**OFFICIAL** X2 (x-men) Thread (spoilers inside)

[Ranger X]

Came back from watching the movie. It was awesome!! I've been reading some Q&As throughout this thread and it answered a lot of questions that I had coming out of the theater.

Btw, Jason is Duditz from Dreamcatcher (LOL). Is that guy typecasted into such roles?

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
Came back from watching the movie. It was awesome!! I've been reading some Q&As throughout this thread and it answered a lot of questions that I had coming out of the theater.

Btw, Jason is Duditz from Dreamcatcher (LOL). Is that guy typecasted into such roles?

know, I thought I saw him from somewhere... Wasn't he also that loser kid from Road Trip as well?

 

[KevinH]

2) Correct me if i'm wrong, but since when could xavier stop time? I don't seem to recall that power. Though I believe Legion did do some mumbo jumbo with time travel so it SEEMS conceivable...

Well, after reading comics for 15 years...writers have always taken liberties with what a power is capable of. Personally I explained it to myself that he didn't stop time but was able to slow everyone's mind down to the effect that those under his influence have "time stopped". Considering the fact that he's the most powerful (or one of) psychics in existence, I don't think this is inconceivable at all.

 

[LakerGod]

Good God Damn Kelly Hu is HOT.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Tyler
I've got a few things to add:

I've never read any X-men comics or watched the cartoon.

I thought the movie was really good.

Now... You guys are getting WAY too nitpicky. Nightcrawler isn't furry... so what? Wolverine is too tall... so what? You're getting into all these little details that don't matter. Also, about the storyline not being exactly the same: Of course it's not the same, they can't do a storyline going back to the 60s in three movies, they're adapting it it to cinema, piucking the parts they want to keep, leaving out the stuff they don't, and adding new stuff where they want to. It's based on the comic books, it is not, however, the next comic book in the series. It was a good movie and you guys are overanalyzing the thing.

they don't matter to YOU.

have some perspective. you're not God youknow.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
bah, i don't think they can bring deathstrike back.... its solidified now =( since she has healing powers, that must be some kinda torture.
too bad, she looked damned hot in her outfit.

i hope they use the kids' powers more in the next movie (rogue, jubilee, syren, iceman, collosus, pyro, etc.)

also, anyone know who that kid with the glasses changing channels was supposed to be?

The kid with the glasses changing the channels was supposed to be Artie if I recall correctly. In the comics, he was rescued from the Morlock tunnels when there was a group of mutants down there exterminating all of the Morlocks. Artie and Leech were rescued as a pair if I am remembering it right, although Artie was a mute that could only project his thoughts as images, and had a large head and white eyes with no irises or pupils. Leech was greenish coloured, had large mono-coloured eyes and absorbed people's powers rather like Rogue does. I know I have the comic book rendition of Artie down, I am just not remembering which kid in the movie was Artie, and the online pictures of the actors I am finding are not much help. I will have to see the movie again, as well as dig out the comic books.

I also seem to recall that Logan/Wolverine was married to Yuriko Oyama (The "female Wolverine" as some of you call her) at one point, correct?

For any doubting that Jean Grey became the Phoenix at the end, during the end credits they credit the team that did the "Nightcrawler and Phoenix Effects."

 

[LeeTJ]

Ok

a few more observations about this movie.

Wolverine was too refined. i always pictured wolverine to be a short, swarthy, redneck, lumberjack, gruff voice, SOB. The guy that played him was too much a pretty boy with pretty boy speech and manners.

No, he wasn't wolverine.

Cyclops, comon, he had almost NO ROLE in that movie. Cyclops is USUALLY at the center of anything that happens in XMen. he is the captain america of the XMan Universe. He should have had more of a role.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Ok

a few more observations about this movie.

Wolverine was too refined. i always pictured wolverine to be a short, swarthy, redneck, lumberjack, gruff voice, SOB. The guy that played him was too much a pretty boy with pretty boy speech and manners.

No, he wasn't wolverine.

Cyclops, comon, he had almost NO ROLE in that movie. Cyclops is USUALLY at the center of anything that happens in XMen. he is the captain america of the XMan Universe. He should have had more of a role.

I'm afraid I have to beg to differ here. As an X-Men fan I think they did a great job of briding the gap between making a movie with mass market appeal and one that would satisfy "most" comic fans.

That said, the decisions they made were spot on. Ask any non-die hard X-men fan who their favorite character is and more often than naught you'll hear Wolvie. That being the case, Wolverine was a natural as the focus of the movies and they need to portray him in a leading man kind of light. I'm sorry, but any movie that would focus on Cyclops would be a snooze fest...the guy's a bore...even in the comic. The only other character I would've loved to have seen them focus the movie on would have been Gambit. However, Gambit's only been around for a decade or so and doesn't go back for enough to garner a "central role" (or in this case a role at all).

What can I say, I thought the movie was great .

 

[ShotgunSteven]

For those going off about the Professor "freezing time," I think he was just freezing everyone in the area in place, telepathically. Basically shutting down their brains. In the comic book, Kurt was rescued from a rooftop of a house in Germany that the villagers were trying to burn down after chasing him there. Professor X froze everyone in place (much as in the movie) when he did that.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
For those going off about the Professor "freezing time," I think he was just freezing everyone in the area in place, telepathically. Basically shutting down their brains. In the comic book, Kurt was rescued from a rooftop of a house in Germany that the villagers were trying to burn down after chasing him there. Professor X froze everyone in place (much as in the movie) when he did that.

Hey dude, you and me think alike . That was how I interpreted it a few posts up .

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Ok

a few more observations about this movie.

Wolverine was too refined. i always pictured wolverine to be a short, swarthy, redneck, lumberjack, gruff voice, SOB. The guy that played him was too much a pretty boy with pretty boy speech and manners.

No, he wasn't wolverine.

Cyclops, comon, he had almost NO ROLE in that movie. Cyclops is USUALLY at the center of anything that happens in XMen. he is the captain america of the XMan Universe. He should have had more of a role.

Man am I the only one who thought Hugh Jackman did an awesome job as Wolverine? Personally if they would've cast a 5' 3" guy as Wolverine he would NOT be as cool, not nearly as cool.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
For those going off about the Professor "freezing time," I think he was just freezing everyone in the area in place, telepathically. Basically shutting down their brains. In the comic book, Kurt was rescued from a rooftop of a house in Germany that the villagers were trying to burn down after chasing him there. Professor X froze everyone in place (much as in the movie) when he did that.

Hey dude, you and me think alike . That was how I interpreted it a few posts up .

I really need to dig out the comic book, but I remember Kurt asking the Professor what he did to the people, and that pretty much summed up the explanation from what I can recall.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Ok

a few more observations about this movie.

Wolverine was too refined. i always pictured wolverine to be a short, swarthy, redneck, lumberjack, gruff voice, SOB. The guy that played him was too much a pretty boy with pretty boy speech and manners.

No, he wasn't wolverine.

Cyclops, comon, he had almost NO ROLE in that movie. Cyclops is USUALLY at the center of anything that happens in XMen. he is the captain america of the XMan Universe. He should have had more of a role.

Man am I the only one who thought Hugh Jackman did an awesome job as Wolverine? Personally if they would've cast a 5' 3" guy as Wolverine he would NOT be as cool, not nearly as cool.

I thought he was perfect for the role.

 

[Spac3d]

Why didn't storm do something to save the Blackbird at the end of the movie? She does control the elements ... it is water that is danger to them, doesn't it seem natural and logical for her to take charge? Instead she is trying to get the jet working again.

Maybe she could have frozen all of the water, or she could have created a tornado to pick the ship up above water, or she could have forced the water back to the otherside of the dam...

 

[KhoiFather]

This movie was macknificient! I really hope they bring in Archangel, Gambit, Beast, Shoot I forgot, there was a guy that can also change into another person's body like Mystique can, oh yeah that's right, his name is Morph and definitely Apocalypse. Man, that would blow X-Men 1 and 2 away.

I don't get it, I know for a fact that Lady Death Strike and Wolverine were in love before, and that she turned into Lady Death Strike when Wolverine went away. That kind of upset me because of that. Oh well, what can I say, the movie was still awesome.

 

[BaDaBooM]

Originally posted by: hdeck
just watched ebert and roeper(sp) talk about the movie. both gave it thumbs up but said there were too many character. ebert even said the story didn't make sense (????). i agreed with them on some things, but i guess you can only appreciate the film if you know *some* background on the comic.

I'd expect that from "experts" that don't know anything about the X-men. Don't worry, I'm not one of those fanatics about X-men, but I just find that movie reviewers tell me nothing about any movie other than a synopsis. They don't appreciate the same things I do so why should I care what they think?

 

[BaDaBooM]

Originally posted by: KhoiFather
This movie was macknificient! I really hope they bring in Archangel, Gambit, Beast, Shoot I forgot, there was a guy that can also change into another person's body like Mystique can, oh yeah that's right, his name is Morph and definitely Apocalypse. Man, that would blow X-Men 1 and 2 away.

I don't get it, I know for a fact that Lady Death Strike and Wolverine were in love before, and that she turned into Lady Death Strike when Wolverine went away. That kind of upset me because of that. Oh well, what can I say, the movie was still awesome.

Hmm... Apocalypse might be kind of hard to explain. I really wish they would do juggernaut... that guy could do some damage. Either way they definately need a different mutant villian involved besides magneto.

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: RgrPark

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Wow wow wow. Some questions and comments.

4. Who was that screaming girl at the school? Related to Havok?

6. When Professor X says "everything will be alright" did he mean that Jean Grey is alive or that the President was helping them out and the world (bigger picture) is going to be alright?

8. Why is Pyro a good guy?

11. I hate that they are bringing Phoenix in. When Phoenix arrives in the comic books, isn't it when there is that cheesy alien race? In the comics when Jean dies it's while saving the ship too right?

4. As others have said, the screaming girl is Siryn.

6. IMO, I think Professor X realizes that Jean's spirit is not dead and has been "reborn" in Phoenix when he says "everything will be alright" at the end of the movie. If I remember correctly, Phoenix IS NOT Jean Grey, however, she is basically a Jean Grey clone that has Jean's memories/personality and telepathic abilities. So he probably feels the presence of Phoenix and knows that while her body may be gone, her spirit is not and will return (in the next movie of course).

8. He's not. He was sent to Professor X's school, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is a good guy. Pyro was already established as a rebel and a loose cannon (cafeteria scene and scene at Iceman's house) and remember that Magneto told Pyro that he was "a god among insects" when they were sitting in the ship in an attempt to appeal to his rebellious attitude. So you could imagine that he would likely not stay with Professor X.

11. Yea, Jean dies while saving the ship in the comics as well, but after she dies, the Phoenix Force creates what is effectively a Jean Grey clone. Jean's spirit stays alive within Phoenix and since Jean is now dead in the movie, I think they kind of have to introduce Phoenix.

With that said, this was a kickass movie. Nightcrawler was AWESOME and I cannot wait to see Gambit, Beast, and Phoenix in the next one. It will be interesting to see how big of roles Colossus and Shadowcat will have in the next movie as well. I hope the 3rd movie is announced sometime soon.

-Tom

No, Jean Grey does not die while saving the ship in the comics... she actually lives and is in a coma-like state under the ocean for years (while the phoenix lives out her life in the real world)...until the Avengers accidentally find her and bring her back. Hence, she is alive and well in the comic book world. X-Factor started when she came back...

Ah, yes. I knew I was forgetting something about the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing.

-Tom

 

[m2kewl]

saw it last night, much better then the first one

 

[NFS4]

I think that some of you guys need to lay of the crack and stop taking things so seriously about this movie!!! You guys are pickier than my professor ripping apart my paper on Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.

I know a great deal about X-Men, I have tons of the comics, and I know the backstory of the characters. I went to the movie for enjoyment, not to nitpick it to hell. Sure, there are some inconsistencies here and there, but liberties HAVE to be taken considering that this is a real life movie and not some comic book drawings.

That being said, it was much better than the first.

 

[StormRider]

I loved this movie. I will probably go back and see it again next weekend. The X-Men were one of my favorite comics and it's just so exciting see all my favorite characters come alive on the big screen. When Colossus turned into metal, I actually saw one girl in the 2 seats in front of me go ga-ga! I guess she was a big fan too.

Some random thoughts:

I can't believe I missed the Hank McCoy cameo. Have to watch for it when I see the movie again.

Kelly Hu and Rebbeca are so hot hot hot!!!

I thought they brought the Phoenix storyline a little too soon.

Wolvie is too tall (compared to the comics version) but I think Hugh Jackman is perfect. If they had cast a really short stocky guy as Wolvie, it just wouldn't look as cool. Things that work in the comics don't necessarily work in the movies.

NightCrawler was cool. But I really hope to see more of Colossus and Shadowcat. When I was reading the comics I had a big crush on Kitty Pryde (and judging by the comic fan mail I remember I wasn't alone).

Oh yeah, Kelly Hu and Rebbeca are hot hot hot!!!!

 

[sygyzy]

For all those who are complaining about some members being nitpicky, give me a break. So far I think the only two things anyone's really had an issue with are the Phoenix introduction and possibly Logan's height. Even then they are passing comments to the extent of agreeing.

You should see the LOTR people complain.

And NFS - I see you post car threads all the time debating how this one has x HP at the wheel and that one has a larger turbo. Why don't people just enjoy the movie? Why don't you just drive the car. Stop being so nitpicky.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Oh yeah, Kelly Hu and Rebbeca are hot hot hot!!!!

oh yes they are!

 

[NFS4]

And NFS - I see you post car threads all the time debating how this one has x HP at the wheel and that one has a larger turbo. Why don't people just enjoy the movie? Why don't you just drive the car. Stop being so nitpicky.

Cars = real life
Movie/Comics = fantasy



BTW, am I the only one that find Rogue (Anna Paquin) EXTREMELY cute?

 

[Zee]

Colossus is the SHIZNIT!

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