KMFJD
Lifer
Did you see how much time Stafford was getting in the pocket? The offense has definitely regressed with Lombardi as o-coordinator , but that o-line is shredded to pieces.I also think that Linehan is a good co-ordinator.
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Did you see how much time Stafford was getting in the pocket? The offense has definitely regressed with Lombardi as o-coordinator , but that o-line is shredded to pieces.I also think that Linehan is a good co-ordinator.
Of course, and I do realize that, but you have to do something...you're not making the playoffs by simply "taking the points" on 4th and 2 on your opponents 2 yardline when you cannot protect enough to get to Calvin or Tate.
It doesn't help that Eric flipping E-bum cannot catch a wide-open pass, or get his head around to a thrown ball, or CJ dropping TD passes that are in his hands.
We had 6 drops yesterday...that's on the WRs.
Depends on ball placement. I didn't watch the Lions game much this week, but Stafford hasn't looked accurate.
Yes, all three did. And the same one, too. Me. Did you know that the term gridiron was originally coined to describe my dong? Same with the phrase, "Go long."
Another fun fact is that the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders are housed in olds' basement. But then, so is Jon Gruden. So, on balance, you really don't want to end up there.
Answers like mine are what you deserve when you post in a football thread with questions like yours.
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Jimzz
Diamond Member
As a falcons fan I see some of the same traits in RG3 I saw when Vick first hit the league. A lot of talent but not enough practice, confidence, and study to make it work on the field.
Look at Luck. He has given up a pile of INTs, 76Qb rating, and some soft play his first year. But he learned from those mistakes and built off them and got in the upper 80's QB rating and less INTs his 2nd year. His 3rd year all his stats are up across the board and his play is very solid, that of a senior player not 3rd year. Basically he has learned as he goes and studies harder to get better when he did make mistakes.
RG3 is trying to play without the mistakes but has been off the field to much to learn how to do so. You see a shine of his talent come in from time to time but many other times he under throws, over throws, or just miss's obvious people. Things he should have learned in year 1 and 2. I still see him stair down receivers and this is his 3rd year. That's something that should have been cut his rookie year, not year 3.
Look at Luck. He has given up a pile of INTs, 76Qb rating, and some soft play his first year. But he learned from those mistakes and built off them and got in the upper 80's QB rating and less INTs his 2nd year. His 3rd year all his stats are up across the board and his play is very solid, that of a senior player not 3rd year. Basically he has learned as he goes and studies harder to get better when he did make mistakes.
RG3 is trying to play without the mistakes but has been off the field to much to learn how to do so. You see a shine of his talent come in from time to time but many other times he under throws, over throws, or just miss's obvious people. Things he should have learned in year 1 and 2. I still see him stair down receivers and this is his 3rd year. That's something that should have been cut his rookie year, not year 3.
SSSnail
Lifer
So no offensive holding by the left tackle, ever? OK. Maybe I was watching the wrong game.
Good points.
I didn't see it, the announcers didn't see it, the ref's didn't see it, perhaps your definition of holding is not what the league considers holding?.
smackababy
Lifer
To be fair, I'm sure there was holding on nearly every play for both teams. It happens. Refs really only call egregious holding, which I didn't see much of (if any). Snail is just upset Alex Smith doesn't get 7+ second in the pocket. Even if he did, he wouldn't be half the man Romo is anyway.
I'm not so sure about that. After all, Manning was the No.1 overall pick of the entire draft, you know, before he ever accomplished anything in the NFL.
And, as the son of former NFL QB Archie Manning, he was about as high profile a "celeb" as any player entering the NFL, ever.
smackababy
Lifer
And, he went before Ryan Leaf, so he had to have some kind of celeb status! Plus, Charles Woodson and Randy Moss.
purbeast0
No Lifer
i don't remember, but was manning doing papa johns or nationwide commercials before he ever stepped foot on an nfl field? because i know rg3 was doing subway and gatorade commercials before he ever stepped foot on a field.
KMFJD
Lifer
I'd say at least 4 of his INT's this year have been passes that bounced of our receivers hands
I really hate how those get credited to a QB, but the question is if the ball was actually catchable or not IMO.
Well, if you measure celebrity status solely by marketing endorsements, then, point taken. But Peyton Manning was as high profile a celebrity before he ever stepped foot on an NFL field as anyone ever has been, imho. As far as marketing endorsements go, the marketing hype machine has definitely accelerated in the 16 years since Manning was a rookie, so it may not be a true apples to apples comparison on that point.
However, your underlying point about the pre-career hype for RG3 is well taken. For Sanchez, there is perhaps a weaker case.
smackababy
Lifer
The marketing hype was even stronger in those days, if you ask me. Look at how shoes were modeled and sold. There were tons of signature, named shoes athletes were getting (Jordan being the first non Tennis player in 1985 to get a deal like that). Hell, Bo Jackson had his own signature shoe and an iconic marketing campaign. He didn't even play a full NFL season. Today, very few athletes get their name on a shoe. They might have signature models, but they certainly are not named after them. Lebron's first shoe wasn't even called the "Lebron", as Nike was worried that it wouldn't sell. Named shoes were losing popularity by then, after being flooded with every big guy getting his own shoe.
They hype machine in 1998 was there. Manning just wasn't a huge high profile guy though. He wasn't flashy off the field and he didn't make headlines outside his play. Look at the publicity Randy Moss got the same few years before. Everyone was already considering him the next Jerry Rice and Marshall wasn't even a D1 school (they did move up to D1 his second season there and he still dominated, though).
SSSnail
Lifer
dainthomas
Lifer
That game on Thanksgiving is the key. If they convincingly beat SF on the road it looks good for finally turning things around.
lupi
Lifer
not sure whats wrong with the niners, but looks like their championship game run is over. redskins for about the first time this year hit the running game hard, so much that you could almost tell they were hiding the QB, and the niners couldn't stop it and just pulled off a win in the final minutes.
giants probably played about as good as they could with what they had on the rosters, but maybe this will finally be a special year for the girls.
ryan mallet era is over, the harvard rifle back at starter for the rest of the season. can't wait to see more of the post game coach blow up pressers.
lions were lucky to win many of the games they were, D has carried them well but unless they get a health magatron and bush on the field it's looking like first round exit at best.
so, how about that denver pick to repeat to the superbowl. a team that is 2-1 against the NFC east and those two wins need end of fourth quarter defensive magic to win. think they need to talk to more people than a score board operator.
if the sanchize can limit his mistakes, iggles may have a decent chance to make it to the championship round. not sure if the team overall is good enough to make it push through to the superbowl though.
think the line to slurp off the rogers trough should slow down abit, will winning they can only manage a 3 pointer against minnesota.
giants probably played about as good as they could with what they had on the rosters, but maybe this will finally be a special year for the girls.
ryan mallet era is over, the harvard rifle back at starter for the rest of the season. can't wait to see more of the post game coach blow up pressers.
lions were lucky to win many of the games they were, D has carried them well but unless they get a health magatron and bush on the field it's looking like first round exit at best.
so, how about that denver pick to repeat to the superbowl. a team that is 2-1 against the NFC east and those two wins need end of fourth quarter defensive magic to win. think they need to talk to more people than a score board operator.
if the sanchize can limit his mistakes, iggles may have a decent chance to make it to the championship round. not sure if the team overall is good enough to make it push through to the superbowl though.
think the line to slurp off the rogers trough should slow down abit, will winning they can only manage a 3 pointer against minnesota.
spacejamz
Lifer
I just don't think dem iggles can hang with a team with a good QB. I fear the Cowboys will overtake them in the NFC East. And, after allowing myself to dream, it turns out Sanchez is Sanchez is Sanchez. I didn't think I'd miss Nick Foles all that much. I do now. 🙁
smackababy
Lifer
I don't know if the Cowboys can beat the Eagles. They are doing amazing on special teams and their offense will likely toast the Cowboys, unless Sanchez has another butt fumble. Chip Kelly has also been known for conditioning his teams beyond that of the standard. I think a lot of the Cowboys success is their line can continue their play and wear down the front 4 rushers enough they are near ineffective towards the end of the game. Look what happened at the end of the Giants. They were giving Romo 7+ seconds in the pocket. I don't think that will happen against the Eagles.
Sanchez will make some mistakes, but overall, it might not matter. The Eagles getting good field position, and scoring a good amount of time, from kick / punt returns is helping them a lot.
zinfamous
No Lifer
I'd argue that his dopey brother, the lesser Manning, came into the league at a higher celebrity status than did the greater Manning.
--A very qualified Peyton lost the Heisman to a very qualified Charles Woodsen
--His draft slot was a no-brainer, even prior to his final season.
--A mediocre and middling Eli actually won the Hesiman (he did, right? I seem to recall this), and was more or less propelled to the top draft slot on good success in college, but primarily because of the Manning name.
--His bitching and whining and moaning about the potential of going to SD #1 caused weeks of controversy and "sports news" shenanigans that no one could stop discussing.
Peyton is a guy that just always did his thing and let his performance speak for him. Eli...is a little bitch.
smackababy
Lifer
FTFY
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