*OFFICIAL Week 12 NFL Thread* The stretch run is on!!

[akugami]

From a pure football perspective, it makes much sense. You play the better player. RG3 lost his job for a reason.

You play the better player if there was something to be gained. Washington is going nowhere this season. That's guaranteed. Playing McCoy at this point may be better for short term morale but unless they feel McCoy has the ability to be their franchise QB (which is not out of the question), this is not a good reason to sit RG3.

All sitting RG3 does is delay answering the most important question which is do they still think RG3 can be their franchise QB going forward. IMHO, it makes the decision to keep RG3 and pay over $18 million next season or to cut their losses a harder one. RG3 has been publicly reprimanded over his lack of progress. Does he show improvement, and thereby give you hope for the future, over these last few games? That would mean you pay him the $18+ million. Or does he show you more of the same in which case you have to really think long and hard about cutting your losses.

We're talking a player that Washington paid 3 first round picks and a 2nd for. If moving up for RG3 was the wrong move, they paid a king's ransom and set their franchise back 5 years.

Benching him for the rest of the reason just hurts Washington IMO. If they are fully committed to not have RG3 on the roster next year, benching him for the rest of the season tells anyone who might want him to simply not deal and pick him up as an FA. Washington can't even pretend they are going to pick up his 5th year option or attempt any leverage in any kind of trade. I think his last 2 years, if they pick up the 5th, would be like less than $20 million. Teams have paid more for worse QBs (ones with less potential upside to boot). I actually think RG3 would fit in well with the Eagles. He runs the read option exceptionally well, he makes great short, high completion passes, and he has a canon of an arm.

Amazing freak of an athlete but if Jay Gruden is right and RG3 shows no signs of transforming into an NFL QB...no amount of physical prowess is going to help him no matter who the coach is. And I do believe that Chip Kelley wants a QB who can run and someone with RG3's physical skills would match perfectly with what Chip Kelley wants. The question is therefore, can he improve his QB skills such as footwork, throwing, and reading/recognizing defenses. It's great to throw the ball 70 yards but it's better to be to only throw it 50 yards but throw it accurately and know where your open man is.

 

[Phoenix86]

Guys, you are missing another possibility. Bench his ass to put him in his place. It's rarely done with QBs, but not uncommon with other positions.

 

[smackababy]

Somehow my post got split. =(

 

[smackababy]

You play the better player if there was something to be gained. Washington is going nowhere this season. That's guaranteed. Playing McCoy at this point may be better for short term morale but unless they feel McCoy has the ability to be their franchise QB (which is not out of the question), this is not a good reason to sit RG3.

All sitting RG3 does is delay answering the most important question which is do they still think RG3 can be their franchise QB going forward. IMHO, it makes the decision to keep RG3 and pay over $18 million next season or to cut their losses a harder one. RG3 has been publicly reprimanded over his lack of progress. Does he show improvement, and thereby give you hope for the future, over these last few games? That would mean you pay him the $18+ million. Or does he show you more of the same in which case you have to really think long and hard about cutting your losses.

We're talking a player that Washington paid 3 first round picks and a 2nd for. If moving up for RG3 was the wrong move, they paid a king's ransom and set their franchise back 5 years.



Amazing freak of an athlete but if Jay Gruden is right and RG3 shows no signs of transforming into an NFL QB...no amount of physical prowess is going to help him no matter who the coach is. And I do believe that Chip Kelley wants a QB who can run and someone with RG3's physical skills would match perfectly with what Chip Kelley wants. The question is therefore, can he improve his QB skills such as footwork, throwing, and reading/recognizing defenses. It's great to throw the ball 70 yards but it's better to be to only throw it 50 yards but throw it accurately and know where your open man is.

I think Gruden is motivated a lot by wanting to keep his job. Snyder has fired a coach after one year (and it was an 8-8 season, IIRC), so he has reason to worry. The problem with that is, even saving face at this point is worthless if it is more of the same next year.

I can't speak of RG3s worth ethic, as I don't know about it, but he has the tools to be a big threat in the right scheme. Snyder forced some of the read option into the playbook when RG3 started and that has stopped under Gruden almost entirely. It looks like the offense doesn't focus on Griffin's strengths as the previous did. It does highlight his issues, but that doesn't help the team.

RG3 has a lot he can improve, but that is all up to him. I see little reason not to give him a chance when the season is pretty much over.

Guys, you are missing another possibility. Bench his ass to put him in his place. It's rarely done with QBs, but not uncommon with other positions.

If it was to put him in his place, Gruden is a fucking idiot. He already threw him under the bus publicly for a small mistake. RG3 wasn't trying to say his bad performance was due to his teammates, just that it didn't help any of them. They weren't play well, all of them.

 

[Centauri]

I see RGIII going to... Tampa. I'm tempted to say the Jets, but I still think Geno is serviceable and there seems to be some agreement in management about that.

 

[smackababy]

I see RGIII going to... Tampa. I'm tempted to say the Jets, but I still think Geno is serviceable and there seems to be some agreement in management about that.

I don't think the management will be in New York next year. Rex Ryan is getting fired.

There are plenty of teams that would look at RG3 for the right price, and letting him to into FA is Washington basically throwing away everything. Them attempting to trade him would work out in their favor, at least a little.

I still think he would be great in Philly, under Chip Kelly. Even as a backup, he would get first team reps in practice during the week and be able to develop with an offense that really fits his strengths. Sadly, for RG3, unless Sanchez has another butt fumble or Foles dies in a car crash, Philly doesn't need a back up.

 

[Imported]

You play the better player if there was something to be gained. Washington is going nowhere this season. That's guaranteed. Playing McCoy at this point may be better for short term morale but unless they feel McCoy has the ability to be their franchise QB (which is not out of the question), this is not a good reason to sit RG3.

All sitting RG3 does is delay answering the most important question which is do they still think RG3 can be their franchise QB going forward. IMHO, it makes the decision to keep RG3 and pay over $18 million next season or to cut their losses a harder one. RG3 has been publicly reprimanded over his lack of progress. Does he show improvement, and thereby give you hope for the future, over these last few games? That would mean you pay him the $18+ million. Or does he show you more of the same in which case you have to really think long and hard about cutting your losses.

We're talking a player that Washington paid 3 first round picks and a 2nd for. If moving up for RG3 was the wrong move, they paid a king's ransom and set their franchise back 5 years.



Amazing freak of an athlete but if Jay Gruden is right and RG3 shows no signs of transforming into an NFL QB...no amount of physical prowess is going to help him no matter who the coach is. And I do believe that Chip Kelley wants a QB who can run and someone with RG3's physical skills would match perfectly with what Chip Kelley wants. The question is therefore, can he improve his QB skills such as footwork, throwing, and reading/recognizing defenses. It's great to throw the ball 70 yards but it's better to be to only throw it 50 yards but throw it accurately and know where your open man is.

Or maybe they want to see if Colt can be serviceable for the next year while they groom another QB? I think they already have their answer on RG3 and are moving on. Unless Snyder cans Gruden, then anything is an option.

 

[Perknose]

Just got done watching the Eagles game on DVR. I'd already seen the first hour live. Sweet goodness on both sides of the ball all game long. Happy Thanksgiving to me.