***OFFICIAL*** UEFA Euro 2004 thread

[biostud]

Both France and England is going to win, other would be wacked..........

Tomorrow is were the excitement is

 

[joohang]

Frei banned for 15 days:
http://www.euro2004.com/News/Kind=1/newsId=197675.html

 

[Achtung]

It would be hilarious to see Switzerland beat France, but damned unlikely at this point.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: joohang

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: joohang
Time to assess Group B now:

The group is wide-open and any country could advance or be knocked out.

1) France vs. Switzerland

If France wins: France advances and Switzerland is out regardless of the outcome of the other match.

If France and Switzerland tie: France advances and Switzerland is out regardless of the outcome of the other match.

If Switzerland wins and...
-> if England wins: England and Switzerland advance.
-> if England and Croatia tie: Switzerland and France advance.
-> if Croatia wins: Croatia and Switzerland advance.

2) England vs. Croatia

If England wins: England advances and Croatia is out regardless of the outcome of the other match.

If England and Croatia tie and...
-> if France wins: France and England advance.
-> if France and Switzerland tie: France and England advance.
-> if Switzerland wins: Switzerland and France advance.

If Croatia wins and...
-> if France wins: France and Croatia advance.
-> if France and Switzerland tie: France and Croatia advance.
-> if Switzerland wins: Croatia and Switzerland advance.

It's awfully complicated so I hope I got them right.

So here is the summary of the current situation for each country:
France: Win or draw is enough. If not, hope that England and Croatia draw.
England: Win guarantees advancement. Or draw and hope that France wins or draws.
Croatia: Must win.
Switzerland: Must win.

After playing with these, Switzerland is not so much in bad shape as I first thought. At first, I thought that they need to gamble a specific outcome from the England vs. Croatia match, but they will actually advance regardless of the other outcome. However, they must get ALL 3 POINTS from the defending champs.

England only need a draw to be guaranteed of going through due to the complications of the scoring situation as we have conceded less goals than France while scoring the same amount. If Switzerland beat France and we draw then it will be Switzerland and England who go through.

Mnementh

Ok, now this is weird.

The logic I used was that France beat England, so in case there is a tie situation, France should be placed above England regardless of the goal difference.

Is this not the case in Euro?

It goes Goal Difference, Goals Scored, Goals against, Results against each other and if everything is still tied after that then it goes with the result against the bottom team then if everything is still tied it goes on Yellow and Red cards

Phew... Confused? You will be...

Mnementh

 

[Achtung]

No, this year head-to-head is the first tiebraker, followed by goal difference and goals scored.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Achtung
No, this year head-to-head is the first tiebraker, followed by goal difference and goals scored.

That is how it was in the Champions League.

Bastards and FIFA and UEFA have nothing else to do with their fat salary so they always screw around with the rules.

BTW, no more golden goals. No more silver goals after this season. So what is next?

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Achtung
It would be hilarious to see Switzerland beat France, but damned unlikely at this point.

France is excellent at giving a very good beating to underdogs.

Switzerland will be forced to play very defensively or else Henry will walk all over their penalty box.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Achtung
No, this year head-to-head is the first tiebraker, followed by goal difference and goals scored.

Wrong. Head to Head is not the first tiebreaker, the situation is really complicated this year, if France Lose to Switzerland then they are out regardless.

Mnementh

 

[Achtung]

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: Achtung
No, this year head-to-head is the first tiebraker, followed by goal difference and goals scored.

Wrong. Head to Head is not the first tiebreaker, the situation is really complicated this year, if France Lose to Switzerland then they are out regardless.

Mnementh

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2004/3818337.stm

If France lose to Switzerland, they will be on 4 points, and so would the Swiss. But the Swiss would be ahead of France in the table by virtue of head-to-head performance.

 

[ndee]

buh bye France, the Swiss will PWN J00!

 

[joohang]

If England and Croatia draw, Switzerland need to beat France by at least three goals to advance. If England or Croatia win, a victory by any margin will do for the Swiss.

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2004/results/3734011.stm

Now that explains my question.

If England and Croatia draw, and Switzerland beats France, England, Switzerland and France will be level on 4 points.

France should be above England for beating them 2-1. And England should be above Switzerland for beating them 3-0. But Switzerland should also be above France for beating them for whichever score.

This is awfully confusing. I'll just let the BBC guys speak for me.

Should a three way tie unfold with France, England and Switzerland all on four points, England will have a superior goal difference (+2) over France (now +1 but to decrease after projected defeat against Switzerland).

 

[Achtung]

Indeed, if France, England, and the Swiss end up on 4 points each:

France: 3 pts vs others (beat England, lost to Swiss)
England: 3 pts vs others (beat Swiss, lost to France)
Swiss: 3 pts vs others (beat France, lost to England)

So then it would come down to goal differential.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Achtung
Indeed, if France, England, and the Swiss end up on 4 points each:

France: 3 pts vs others (beat England, lost to Swiss)
England: 3 pts vs others (beat Swiss, lost to France)
Swiss: 3 pts vs others (beat France, lost to England)

So then it would come down to goal differential.

Which was the point I was trying to make sorry didn't explain it too well, as I said about it being really complicated this year due to the way the results have gone

 

[aolj]

Go England!!!!

 

[joohang]

They are showing England vs. Croatia live, followed by France vs. Switzerland delayed.

Which means I don't want spoilers, and that means I will see you guys 5 hours later.

Enjoy!

 

[brigden]

Nice first goal by Croatia. England defence broke down.

England controlling pace of the game. Scholes had a nice opportunity.

 

[Achtung]

Ooh, England playing from behind. Will be interesting to see if they can pull it off.

 

[Anubis]

joohang teh games on on at the same time here

franc is on fox sports net and england is on PPV

 

[Achtung]

HE SCORES GOALS GALORE!
HE SCORES GOALS!!!

Well, maybe he doesn't score that often for England, but nonetheless Paul Scholes has equalized!

 

[brigden]

Beautiful flick by Scholesy!
Rooney puts away another!

2-1

Come on, England!

 

[aolj]

Yes!! GO Rooney!!!

 

[Achtung]

Hahaha... just need England to win and France to lose, man that would make my day

 

[brigden]

Red white and blue the colours
The whole world in our hands
The time has come to kick it
Can we kick it, yes we can
Sven's army marching forward
Hear three lions roar
We're England forever now
Altogether we're on the ball

We're on the ball
We're on the ball
We're on the ball
We're on the ball
We're on the ball
We're on the ball
We're on the ball
We're on the ball

 

[BCYL]

What's the tiebreaker in Euro 2004? If 2 teams end up with the same amount of points in the standing, do they then go with goal-differential or what?

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: BCYL
What's the tiebreaker in Euro 2004? If 2 teams end up with the same amount of points in the standing, do they then go with goal-differential or what?

The team that won (between the two tied teams) goes forward. If the result was a draw, then goal-differential is taken into account.