**official** Tour de France 2004 Thread

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Mursilis

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Can't wait - should be awesome. I can't remember a Tour in the last ten years with so many legit. contenders. Armstrong, Ullrich, Mayo, Hamilton, Heras - it could be any of them (and I'm probably forgetting some names). Zubeldia, Basso, Simoni, and Leipheimer are also contenders. Too bad the mountain stages are for nearly two weeks.
 

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Yuck. Why is the prologue in Luik this year.
It's the ugliest, most poluted, stinkiest town in this part of the world.
So sad.
 

boyRacer

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*SPOILER*




Armstrong is second... but he put a distance between him and Ullrich in a short time trial... uh oh. :D
 

ABErickson

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New rules introduced this year limit the amount of time the winning team can gain over the squads behind them

I read this in a Tour article online. I wonder if they'll even keep track of the time next year.
 

wkabel23

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Probably the angle, plus these guys don't really want much upper body muscle because it's a waste of weight and your body has to keep it alive (waste of energy)!

I saw Armstrong without his shirt on on OLN channel surfing earlier today...it's safe to say you're wrong.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: bR
*SPOILER*




Armstrong is second... but he put a distance between him and Ullrich in a short time trial... uh oh. :D

Wow and he is not even in the mountains yet

How many seconds behind?
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: wkabel23
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Probably the angle, plus these guys don't really want much upper body muscle because it's a waste of weight and your body has to keep it alive (waste of energy)!

I saw Armstrong without his shirt on on OLN channel surfing earlier today...it's safe to say you're wrong.

That statement might be somewhat true for flat riding... but on steep hills, upper body strength is fairly important. As far as I'm concerned, my arms get a decent workout when I'm sprinting 2 or 3 miles uphill. (the longest ascent I have near me)
 

whoiswes

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: bR
*SPOILER*




Armstrong is second... but he put a distance between him and Ullrich in a short time trial... uh oh. :D

Wow and he is not even in the mountains yet

How many seconds behind?






According to the site, TWO seconds. third place is 9 seconds back. that's a helluva good start...
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: bR
*SPOILER*




Armstrong is second... but he put a distance between him and Ullrich in a short time trial... uh oh. :D

Wow and he is not even in the mountains yet

How many seconds behind?

Ullrich is 15 seconds behind... thats not bad at all considering the small stage... :D
 
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Those new foam-reinforced TT helmets look awful IMO. Not surprisingly (since the Giro engineers, like so many others, fuss over him like a newborn panda at the zoo), Lance's looks the best, but some of them, especially the Euskatel team helmets, look like hell. I'm all for rider safety, but I don't recall a pro cyclist ever sustaining a serious head injury during a TT.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Those new foam-reinforced TT helmets look awful IMO. Not surprisingly (since the Giro engineers, like so many others, fuss over him like a newborn panda at the zoo), Lance's looks the best, but some of them, especially the Euskatel team helmets, look like hell.

Of the Euskatel riders, I only saw Mayo's prologue, and his helmet just looked like a standard road racing helmet. What where the rest of them riding?
And how come Euskatel only has 8 riders starting? Cyclingnews.com kept talking about the '188 riders in the Tour' which didn't make sense if each of the 20 teams was allowed 9 riders (20x9=189, not 188), so I checked out the official start list at www.letour.com, and Euskatel only started 8!! My brother said they've only got 9 on the whole team, and one of them was injured, so they only had 8 guys to start. That can't be right. Anyone heard anything else?
 

ndee

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Ok, in the Prologue, they're using a "closed" wheel on the back. Why don't they use such wheels in general?
 
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Originally posted by: ndee
Ok, in the Prologue, they're using a "closed" wheel on the back. Why don't they use such wheels in general?

Full disc wheels are heavier than spoked wheels, and quite vulnerable to cross winds, which can be treacherous at the kinds of speeds they acheive in descents on mountain stages. They also have a harsher ride than spoked wheels, which is unwelcome on longer stages.
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ndee
Ok, in the Prologue, they're using a "closed" wheel on the back. Why don't they use such wheels in general?

Full disc wheels are heavier than spoked wheels, and quite vulnerable to cross winds, which can be treacherous at the kinds of speeds they acheive in descents on mountain stages. They also have a harsher ride than spoked wheels, which is unwelcome on longer stages.

why do they use them in the prolgue then?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ndee
Ok, in the Prologue, they're using a "closed" wheel on the back. Why don't they use such wheels in general?

Full disc wheels are heavier than spoked wheels, and quite vulnerable to cross winds, which can be treacherous at the kinds of speeds they acheive in descents on mountain stages. They also have a harsher ride than spoked wheels, which is unwelcome on longer stages.

why do they use them in the prolgue then?
Because they're fast as hell in the right conditions. :D
 

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US Postal is looking VERY good today, but I've been impressed with Phonak as well. Let's hope USPS can keep it up. Mayo seems to have dropped a lot back in that crash as well; that could prove difficult for him to come back from.

Rob
 

Fausto

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Man, did you guys see that crash in the final sprint yesterday? Kirsipuu (the a-hole who swerved across all the riders and took out the two that fell) should have been relegated. That was ridiculous.
 

RossMAN

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The news said something about riding over cobblestones is very difficult.

How long is that section of the race (which has cobblestones)?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
The news said something about riding over cobblestones is very difficult.
Yep. Picture riding a road bike with 22mm tires over cobbles about the size/shape of a loaf of bread. They literally beat the crap out of you.

How long is that section of the race (which has cobblestones)?

From cyclingnews.com

Stage 3 - Tuesday July 6: Waterloo - Wasquehal, 210 km

Again, the stage is based on a reasonably flat course. Starting in Belgium, the race will pass through the finishing straight of the Tour of Flanders in Meerbeke, before moving through Geraardsbergen and the famous Muur. The last major town the riders will view in Belgium will be Tournai, before returning to France. The light bikes will be left in the team bus for this stage, with two pave sections totalling 3.5 kilometers giving the Tour a taste of the Paris-Roubaix such an exciting race. Just 25 kilometres from the finish riders will pass through Gruson, and the last pave section, before heading for the 1,400 metre finish straight in Wasquehal.
Doesn't sound like much, I know, but the real action will be before the cobbles. Since the cobbled sections are very narrow and there may be crashes, every team will fight to get their "protected riders" onto the cobbles first so they are less likely to get caught behind a crash and lose time. It's almost like watching the leadout for a big sprint...total mayhem.

Armstrong and others basically just want to stay out of trouble today.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: RossMAN
The news said something about riding over cobblestones is very difficult.
Yep. Picture riding a road bike with 22mm tires over cobbles about the size/shape of a loaf of bread. They literally beat the crap out of you.

How long is that section of the race (which has cobblestones)?

From cyclingnews.com

Stage 3 - Tuesday July 6: Waterloo - Wasquehal, 210 km

Again, the stage is based on a reasonably flat course. Starting in Belgium, the race will pass through the finishing straight of the Tour of Flanders in Meerbeke, before moving through Geraardsbergen and the famous Muur. The last major town the riders will view in Belgium will be Tournai, before returning to France. The light bikes will be left in the team bus for this stage, with two pave sections totalling 3.5 kilometers giving the Tour a taste of the Paris-Roubaix such an exciting race. Just 25 kilometres from the finish riders will pass through Gruson, and the last pave section, before heading for the 1,400 metre finish straight in Wasquehal.
Doesn't sound like much, I know, but the real action will be before the cobbles. Since the cobbled sections are very narrow and there may be crashes, every team will fight to get their "protected riders" onto the cobbles first so they are less likely to get caught behind a crash and lose time. It's almost like watching the leadout for a big sprint...total mayhem.

Armstrong and others basically just want to stay out of trouble today.
Am I a prophet or what? Mayo got fuxored today via a crash on the cobbles; as soon as word got out that he was dropped from the main group, the teams of the remaining contenders put the hammer down and took four minutes out of him. :Q

Good example of how inter-team alliances can occur from time to time. All the teams whose "main guy" was still in the front group realized they'd have one less person to worry about in the mountains if they left Mayo in the dust.
 
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Huh - I will look forward to watching the coverage. I am just catching the tail end of today's "Cyclysm" and they are interviewing Sheryl Crow. :roll:

That's a shame about Mayo - I can't help but feel bad that he was knocked out of serious GC competition by a crash - this is one Tour that clearly favors a pure climber like him, and I could have imagined him as a viable contender, notwithstanding his rather mundane all-Basque team. I guess that's the way it goes . . .
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Huh - I will look forward to watching the coverage. I am just catching the tail end of today's "Cyclysm" and they are interviewing Sheryl Crow. :roll:
Gah...fscking human-interest crap.

Oh well, at least we get a LOT less of that with OLN than we did with the networks.

Adrian Karsten....*aaaachchchch....Pt00ey!!*