Agreed..but no one buys a console for "performance" upgradeability. And like someone else said, sure you can upgrade your PC with a new graphics card or cpu, but then you are spending most likely at least $300, the price of the console. I thin there is a place for both..and there will always be a place for both. One will not kill the other, because PCs will always be necessary, therefor PC gaming will always exist.
Anyway..I don't see while you'd laugh at spending that much just to upgrade your computer..I just don't get it. If anything you'd feel sort of sad, at having to spend that much.
RussianSensation
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So why not get a next-generation console, enjoy its games throughout its lifecycle and drop money on a new videocard and cpu in 2 years anyways? It's not like $300 is a lot to spend on a console when a stupid X850xt pe videocard is $500 and its about as impressive as a geforce 1 compared to xbox 360. imagine what ps3 and nintendo will bring 1 year from now? There has never been a time when a console was so much more powerful. Even when xbox came out, its gpu was barely faster and its cpu was tons slower than fastest pc had to offer. Within months geforce 4 trumped it. I am sure that if you combine 1080i gaming on a nice 48 inch HDTV and a good sound system, it'll be hard to touch the new consoles for a while. But the argument could be made that the cost of such a setup is like $10,000+....
StrangerGuy
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The Xbox 360 @ $300 is a far better deal than a full PC @ $1000 for gaming, and you can play it right out of the box and also don't have to worry about the Xbox becoming obselete either.
I don't really care how powerful the specs are, but it is reasonable to assume the Xbox 360 games will look better than the current xbox games.
I don't really care how powerful the specs are, but it is reasonable to assume the Xbox 360 games will look better than the current xbox games.
Almost agreed. Most of the games showed look like they're completely capable on this generation of consoles. Complete bull crap. However, several of EA's games looked obviously better than current-gen games, as much as I hate to say it. Here's to hoping the Unreal 3 engine is actually taken advantage of as everyone and their brother develops on it.
I agree with the man that says Nintendo makes/has the only worthwhile console games..other than the turn-based RPG's Sony has won over. The PC has nearly every good game the current Xbox has, but has done it better; this trend will continue and there is no means for it to change anytime soon. Sure the console may be a little more powerful in some terms, PC game companies will continue to make PC games and port them to the Xbox. They will not port games from the Xbox to the PC..unless it is something lame like GTA3....don't get me started on GTA....
The 360 CPU is water-cooled as well with two fans in the back. It's actual hardware. See for yourself at http://www.ourcolony.net. Watch the video.
Actually I heard there's gonna be an operating system for Xbox 360. And you can even pop windows from inside the games.
IBM has been producing 2,4, or 8 way (cores per die) CPU's for years, technicaly not PPC but POWER (similar). its called the power 4 been around since 02.
Actually those are "only" dual core, they just pack four of those CPU's on an MCM for a total of 8 cores.
And I guess the watercooling part answers my question as to how they're gonna cool this beast.
I wonder how that will work out for a console though, most people I know tend to move those things around a bit once in a while, wouldn't be too grand if that water started leaking...
Does anyone know how the IBM CPU in XBOX 360 compares with other CPUs, like Pentium or Athlon64?
The reason I ask is for that price it could make a nice entry level PC.
The reason I ask is for that price it could make a nice entry level PC.
I imagine it's much more powerful than either CPU...but at the same time, it would be much much harder to use as a PC than the original Xbox was - the Xbox had what was basically a Pentium 3 in it, but the Xbox360's CPU isn't even an x86 chip...
Edit: But yes, I agree with you kinda on the price thing...if they really do intend to pack all of those specs into a machine that will retail for only $300, I will literally be one of the first ones lined up to buy one on launch day. Such insane amounts of power, for less than I paid for my video card last summer...
"Bandwidth seems abi low @ 22gb/s as well..
Guess having no OS for overhead helps as well..."
That is not just video bandwith. That is entire system bandwith. Much greater than an Athlon 64 with dual channel's 6.4GB/s.
Guess having no OS for overhead helps as well..."
That is not just video bandwith. That is entire system bandwith. Much greater than an Athlon 64 with dual channel's 6.4GB/s.
Essentially the new CPU is very similar to PowerPC chip. Microsoft did have a version of Windows NT for PPC, if fact they must be using a modified version of that on the 360. Also there are many Linux distros for the PPC. I didn't bother with running Linux on the original XBOX but the XBOX 360 specs are very tempting...
True...I'll only be buying it for its gaming capabilities, but I'm sure the modding community will have their way with it too.
They will no doubt be losing quite a bit of money on the hardware...but I suppose it's worth it to them to try to gain a larger marketshare (and it seems to be working so far...).
That's good news for consumers though.
Hasn't that always been the case with these consoles? I thought both MS and Sony lost $$ on the hardware, but made it back on the software.
StrangerGuy
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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
They will no doubt be losing quite a bit of money on the hardware...but I suppose it's worth it to them to try to gain a larger marketshare (and it seems to be working so far...).
That's good news for consumers though.
That's true IMO but I'm afraid that may jack up the game prices quite a bit to like about US$60 to compensate for the loss.
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$60 for a game isn't too bad, IMHO, considering the XBL service will be free, at least the Silver package.
I'm betting they called it the Xbox 360 because it will run circles around the PS3/Sony?
I'm betting they called it the Xbox 360 because it will run circles around the PS3/Sony?
I'm sure they couldn't care less - this is Microsoft we're talking about, they have more money than most world governments. At one point they were worth more than RUSSIA. Hell, not to mention all their wholly owned subsidiaries whose coffers they could draw from.
I think it's hard for people to truly understand the financial juggernaught that this company is - it's the only reason they were able to compete with Sony in the first place - they literally have a bottomless money pit. Even EA looks tiny by comparison.
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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm
I swear I thought that said expensive when I first read it.
Do you have to be a complete ass in every post you make?
I swear I thought that said expensive when I first read it.
Do you have to be a complete ass in every post you make?
i think one has to have an hd tv to really experience the (power?) that the graphics processor in this console has. without an hdtv, it'd essentially be like running doom 3 on 640x480 on a 6800 ultra...
and it looks like a lot of expensive stuff in the system for it to be 300$... if i'm not mistaken the last xbox was behind pcs technology wise when it was released, and it costed 300$.
and it looks like a lot of expensive stuff in the system for it to be 300$... if i'm not mistaken the last xbox was behind pcs technology wise when it was released, and it costed 300$.
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