SarcasticDwarf
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there have been reports of residential and non govt buildings being boobytrapped as well. there is no doubt Saddam would blow up a daycare to get world favor in his court....
the number of civilians deaths will never surpass those that died during 12 years of sanctions, or at the hands of Saddam ordered atrocities.
If 1,000 are killed to ensure the safety for the other 27,000,000 I say it is far worth the loss of life, even 10,000 would be acceptable in my book.
the number of civilians deaths will never surpass those that died during 12 years of sanctions, or at the hands of Saddam ordered atrocities.
If 1,000 are killed to ensure the safety for the other 27,000,000 I say it is far worth the loss of life, even 10,000 would be acceptable in my book.
Sorry if I jumped the gun - but it seemed like your comments were directed at me (since I was quoted). Like I was the one saying "don't bomb!"
Andy
Bald dude on MSNBC yesterday. If you need to verify it dig into google, I'm sure it's accurate. One of them was 1:13, I think Vietnam. Or Korea.
SarcasticDwarf
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SUBSTANTIAL reinforcements moving into the ranks of the 3rd-7th to assist with the column...
Air strikes were called in and are on the way, hopefully we will get to see some of that take place...
Air strikes were called in and are on the way, hopefully we will get to see some of that take place...
Without posting too off topic and for too long (if this gets responses I'll take them in the other war thread). Taking your numbers.
27,000,000 to 10,000
is roughly
280,000,000 to 100,000
Are you saying that if it came to it this war is worth 100,000 allied deaths? Does the risk of attack really balance that figure? I would have thought such casualties too great.
Andy
Exactly. It is pathetic that some people on this forum, because they have gone so far out on a limb with a hard anti-war position, are now completely unwilling to admit that they may have been at least partially mistaken, and thus refuse to be genuinely happy for any of the Iraqi people. Rather than "suffer" an apparently bruised ego by adjusting their stance on the war, instead they try to ignore *anything* good coming out of this war by writing it off as lies and propaganda, blah blah blah.
It must be pretty miserable going through life with such a miserly, selfish disposition.
280,000,000 people dont live under his rule, we are already free. The point is 1,000, even 10,000 Iraq lives lost is a very small % of the population and FAR less than their ruler has killed himself, directly or indirectly. At the rate they occured due to sanctions alone had he been given even 90 more days MORE would have died than in this war, and he would still be in power.
The guranteed safety of 27,000,000 outweigth the personal liberty of the individual(s)...
I am suggesting the possibility that with enough time, who knows how long or soon it might have been, Saddam could have supplied or deliveered a bio weapon capable of creating a GLOBAL catastrophe, super bugs don't respect differing political views or imaginary borders.
The guranteed safety of 27,000,000 outweigth the personal liberty of the individual(s)...
I am suggesting the possibility that with enough time, who knows how long or soon it might have been, Saddam could have supplied or deliveered a bio weapon capable of creating a GLOBAL catastrophe, super bugs don't respect differing political views or imaginary borders.
Anyone think MOAB will be employed to neutralize that convoy?
red cross report being given preliminary indications they "might" be able to see American and British POW's.
red cross report being given preliminary indications they "might" be able to see American and British POW's.
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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But what I'm saying is that don't see a problem with sacrificing 10,000 (the same % of the overall population as 100,000 is of the US) in the name of their liberty. I wouldn't have thought that the "hearts and minds" battle could be one with such high numbers - especially when this is a new kind of "pre-emptive" war, one which many may not like or understand regardless.
Anyway - if you want to talk about this, I think we should do it in the other forum before someone accuses me of cr*pping in this thread again.
Andy
Thankfully Hitler never developed a super bio weapon, there are diseases that affect only certain races, wouldn't be so hard to use that as the vehicle to wipe out exactly only who you wanted, and pretty chiling to think about...
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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Since Iraqi is using the red cresent as a cover for thier military, how about we dress up a couple Delta Force guys as red cross and get our POWs outta there...
So its worth 1/4 million allied dead to do this? We can continue this in the other war thread if you like - as I'm going to get bashed for posting off topic otherwise.
Cheers,
Andy
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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Look, if iraq can kill 250,000 of our troops, then we'll have other things to worry about... All I'm saying is what the other guy said, as a percentage of the population I think thousands (or even tens of thousands) of civilian deaths are acceptable to free the other 26,990,000 iraqi people. And 99% of these civilian deaths will be Saddam's fault anyway, not ours....
Could you show me your maths in the other war thread please? I still think 15,000 allied dead is big.
Cheers,
Andy
I would suggest the Iraqi people would not view this as pre-emptive, but they have been living under his tyranny for decades now. If Saddam did not have this horrible history of genocide the loss of civilian life would be magnified, as it is the general feeling is he is a far greater danger to their liberty and life than our military.
If we lost 1/4 million troops, almost all we have htere BTW, it would be due to a widespread use of WMD, at that point the American public would justify, rightfully so, to use whatever force they felt necessary.
If such an event were to happen the only people left in Baghdad would be those equipped with protective gear or in bunkers, military or govt officials, all military targets, there would be no civilians left to kill thanks to Saddam, and we would pull the trigger on the big one after pulling any personal left in the area.
Willing to bet it will be shown Saddam's forces killed more of their own civilians than we will.
If we lost 1/4 million troops, almost all we have htere BTW, it would be due to a widespread use of WMD, at that point the American public would justify, rightfully so, to use whatever force they felt necessary.
If such an event were to happen the only people left in Baghdad would be those equipped with protective gear or in bunkers, military or govt officials, all military targets, there would be no civilians left to kill thanks to Saddam, and we would pull the trigger on the big one after pulling any personal left in the area.
Willing to bet it will be shown Saddam's forces killed more of their own civilians than we will.
SP33Demon
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I think what he's saying is that 15,000 Americans would be dead by now, given the current Iraqi casualties and applying the WWII ratio to our troops. Which is obviously not the case, and it's NOT an extrapolation of the total number of Americans that will be killed (which is what I think you're implying).
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