Apathy? Why because the Red Sox were swept by the amazing Royals and are on the verge of being swept by the Yankees?
I hate you fairweather Red Sox fans, always on top of your stuff when the Red Sox are winning but playing the apathy card when you guys, straight out blow.
SP33Demon
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No, the fact that both teams have the highest payrolls in baseball yet neither have a pitcher worth a dam except Schilling/Pap and Moose/Rivera. The fact that both teams can cherry pick the best players in baseball when others have to "dump salary". To reiterate, baseball is broken and that's why even diehards such as myself could give 2 shts right now. Have a nice day.
you retards arguing the whole salary thing. The yankees have the biggest market in the game. If they didnt pay there players higher salaries everyone would be up in arms at the amount of profit steinbrener was taking in. dont bee silly A-rod is a clear example that money doesnt buy performance. It can by you a good player but at the end of the day the player sstill needs to perform.
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There's been much worse happen to the Sox than losing 4 straight to a better team (like losing 5 straight to Tampa Bay and KC, including that awesome KC sweep). Hell, I'll take even a 5 game regular-season sweep to the Yankees vs. losing 4 straight in the ALCS (d'oh).
It's been really tough for the Sox since they blew their last game before the All-Star break, but there's 5 weeks of baseball left. The Sox greatly overacheived to get to this point, now let's see if they can stop underacheiving and play some better ball. If not, well then they know what the problem is and hopefully they'll try fixing it in the off-season (PITCHING!).
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Yeah, I did overstate it somewhat. That tends to happen when attempting to reason with Sp33d.
Obviously I was referring to the Boston Massacre.That said, I disagree that they overachieved at all, they have an excellent team. Their bullpen is the reason they are losing now. The Yankee bullpen is not that great either, but Proctor and Vallone have stepped up their game.
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Can we freakin stop this petty arguing? Gees, I mean when the yankees were losing Presence was bitching and moaning and vice versa with Sp33d. It will be up and down forever for the rest of our lives. Yankees sweep the the sox big deal, sox sweep the yanks big deal. Yankees have 26 world championsips, and the greatest choke in sports HISTORY, red sox will always play second fiddle and once that new stadium for the yankees gets built more bitching from us red sox fans. Everyone gets so worked up over a great rivalry. Lets just sit back and watch, hell THIS is baseball. We will never forget how that 2004 team won, IMO that will never happen again under those circumstances.
BIGGEST reason for the sox not winning? TEK - Mirabelli cant call a game if his life depended on it. This season will ride on Tek coming back and our bullpen.
BIGGEST reason for the sox not winning? TEK - Mirabelli cant call a game if his life depended on it. This season will ride on Tek coming back and our bullpen.
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Oh, there's no doubt we have a good team, we've just been so devestated by injuries and have had to rely on our young guys too much (hmm...sounds familiar, eh?). We've tried to surround Papi and Manny with a team built on pitching and defense. Well, the defense has been insane (I can't get explain how awesome of a feeling it is to KNOW that any ground balls hit to the left side of the infield are going to be outs), but our pitching is just plain awful. Outside of Paps (who's still just a kid and has shown signs of wear and mortality), the staff has been wildly inconsistent. Some gaudy numbers (wins by both Schilling and Beckett), but if you really pay attention they're a farce. Beckett gives up more homers than any team's BP coach, and Schilling can't get any run support. Fortunately, there's no better teacher to have on the team than a player like Schilling. I love Becket and the rest of our young guys, it's just going to take some time. Man, the potential our '08-'09 teams have is really, really scary.
Most Sox fans don't want to admit it, but we've been rebuilding ever since the last out of the '04 Series. Duquette got us on the right track; Theo, Henry and Co. put us over the top. It's always a work in progress, and the front office has a lot of work to do. Patience is key! Unfortunatley, a lot of sports fans lack that virtue.
Most Sox fans don't want to admit it, but we've been rebuilding ever since the last out of the '04 Series. Duquette got us on the right track; Theo, Henry and Co. put us over the top. It's always a work in progress, and the front office has a lot of work to do. Patience is key! Unfortunatley, a lot of sports fans lack that virtue.
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Lidle is looking pretty good today.
If I was a Boston fan I would be nervous, manny left the game with a strained hamstring.
If I was a Boston fan I would be nervous, manny left the game with a strained hamstring.
Yeah, 25 hr, 86 RBI isn't performing :disgust: What amazes me is that the Yankees are paying 800 million to build their stadium. Thats crazy and most teams would never pay ~90% of the stadium costs. The current game looks like its gonna be a close one. Boomer was always my favorite pitcher and he's pitching really well right now.
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Boston going w/out an error was MF-Insane because the team that won in 04 was a bunch of error prone guys and they still have Manny (who gets a bad rap as error prone). Although most of the original starters are gone or not playing (Mueller, OCab, Bellhorn, Trot, Damon) nobody expected them to play such sparkling D.Originally posted by: ThePresence
Interesting. Here's a comment of yours from June 30th of this season:
The timing of the apathy attack is mighty curious to say the least.
Abreau going to NY was the last straw for me, especially since Philly is in the thick of the wildcard race and they are my fav National League team. And especially since Philly didn't get jack sht back for him either except the "dumping salary" solution. I'm pretty sure someone from the Phillies was paid off during that deal, it was way too shady (I'm really surprised UTLEY wasn't included in the deal either). Fix baseball and then I'll care again.
SP33Demon
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I agree with most of what you said but the Arroyo deal was stupid then, and it's stupid now. I can't see how that has anything to do with Theo "rebuilding", Arroyo was a key component (bullpen AND starter) to the championship team and they get a guy in Pena who hammers shtty pitching but is a strikeout machine in the playoffs (vs good pitching). Also, Timlin is now showing his age and they don't have a solid replacement, and signing Boomer also has nothing to do with rebuilding. I'm not following your rebuilding argument here.
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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Boston going w/out an error was MF-Insane because the team that won in 04 was a bunch of error prone guys and they still have Manny (who gets a bad rap as error prone). Although most of the original starters are gone or not playing (Mueller, OCab, Bellhorn, Trot, Damon) nobody expected them to play such sparkling D.Originally posted by: ThePresence
Interesting. Here's a comment of yours from June 30th of this season:
The timing of the apathy attack is mighty curious to say the least.
Abreau going to NY was the last straw for me, especially since Philly is in the thick of the wildcard race and they are my fav National League team. And especially since Philly didn't get jack sht back for him either except the "dumping salary" solution. I'm pretty sure someone from the Phillies was paid off during that deal, it was way too shady (I'm really surprised UTLEY wasn't included in the deal either). Fix baseball and then I'll care again.
How was it shady? No one wanted to give up quality players for Abreu while taking back such a huge salary. When it came down to it, the Phillies wanted to dump his contract and took what they could from the only team that would take him.
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That's a weird move by Torre to replace Green with Jeter and lose the DH. It's only a 2-1 game, Green is not exactly a defensive liability and Farnsworth is certainly capable of giving up a long ball and having the game tied. I disagree with it.
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I'm not sure of the rules of the AL. If the DH goes out to play the field, what happens then? For example, in this game, Jeter came out to play SS for Green. Can you put another DH in Green's spot in the lineup or does the pitcher HAVE to take that spot?
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