account the salaries of the Yankees' homegrown talent in the total payroll. Off the top of my head, the following current Yankees came up through the Yankee farm system: Jeter, Bernie, Rivera, Cabrera, Cano.
Jeter alone makes huge money, so you can't really count him as being bought. I would imagine Rivera and Bernie make some decent money as well. They've done well for a long time with a lot of homegrown talent. Though admittedly, in recent years they've traded much of their younger players away to take on big name stars with heavy contracts. But to claim that all the Yanks do is spend money to fix things is ridiculous. And if you want to talk about fixing a problem by spending, why don't we talk about that World Series champion Red Sox team?
-Tom
EDIT: I think Posada may have come up through the Yanks system as well.
ProfJohn
Lifer
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My original point was that the Yankees can spend their way out of trouble (injuries) while most teams can not do that. Most teams who have the injury problems the Yankees did would have to limp through or trade players for replacements, the Yankees can just go out and "buy" the talent to compete.
I don't blame the Boss for doing what he is doing, he is working within the system, it is just a shame the system is the way it is.
Of course all this money hasn't won him a world series since when?
I understand, but I would add that Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Cano, Matsui, B. Williams, Melky Cabrerra, Nick Green are from within the Yankee organization and they have contributed a lot this season. I do not understand when you say they are not a team like the others. They work well with each other, they try to pass down information to each other and help each other out. I think they are a team. Keep in mind that money does not buy you a title. Ask that to the Mets, Dodgers, Orioles etc. Yankees have spent wisely than the others. But they have not won in the past 6 years so you can't really say that they win by simply getting the best player.
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